TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 It's funny because there have been plenty of people that have been saying for years that the Patriots are cheaters. Not only because of Spygate, but because of their actual play. Anyone that watches a ton of football can tell you that the Patriots win so many games because they do almost everything better than every other team in the league. So much so that it defies logic. It simply didn't make sense for a team(even with Tom Brady) to be that consistently good for so many years in every little category that every other team struggles with. Every single team's passing game struggles in bad weather, except the Patriots. Every other team struggles with turnovers at some point, except the Patriots. Injuries to key players devastate every other team in the league, but not the Patriots. They lose half their starters and don't miss a beat. Lots of little things. Yes, some of that can be attributed to Tom Brady being so good and Bill Bellichick being so smart. But not all of it. People that have been claiming the Patriots must be cheating, even before this deflation crap came out, said so because it's impossible to do what the Patriots do. It transcends having an amazing QB or coach. Who knows how long they were filming opposing coaches' signals during games before they got caught in 2007? people also forget that they got busted for using weird radio signals during that same investigation. The league could never pin the exact reason, but it was most likely to listen to calls opposing teams were making. The official report says the Patriots "were found using several strange radio frequencies that the team could not properly give an excuse for." Who knows how many years they were using slightly under-inflated balls to make it easier for their offense to throw and catch, and making it easier for their ball carriers to not fumble? People saying this deflategate scandal isn't a big deal need to realize just how big an advantage something like that would give you over a period of time. Consider this: The Patriots are the only team in the league that average MORE yards per carry in bad weather games than they do in fair weather games. Here's a breakdown of some of the top passing teams over 2010-2014: And what about fumbles? Surely a huge game-changing event in any game. A deflated ball is much easier for a runner or WR to grip onto and not be stripped of. How have the Patriots' fumble stats stacked up over the past few years compared to the rest of the league? 2014: 2nd least fumbles lost 2013: t5th least fumbles lost 2012: t4th least fumbles lost 2011: t1st least fumbles lost 2010: 1st least fumbles lost 2009: t4th least fumbles lost Am I to believe that every player on the Patriots roster over the past 5 years, even though they've gone through so many different RBs and WRs during that time, just happen to have some of the best hands in the league? No. The chances of that are slim to none. Ex Patriots players have also accused Bellichick of having players listed on the injury list practice during the week(which is illegal). if true it's no wonder his players never seem to come in "cold" after missing games due to injury. They come back and pick up right where they left off. All of these things might seem minor, but when you add them all together, combined with god knows what other rules he's bending or breaking, it adds up to a distinct advantage that explains the Patriots' unexplainable consistent success over the past 15 years. Are the Patriots good? Really good? Yes. Are the Patriots as impossibly good as they've appeared to be over the past decade and a half? NO. And now you know why I hate the Patriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I just posted that no team has been this "good" since before the salary cap and free agency. something just isn't right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Oh, this isn't the Shelly Silver thread? Lemme check over on PPP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 your mind starts to wander. You think of those playoff games where Manning struggled in the elements vs Brady with full command. You think of how they won like 40 straight (meaningful) AFC home games. You think of how they guess correctly at the line like 90% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 After the Indy/Pats game I heard an analyst say that it was like "The Patriots knew exactly where the Colts defenders would be on every play. They somehow guessed the coverage assignments perfectly on basically every play." Nobody is that lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortlandiaEast Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 The patriots have made the NFL boring for the past 10 years. I didnt even hate them after they won two superbowls... the third put them in the realm of the 90's Cowboys for hate, and after that it just made watching boring. Every year the same playoff picture, and the media eating it up made it worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 if its that big a bump why wouldnt they do it in warm weather too? any reason you chose fumbles lost and not just fumbles? After the Indy/Pats game I heard an analyst say that it was like "The Patriots knew exactly where the Colts defenders would be on every play. They somehow guessed the coverage assignments perfectly on basically every play." Nobody is that lucky. that or the analyst was speaking in a bit of hyperbole? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 After the Indy/Pats game I heard an analyst say that it was like "The Patriots knew exactly where the Colts defenders would be on every play. They somehow guessed the coverage assignments perfectly on basically every play." Nobody is that lucky. I recall the Bills defense saying that in the Jets game (in Detroit), it was almost like they were in the Jets' huddle, they were so well-prepared after being snowed-in for a week with nothing to do but watch film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) I recall the Bills defense saying that in the Jets game (in Detroit), it was almost like they were in the Jets' huddle, they were so well-prepared after being snowed-in for a week with nothing to do but watch film. or the JETS had to have a simple vanilla offense because both QB's were horrible. Didn't Vick admit the didn't study up when he was put in for Gino in the first meeting : Edited January 22, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 if its that big a bump why wouldnt they do it in warm weather too? Because balls aren't as hard to catch, throw, or not fumble in nice weather? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 I swear there are more Patriots apologists found on Bills' message boards than Patriots' message boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) We probably only know 10% of what these cheaters did. Yet people still ball wash them. Ironically these same people will rail against Bonds and Sosa for PED use. Edited January 22, 2015 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I swear there are more Patriots *patriots apologists found on Bills' message boards than Patriots' *patriots message boards. (fixed: not capitalization is ever merited for them again, and an asterisks needs to be applied) That's because there aren't enough true *pats fans to have a real message board or community of fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 Very good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Bottom line - they are cheaters & they should not be allowed to play in the Superbowl. They should be stripped of their past Superbowls. Worst part is that the NFL is & has been aware of this & allows it to continue. The NFL is a joke and is no longer a respectable sport, only for entertainment in the same realm of the WWE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) if the one version was true and new replacement balls were brought in then Brady had a much more successful 2nd half with unscuffed properly inflated balls. then little make sense the Colts got their butts whipped. Just suspend Brady and Belicheat for the game Edited January 22, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 The whole argument of "Brady did better in the second half after the balls were switched by the refs" does nothing for either side of the argument. It doesn't suggest that the Patriots weren't deflating balls on purpose for an advantage and it doesn't mean that Tom Brady would do better with a fully inflated ball every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 The whole argument of "Brady did better in the second half after the balls were switched by the refs" does nothing for either side of the argument. It doesn't suggest that the Patriots weren't deflating balls on purpose for an advantage and it doesn't mean that Tom Brady would do better with a fully inflated ball every time. Another analogy: Patriots video tape opponents walk thru, but opponent never uses those plays and Pats win anyway. The Pats still cheated even if it didn't directly help them win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 The whole argument of "Brady did better in the second half after the balls were switched by the refs" does nothing for either side of the argument. It doesn't suggest that the Patriots weren't deflating balls on purpose for an advantage and it doesn't mean that Tom Brady would do better with a fully inflated ball every time. as I said then little make sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 ^I don't think you understand what I'm saying. You're taking the results of a single game to suggest that Tom Brady would never do better with a deflated ball. Another analogy: Patriots video tape opponents walk thru, but opponent never uses those plays and Pats win anyway. The Pats still cheated even if it didn't directly help them win. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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