Deranged Rhino Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Brady played the entire first half. And looked poor. Is that what constitutes "barely?" I barely ate a birthday cake this afternoon. Happy birthday! (Unless you stole the cake from a kid, which I wouldn't put past you) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) Other posters have already stated the multitude of reasons why they suck -- but if you disagree I challenge you to listen to any other market -- literally any other market -- and compare. The on air talent at WGR are the bottom of the barrel in terms of entertainment, knowledge of the sports they're covering (seriously, some don't even know the rosters of the local teams let alone the larger league issues), and almost every one has a terrible personality on air and a worse voice. They're GARBAGE -- unlike the win today which was not garbage no matter what you think. 9-7 is a major difference than 8-8 -- especially when it came in a place they haven't won in 11 years. To think otherwise is to hate just to hate. It's not novel, nor is it illuminating -- both of which a talk radio host should be every day. You're crazy. There are no garbage wins in the NFL, especially not against the *pats on the road with two of our best defenders on the shelf and a pop warner offense at the helm. Criticize elements of the win, sure, but to write it off as garbage shows your own bias and lack of awareness. It does not surprise me that the idiots on the post game felt like you do -- it's what makes them terrible on air talents. I did not intend to start an argument on this thread so if it looks like I did, I apologize. Let's agree on a bunch of things: I wanted to win today. Very badly actually, as I had money at stake. I am really glad they won and I agree that 9-7 is a big step forward. I already said the defense played fantastic today- I don't care who it was up against. Orton looked great for most of the first half. Great. All I said (or I guess meant to say) was that their offense did not inspire me in the second half and it felt like kind of an empty win. Punting on that 4th and 1 was absolutely inexcusable and I'm sure Schopp would agree with me on that. You got Jacksonville throwing laterals to receivers who are throwing touchdowns and meanwhile we run up the gut on 3rd and 1 and then punt with a chance to go for the jugular. Both of us playing meaningless games. Does anyone here feel any better about Marrone or Orton after this win than they did before it? I don't. EDIT: Also in my original post that you quoted, I said that I like Schopp and Bulldog better than the afternoon drive guys where I live, which is twice the market size of Buffalo. Al and D-Mac in Denver. Complete and utter jabronis. Edited December 29, 2014 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I did not intend to start an argument on this thread so if it looks like I did, I apologize. Let's agree on a bunch of things: I wanted to win today. Very badly actually, as I had money at stake. I am really glad they won and I agree that 9-7 is a big step forward. I already said the defense played fantastic today- I don't care who it was up against. Orton looked great for most of the first half. Great. All I said (or I guess meant to say) was that their offense did not inspire me in the second half and it felt like kind of an empty win. Punting on that 4th and 1 was absolutely inexcusable and I'm sure Schopp would agree with me on that. You got Jacksonville throwing laterals to receivers who are throwing touchdowns and meanwhile we run up the gut on 3rd and 1 and then punt with a chance to go for the jugular. Both of us playing meaningless games. Does anyone here feel any better about Marrone or Orton after this win than they did before it? I don't. I could not watch the game closely since I was working. Are you referring to 4th and 1 in the fourth while they had an 8 point lead? If yes then get over it. I just saw Harbaugh punt from the AZ 39 yard line with a 3 point lead. The truth is all coaches play the field position game. To say Marrone should be fired for that is just nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) I could not watch the game closely since I was working. Are you referring to 4th and 1 in the fourth while they had an 8 point lead? If yes then get over it. I just saw Harbaugh punt from the AZ 39 yard line with a 3 point lead. The truth is all coaches play the field position game. To say Marrone should be fired for that is just nuts. Uhh I never said nor do I think Marrone should be fired. If you disagree with me about him needing to be a little more aggressive with his play calling next year then let's just agree to disagree. Geez this place became the Doug Marrone fan club all of a sudden. EDIT: Ya know what? No. All coaches do not punt in that situation. Of course all coaches play the field position game but that was pathetic. If they were planning on punting then throw on 3rd down. The game didn't count, you realize this, right? If it was a playoff game perhaps I would have gone along with it. Hopefully we get a real QB in next year who would laugh at Marrone for calling the run up the gut on 3rd when you know you're punting on 4th and audible the play at the line. My God, is this not still the same board of people who chastised the now infamous slide by Orton a few weeks back?? What happened to you people? I suppose if they would've won that game, people would've been defending the slide too. Edited December 29, 2014 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedy G Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Schopp Got to go, but l can live with the bulldog. Was thinkin the same. Love Sal! He's the best! But he works the sideline during the games....don't think he'd give that up....I wouldn't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Uhh I never said nor do I think Marrone should be fired. If you disagree with me about him needing to be a little more aggressive with his play calling next year then let's just agree to disagree. Geez this place became the Doug Marrone fan club all of a sudden. EDIT: Ya know what? No. All coaches do not punt in that situation. Of course all coaches play the field position game but that was pathetic. If they were planning on punting then throw on 3rd down. The game didn't count, you realize this, right? If it was a playoff game perhaps I would have gone along with it. Hopefully we get a real QB in next year who would laugh at Marrone for calling the run up the gut on 3rd when you know you're punting on 4th and audible the play at the line. My God, is this not still the same board of people who chastised the now infamous slide by Orton a few weeks back?? What happened to you people? I suppose if they would've won that game, people would've been defending the slide too. Winning 9 games earns fans, I guess. I don't think Marrone is as conservative as you think. There is a difference between conservative and knowing you don't have the players. With this O-line going for it on 4th and 1 is foolhardy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) Jacksonville Tennessee Washington St Louis and Philly is who Beckham has played in his last 5 games. How nice. Sammy has played pretty much every top pass D in the league....Revis twice and the Dolphins (very good pass D) also twice... With garbage QB play. Beckham is great. He's going to be. Pretty confident that Sammy is too. It's a nice luxury that one of them has a 2 time super bowl QB throwing him the ball in a dam good offense run by an actual NFL OC. Cleveland can have and blow the 20th pick. It's like you're formulating an argument against a team that traded up for Beckham, thinking that he is the only great WR in the draft. Unfortunately here on planet earth, team with known commodity of crap at QB did that for Sammy. So ya know, quibbling about schedules is incredibly weak. Edited December 29, 2014 by BuffOrange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) Winning 9 games earns fans, I guess. I don't think Marrone is as conservative as you think. There is a difference between conservative and knowing you don't have the players. With this O-line going for it on 4th and 1 is foolhardy. I don't know how you could be any more conservative than Doug Marrone has been this season. I really, honestly don't. Again, I think 9 wins certainly earns him another season but when did he make any decision involving the clock or a play he called that you could use the word "innovative" to describe? Which is what Whaley and Marrone promised us? Which Schopp likes to point out frequently and I agree with him. You see, they have a better than 50% chance of getting one yard on two plays. You get that one yard, game essentially over. Instead you make a decision that gives them a 100% chance of getting the ball back- all for trading 20 yards of field position. Within two plays, they're right back to where the Bills punted from! And the offensive line played pretty good today fwiw. I am not "go for it on your own 30 on 4th down because analytics and number crunchers say so" guy. In this situation, we're talking pure common sense. Edited December 29, 2014 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Winning 9 games earns fans, I guess. I don't think Marrone is as conservative as you think. There is a difference between conservative and knowing you don't have the players. With this O-line going for it on 4th and 1 is foolhardy. That's the thing about Schoop. He wants to turn football into a card game. He never considers that different teams have different abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 After hearing Schopp say he wishes the Bills would have been annihilated today, I can't take that guy seriously anymore. How can any hometown sports announcer wish that their team gets beaten badly? The guy is an embarrassment to radio and to Bills fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 After hearing Schopp say he wishes the Bills would have been annihilated today, I can't take that guy seriously anymore. How can any hometown sports announcer wish that their team gets beaten badly? The guy is an embarrassment to radio and to Bills fans. I didn't know he said that. What was his reasoning? Is there a context involved here? God I hate these anti-violence commercials where the actors can't compose themselves. What do they do with the actor who comes in to speak about violence and is relatively composed? It's so insultingly contrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I didn't know he said that. What was his reasoning? Is there a context involved here? God I hate these anti-violence commercials where the actors can't compose themselves. What do they do with the actor who comes in to speak about violence and is relatively composed? It's so insultingly contrived. Schopp was comparing the Bills win today as a preseason game, meaning it was meaningless, then went on to say he wished the Bills would have been annihilated today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I don't know how you could be any more conservative than Doug Marrone has been this season. I really, honestly don't. Again, I think 9 wins certainly earns him another season but when did he make any decision involving the clock or a play he called that you could use the word "innovative" to describe? Which is what Whaley and Marrone promised us? Which Schopp likes to point out frequently and I agree with him. You see, they have a better than 50% chance of getting one yard on two plays. You get that one yard, game essentially over. Instead you make a decision that gives them a 100% chance of getting the ball back- all for trading 20 yards of field position. Within two plays, they're right back to where the Bills punted from! And the offensive line played pretty good today fwiw. I am not "go for it on your own 30 on 4th down because analytics and number crunchers say so" guy. In this situation, we're talking pure common sense. The answer to all your questions is: we didn't have the players Marrone felt could pull off innovative and aggressive. For whatever reason, probably because Cujo and Richardson did not play up to their draft pick, our O-line sucked. It's hard to do much when the opposing defense is in your backfield like going through a turnstile. So when you have no offense, but a great defense, why wouldn't you play conservative? That's common sense. To play aggressive with that major flaw is inviting disaster. Schopp was comparing the Bills win today as a preseason game, meaning it was meaningless, then went on to say he wished the Bills would have been annihilated today. Then the game would mean something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I don't know how you could be any more conservative than Doug Marrone has been this season. I really, honestly don't. Again, I think 9 wins certainly earns him another season but when did he make any decision involving the clock or a play he called that you could use the word "innovative" to describe? Which is what Whaley and Marrone promised us? Which Schopp likes to point out frequently and I agree with him. You see, they have a better than 50% chance of getting one yard on two plays. You get that one yard, game essentially over. Instead you make a decision that gives them a 100% chance of getting the ball back- all for trading 20 yards of field position. Within two plays, they're right back to where the Bills punted from! And the offensive line played pretty good today fwiw. I am not "go for it on your own 30 on 4th down because analytics and number crunchers say so" guy. In this situation, we're talking pure common sense. We have a 50% chance of getting 1 yard? What O-line have you been watching? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 The answer to all your questions is: we didn't have the players Marrone felt could pull off innovative and aggressive. For whatever reason, probably because Cujo and Richardson did not play up to their draft pick, our O-line sucked. It's hard to do much when the opposing defense is in your backfield like going through a turnstile. So when you have no offense, but a great defense, why wouldn't you play conservative? That's common sense. To play aggressive with that major flaw is inviting disaster. Then the game would mean something You don't think that Doug Marrone is that conservative. I don't think the offensive line was that bad today. That is the crux of our disagreement. I still like you though. I know you are a respected and old school poster. Oh what do you know, the Bengals just went for it on 4th and 1 on the 41. And they got it. We have a 50% chance of getting 1 yard? What O-line have you been watching? Well they average more than one yard per play. Tell ya what, look up the numbers for NFL teams in 2014 on 1 yard to go situations and tell me what the percentages are. I'm sure they're well over 60%. Maybe 70. I know 2 point conversions are around 49 or so. And again, the o-line played fine today. And if you are punting on 4th if you don't get it on 3rd, then why did they run up the middle on 3rd? Somebody please tell me this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 You don't think that Doug Marrone is that conservative. I don't think the offensive line was that bad today. That is the crux of our disagreement. I still like you though. I know you are a respected and old school poster. Oh what do you know, the Bengals just went for it on 4th and 1 on the 41. And they got it. Well they average more than one yard per play. Tell ya what, look up the numbers for NFL teams in 2014 on 1 yard to go situations and tell me what the percentages are. I'm sure they're well over 60%. Maybe 70. I know 2 point conversions are around 49 or so. And again, the o-line played fine today. And if you are punting on 4th if you don't get it on 3rd, then why did they run up the middle on 3rd? Somebody please tell me this. Why don't you look at the Bills pct. On short yardage plays. It ain't 50/50. It probably ain't 25/75. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 You don't think that Doug Marrone is that conservative. I don't think the offensive line was that bad today. That is the crux of our disagreement. I still like you though. I know you are a respected and old school poster. Oh what do you know, the Bengals just went for it on 4th and 1 on the 41. And they got it. Well they average more than one yard per play. Tell ya what, look up the numbers for NFL teams in 2014 on 1 yard to go situations and tell me what the percentages are. I'm sure they're well over 60%. Maybe 70. I know 2 point conversions are around 49 or so. And again, the o-line played fine today. And if you are punting on 4th if you don't get it on 3rd, then why did they run up the middle on 3rd? Somebody please tell me this. Are the Bills "NFL teams" or are they the Bills? Lots of teams play field position. Lots of teams play conservative. Boiling down the numbers as proof when game situations are completely different is dumb. If our defense is allowing 0 yards, and our O has mustered 3 points, why wouldn't you punt? Why don't you look up the Bills numbers for 4th down conversions. Better yet, show me how many games we lost and didn't go for it on 4th vs the games we punted and won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormin Norman Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 My wife rarely, if ever, listens to sports radio. Today, she heard Schopp as we were running errands after the game. She was appalled. "Who is that arrogant idiot talking like that to people?" she asked me. "How does he even have a job?" That's what tops my long list of problems with this prick. I can't even say it's his point of view, most of the time. Listen folks, the Bills have led the league in futility for FIFTEEN STRAIGHT YEARS! How can (or why should they?) announcers put a smiley face on a meaningless win after a decade and a half of such a pathetic streak? Do we win this game if the Patriots were playing for home field advantage throughout the playoffs? Come on. I enjoy the wins like anyone else, but I have context, too. Can't wait for the 16th Russ Brandon hocus pocus marketing machine to fire up again at draft time, 1st round pick or not. Accuse me of being negative, that's fine. Fifteen years of mediocre (at best) is a low standard for happiness. Schopp is: Arrogant, impatient, condescending, eager to ridicule, abrupt, flippant, and rude. He thinks his obvious intent to spark controversy with callers appeals to listeners when instead he comes off like a smart ass and a prick. Then when a caller has the audacity to challenge Schopp's superior opinion on any given matter, the caller is summarily cut off and belittled as if the caller's position is an outrage or beneath a response from the Chosen One. (Clinically, this is called narcissism). Again, I can't even get to his opinion because his demeanor and disrespect cannot be overcome by his questionable sports knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Why don't you look at the Bills pct. On short yardage plays. It ain't 50/50. It probably ain't 25/75. If you really think the Bills have converted at less than a 25% clip on one yard to go situations in 2014, I think it's best we just call it a night. They converted at 36% of all 3rd downs all season- which includes all 3rd downs, 3rd and long, etc. I am sorry my friend but you are misinformed on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) Still miss "The Coach" Chuck Dickerson. Was great to listen to him break down plays. O line plays, schemes, stuff like that. Would take calls and yell at the stupid callers, agree with the smart callers. And criticize the organization relentlesly. That guy was great. Bulldog replaced him, i think, then Scoop came along right after that. Ah, the old days... He would actually talk about football, instead of how he had to hold his wifes purse while she tried on dresses at the mall like those two Edited December 29, 2014 by mastershake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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