bobobonators Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 There have been a lot of posts basically indicating that they are interchangeable. They are not. KB is a nice player (Alshon Jeffrey), Watkins is a star. It is in no way a knock on Benjamin it is a salute to Sammy. I agree. SageAgainsttheMachine said that Benjamin's upside is Vincent Jackson whereas Sammy's upside is Fitzgerald and I think that's a great way to look at this - one will be elite and one will be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Benjamin's upside is Vincent Jackson. Sammy's is Larry Fitzgerald or higher. I think all 32 teams would take Sammy over Benjamin. Let that soak in, Bills fans...and smile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 @AdamBenigni Early results from #Bills Watkins, but is he worth the price? Takes from @viccarucci @JoeBuscaglia @wgrz http://www.wgrz.com/...06109/ … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Mayock's Slant: Sammy Watkins rookie report (2:36) Mike Mayock breaks down Buffalo Bills wide receiver Sammy Watkins' performance so far this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share Posted October 31, 2014 Keenan Lewis shuts down Kelvin Benjamin limiting Benjamin to a career low two catches for 18 yards. http://profootballta...elvin-benjamin/ I love when analysts use "career high/low" with rookies or second year players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share Posted October 31, 2014 @AdamBenigni Early results from #Bills Watkins, but is he worth the price? Takes from @viccarucci @JoeBuscaglia @wgrz http://www.wgrz.com/...06109/ … That Video really bugged me for some reason, I hate that sound bite nonsense. This was my response in the comments: Vic, Really? Not you? It is easy to mouth off and say "The Bills mortgaged their future." Lets do some actual analysis of the situation: If the Bills had stood pat they are on record as saying that Eric Ebron would be the pick at #9 overall. Sammy Watkins’ TD catch (including pass defense) in the Vikings, big catch in the Lions, and overall dominance against the Jests secondary is a major contributing factor in those wins. Without Sammy the Bills don't get those wins. Lets just suppose with Stevie instead of Sammy they win 1 of the above 3 and keep the other wins. That means the Bills would be 3-5 without Sammy and essentially no chance at the playoffs. Instead One Bills Drive traded a 2015 1st round pick to the Browns for a chance at the playoffs in 2014. Not to mention that a 6-10 (the Sammy-less 2014 Bills’ record) team picks about #9, but a 8-8 team picks about #15 (8-8 is likely the minimum 2014 Sammy-ful Bills' record at this point in time.) So One Bills drive realistic options were, in hindsight: A.) Eric Ebron #9 overall and earn and keep a 2015 #9 overall pick. B.) Sammy Watkins, and earn a #15-32 2015 pick that you ship to the Browns (plus a 4th) If you really think option A.) is the best option for the Bills, I'd really question your perspective. Choosing Eric (obvious bust) Ebron and keeping your 2015 1st is a losing option. Worrying about what QBs are available in 2015 draft is how GMs lose their jobs and get fired and how you end up with 14 years of missing the playoffs. Taking Option B.) Sammy Watkins is a chance to win now. That is really the only option a GM should ever take. While we are talking about the 2015 QBs. Mariotta or Winston are both not slam dunk QB prospects. More importantly neither will be available when a 6-10 team picks. The Bills defense is too good this year to completely lose out to the point of 1-15 or 2-14 to get a top 3 pick and a chance at either QB. So that 2015 1st was never going to be in the range to take those top QB prospects. A Sammy-less 2015 1st round pick would have been where the Bills always pick in the Good but not Great range of prospects, about #9 overall. Also lets look at the remainder of the schedule. A win @Dolphins, Jests, Browns, and @Oakland will give the Bills their first winning record in a decade. I'm chalking up @Broncos and @Patriots as a loss. If the Bills can win the above and steal wins at home against the Packers and/or the Chiefs. The Bills actually have a shot at he playoffs in 2014. That is what Sammy gives the Bills and that is the only option One Bills Drive should be making, a chance to win now and make the playoffs. All of that doesn’t even take into consideration the rest of Sammy’s career which is trending to be the next All-NFL WR. (The above is actual analysis and not shooting off at the mouth incase you forgot what that looks like.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 it's impossible to predict if anyone will "hit" (get right) on any current or future draft pick. in order to justify the two first round picks, Sammy must become a pro bowler. so far, so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 @ why so serious -- thanks for writing that. I listened to that piece and was also disappointed in the takes of Carucci and Buscaglia. Theirs is an old school mentality of "not giving away draft picks" -- remember Buddy Nix -- and your analysis is well thought out. The Bills finally made a move in an effort to win now. I hope the Browns enjoy their 1st round pick that is likely to be 15 or higher next year. What do we think Browns fans would say if asked whether they wish they had Sammy Watkins on the roster and only one first rounder next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) @ why so serious -- thanks for writing that. I listened to that piece and was also disappointed in the takes of Carucci and Buscaglia. Theirs is an old school mentality of "not giving away draft picks" -- remember Buddy Nix -- and your analysis is well thought out. The Bills finally made a move in an effort to win now. I hope the Browns enjoy their 1st round pick that is likely to be 15 or higher next year. What do we think Browns fans would say if asked whether they wish they had Sammy Watkins on the roster and only one first rounder next year? Thanks but flattery will not help you in the Survivor Pool. (you need to make your pick) I will survive! Edited October 31, 2014 by Why So Serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) @ why so serious -- thanks for writing that. I listened to that piece and was also disappointed in the takes of Carucci and Buscaglia. Theirs is an old school mentality of "not giving away draft picks" -- remember Buddy Nix -- and your analysis is well thought out. The Bills finally made a move in an effort to win now. I hope the Browns enjoy their 1st round pick that is likely to be 15 or higher next year. What do we think Browns fans would say if asked whether they wish they had Sammy Watkins on the roster and only one first rounder next year? i already know what they're saying. They hate it more with each passing Sunday. They don't want any more crap 1st rounders like Justin Gilbert and Kiki Mingo. For once they want the sure thing. They think the decision will haunt the franchise. Once Josh Gordon is back and if he can stay clean they will probably feel better. But imagine having both of those guys! Edited October 31, 2014 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Thanks but flattery will not help you in the Survivor Pool. (you need to make your pick) I will survive! Oh, crap, I'm out! Didn't realize the deadline was the Thursday night game. Oh well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorom Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 completley worth the trade up toget him IMO. He is getting better every week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share Posted October 31, 2014 Oh, crap, I'm out! Didn't realize the deadline was the Thursday night game. Oh well... And then there were two . . . (that sucks you still can't make a pick.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 And after Benjamin's latest effort, the 2 rookies are on pace for: KB: 71-1047-9 SW: 76-1180-10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norton20 Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 (edited) What if we kept the picks and took Benjamin (instead of Ebron as posited above)? Edited November 1, 2014 by norton20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted November 1, 2014 Author Share Posted November 1, 2014 What if we kept the picks and took Benjamin (instead of Ebron as posited above)? What if we took Jamis Winston instead of Ebron? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 What if we kept the picks and took Benjamin (instead of Ebron as posited above)? That's not realistic but I will be bold and go on record. I would rather Sammy than Benjamin and a 1st. I think that Benjamin is (and will be) good. I think Sammy will be at the top of the league. If my options are Benjamin and Landon Collins or Watkins, I am taking Watkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 (edited) That's not realistic but I will be bold and go on record. I would rather Sammy than Benjamin and a 1st. I think that Benjamin is (and will be) good. I think Sammy will be at the top of the league. If my options are Benjamin and Landon Collins or Watkins, I am taking Watkins. And I will boldly concur. First round picks are precious, but great players are even more difficult to come by. A bird in the hand... First round picks are a gamble. Sammy was as close to a sure thing as it gets. Just my opinion. Edited November 1, 2014 by Augie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Duck Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 SAMMY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDBUFFCUSEFAN Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 And I will boldly concur. First round picks are precious, but great players are even more difficult to come by. A bird in the hand... First round picks are a gamble. Sammy was as close to a sure thing as it gets. Just my opinion. Agreed, I was on the Sammy train early and have been thoroughly impressed so far but KBenjamin has done well also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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