C.Biscuit97 Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Barring the playoffs of course. This is a desperate move that is not in the best interests of the franchise. First, a quick list of young Qbs' rookie year OCs; Geno smith - Marty Morteweig (former head coach, multiple NFL OC) Andrew Luck - bruce Arians (Multiple NFL OC) Russell Wilson - Darrell Bevel (multiple NFL OC) Colin Kapernick - Roman (multiple NFL OC) Teddy Bridgewater - Norv Turner (one of the best offensive coaches in the NFL) RG3 - Shanahan family (great offensive mind) EJ - Hackett (Syracuse OC who's dad helped he get where he is) So right from the start, EJ was at a seriously disadvantage. Watching how some players regressed last year (Stevie & CJ in particular), are we sure he is good? So there is the lack of a proven NFL OC which would benefit a young qb tremendously. But I think Marrone should go because he is bailing on the qb he helped selected in the 1st round after less than 16 games. He needs to be help accountable for that. I'd have a lot more respect for him if he went down with the EJ ship. But instead, he is taking the "safe" route with a known mediocre at best qb. I'm a Bills fan first and foremost. I'm probably too optimist about this team. It means a lot to me and I let it clog my judgement at times. But I hate this move. Anything less than the playoffs, the Bills should bail on Marrone like he bailed on EJ. P.S. Kevin Sumlin would be at the top of my list. He's developed many average talents and made them superstars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 (edited) Barring the playoffs of course. This is a desperate move that is not in the best interests of the franchise. First, a quick list of young Qbs' rookie year OCs; Geno smith - Marty Morteweig (former head coach, multiple NFL OC) Andrew Luck - bruce Arians (Multiple NFL OC) Russell Wilson - Darrell Bevel (multiple NFL OC) Colin Kapernick - Roman (multiple NFL OC) Teddy Bridgewater - Norv Turner (one of the best offensive coaches in the NFL) RG3 - Shanahan family (great offensive mind) EJ - Hackett (Syracuse OC who's dad helped he get where he is) So right from the start, EJ was at a seriously disadvantage. Watching how some players regressed last year (Stevie & CJ in particular), are we sure he is good? So there is the lack of a proven NFL OC which would benefit a young qb tremendously. But I think Marrone should go because he is bailing on the qb he helped selected in the 1st round after less than 16 games. He needs to be help accountable for that. I'd have a lot more respect for him if he went down with the EJ ship. But instead, he is taking the "safe" route with a known mediocre at best qb. I'm a Bills fan first and foremost. I'm probably too optimist about this team. It means a lot to me and I let it clog my judgement at times. But I hate this move. Anything less than the playoffs, the Bills should bail on Marrone like he bailed on EJ. P.S. Kevin Sumlin would be at the top of my list. He's developed many average talents and made them superstars. Your love for EJ is unbelievable. Fire an HC for benching him after a horrific game? Good god Biscuit, get it together. CJ stinks. SJ13 had 3 good years with Fitz because he was the only NFL WR on the team those years. You may have more respect going 4-12 with EJ, but I have more respect for Marrone being a man, saying EJ isn't playing well enough, and having the stones to make a change, when he knows it's going to be a media firestorm. ALSO Norv Turner stinks. Like really bad. Ruined a Chargers team that had the most talent on both sides of the ball for 3 years. Shanny has sucked ever since he had a QB not named Elway. Morhinweg actively lost the Jets a game by calling a stupid timeout that he actually couldn't even do. Hackett's greatest fault is what? Getting open receivers that the QB can't hit? Edited September 30, 2014 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Flutie Band Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 So if Orton does better with the same OC, then who will you blame EJ's failure on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Because his team is first in the AFC East? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 Your love for EJ is unbelievable. Fire an HC for benching him after a horrific game? Good god Biscuit, get it together. I want him fired for bailing on the guy he selected after less than 16 starts. Why should we ever trust him to draft and develop a qb again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I want him fired for bailing on the guy he selected after less than 16 starts. Why should we ever trust him to draft and develop a qb again? Coaches don't make draft picks. I'm sure he was in favor of EJ but he didn't make the choice. And there were not any better choices. I still would take EJ over Geno and Mike Glennon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 So if Orton does better with the same OC, then who will you blame EJ's failure on? Orton should be further along. He's been in the league 8 years longer. But his track record is not known for lighting up NFL scoreboards. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Coaches don't make draft picks. I'm sure he was in favor of EJ but he didn't make the choice. And there were not any better choices. I still would take EJ over Geno and Mike Glennon. I don't know why you're certain about Glennon, he's clearly above the other two guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 Because his team is first in the AFC East? They were in first with EJ. Did you see the list of proven NFL OCs other Young Qbs had? We gave EJ Hackett Jr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I don't know why you're certain about Glennon, he's clearly above the other two guys. No he's not. He stinks. He's Ryan Mallet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 Coaches don't make draft picks. I'm sure he was in favor of EJ but he didn't make the choice. And there were not any better choices. I still would take EJ over Geno and Mike Glennon. There's no way he wasn't 100% on board with EJ. And if he wasn't, he should have pushed more for other qb options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I want him fired for bailing on the guy he selected after less than 16 starts. Why should we ever trust him to draft and develop a qb again? Would you rather he go down with EJ, or go down swinging? At a certain point you need to make a choice between development and winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 They were in first with EJ. Did you see the list of proven NFL OCs other Young Qbs had? We gave EJ Hackett Jr. Do you see the list of coaches that are fired after leading improving their record in their second season? Let's wait and see what happens this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Would you rather he go down with EJ, or go down swinging? At a certain point you need to make a choice between development and winning. He wants him fired for not plugging his eyes and ears, and refusing to admit he didn't have a good QB yet. Isn't that how Chan got fired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 No he's not. He stinks. He's Ryan Mallet. He doesn't stink, he's an average caliber QB, which is above the other two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 "barring the playoffs of course" LOL This thread is a joke. But hey biscuit, what took you so long to lay this egg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 This is my nomination for the worst thread of 2014. I've had previous nominations, but I'm changing my answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 Would you rather he go down with EJ, or go down swinging? At a certain point you need to make a choice between development and winning. Bailing at 2-2 and tied for first seems way too early for me. What if Orton plays like Orton? When do you go back to EJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 EJ isn't going to be a good QB...he is showing virtually no signs of "getting it". I mean Teddy Bridgewater in his first NFL start looked much better than EJ ever has in any of the games he's played. Threw for 317 yards in under 3 full quarters too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 "barring the playoffs of course" LOL This thread is a joke. But hey biscuit, what took you so long to lay this egg? No more of a joke that you trying to argue every mundane point with people because you're bored. This is my nomination for the worst thread of 2014. I've had previous nominations, but I'm changing my answer. And you're my nomination for worst poster of the year. Congrats! EJ isn't going to be a good QB...he is showing virtually no signs of "getting it". I mean Teddy Bridgewater in his first NFL start looked much better than EJ ever has in any of the games he's played. Threw for 317 yards in under 3 full quarters too... You're a rookie qb. Who would you rather learn under - Nate Hackett or Norv Turner? Really close huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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