metzelaars_lives Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 I think that I'd take Foles over Luck. Foles is a winner while Luck is just very good to excellent. Foles is like Flutie with actual QB ability. Thank you for the first type of response that I was intending to elicit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 I think that I'd take Foles over Luck. Foles is a winner while Luck is just very good to excellent. Foles is like Flutie with actual QB ability. I think if you put Foles on another team, he's nothing special. Philly's offense made Mark Sanchez look good! And Luck might be overrated. He throws a lot of INTs. But he is a damn good QB and can pretty much do everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 I'd probably swap Rivers and Brady right now. I'd also have Cutler ahead of Romo and move Kaepernick back a spot or two. Otherwise it's pretty much how I see it. Man I really did not intend for this to be an EJ thread. With respect to EJ though, my guess is that my take on him is pretty similar to the vast majority of Bills fans: the jury is still out, I am willing to ride it out a while but my gut is that it's not happening. They can't help it. It's become an obsession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 I'd probably swap Rivers and Brady right now. I'd also have Cutler ahead of Romo and move Kaepernick back a spot or two. Otherwise it's pretty much how I see it. They can't help it. It's become an obsession. Rivers should be #2 on the list. That's why I don't get so many people crying about the SD loss. Rivers has been money this year with not a lot of talent. And EJ being ranked under Fitz is shots fired! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 I'm not talking about 2010 and frankly who cares. He posted that Manuel has shown little to nothing and that's just incorrect. I would concur that he has shown very little. Through the first two games this season the consensus was that he looked "good enough." With possible exception of the Carolina game last year, give me one game where you said, "damn EJ looked good today." In 2010 I would say that Fitz looked fantastic at Baltimore and at Cincinnati just off the top of my head. There, that is substantive and substantiated for ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 (edited) mine: 1. Manning 2. Brees 3. Rivers 4. Rodgers 5. Brady 6. Roethlisberger 7. Ryan 8. Foles 9. Wilson 10. Luck 11. Newton 12. Cutler 13. Dalton 14. Cousins 15. Palmer 16. E. Manning 17. Flacco 18. Kaep 19. Palmer 22. Hoyer 23. Stafford 24. Manuel 25. Fitzpatrick 26. Romo 27. Tannehill 28. Geno Smith 29. Who's in Minnesota these days? 30. RGIII Edited September 25, 2014 by jboyst62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 I would concur that he has shown very little. Through the first two games this season the consensus was that he looked "good enough." With possible exception of the Carolina game last year, give me one game where you said, "damn EJ looked good today." In 2010 I would say that Fitz looked fantastic at Baltimore and at Cincinnati just off the top of my head. There, that is substantive and substantiated for ya. Chan Gailey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Little Hackett I'd take Chan as the OC in a second. He did a lot more with a lot less talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 (edited) I would concur that he has shown very little. Through the first two games this season the consensus was that he looked "good enough." With possible exception of the Carolina game last year, give me one game where you said, "damn EJ looked good today." In 2010 I would say that Fitz looked fantastic at Baltimore and at Cincinnati just off the top of my head. There, that is substantive and substantiated for ya. Jax and NYJ Home 2013. This is my last post this thread. Enjoy all! Edited September 25, 2014 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 (edited) mine: 1. Manning 2. Brees 3. Rivers 4. Rodgers 5. Rivers 6. Brady 7. Roethlisberger 8. Ryan 9. Foles 10. Wilson 11. Luck 12. Newton 13. Cutler 14. Dalton 15. Cousins 16. Palmer 17. E. Manning 18. Flacco 19. Kaep 20. Palmer 21. Hoyer 22. Stafford 23. Manuel 24. Fitzpatrick What's your grudge against Matt Stafford? Edited September 25, 2014 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 It's a sad statement when Fitzpatrick is a better option than EJ Manuel. Ouch! It's a sad state of affairs when Fitzpatrick was criticized and deemed not good enough to start for this team yet EJ can't even match his production with far greater talent. Fitz's options were Stevie Johnson, Donald Jones and David Nelson. Compare that to what EJ has to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 mine: 1. Manning 2. Brees 3. Rivers 4. Rodgers 5. Rivers 6. Brady 7. Roethlisberger 8. Ryan 9. Foles 10. Wilson 11. Luck 12. Newton 13. Cutler 14. Dalton 15. Cousins 16. Palmer 17. E. Manning 18. Flacco 19. Kaep 20. Palmer 21. Hoyer 22. Stafford 23. Manuel 24. Fitzpatrick You have Rivers listed twice you !@#$ing !@#$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Thank you for the first type of response that I was intending to elicit. Sorry. I meant EJ sucks, he isn't on that list because he sucks so bad. He sucks worse then the 24 QB's!!!!! Sucks! I think if you put Foles on another team, he's nothing special. Philly's offense made Mark Sanchez look good! And Luck might be overrated. He throws a lot of INTs. But he is a damn good QB and can pretty much do everything. Luck is grading better and better with time. He is learning but I do not think he will get to the Peyton Manning level but he is on the same upward trajectory. He needs more help in coaching. His speed / ability to see the field is just not there. It's not developed or got better. It simply needs to. I'd probably swap Rivers and Brady right now. I'd also have Cutler ahead of Romo and move Kaepernick back a spot or two. Otherwise it's pretty much how I see it. They can't help it. It's become an obsession. Romo has good moments but he's not good. Rivers is the second best QB in the league and up until the first three games of this season I really was looking forward to see him and Luck as the two best QB's in the AFC. But, it's still Peyton. Peyton vs. Rivers in the same division. Wow. Rivers should be #2 on the list. That's why I don't get so many people crying about the SD loss. Rivers has been money this year with not a lot of talent. And EJ being ranked under Fitz is shots fired! Again, I am huge on Rivers. I still think they're going far in the playoffs. Denver/Whales Vagina in the AFC Championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 It's a sad state of affairs when Fitzpatrick was criticized and deemed not good enough to start for this team yet EJ can't even match his production with far greater talent. Fitz's options were Stevie Johnson, Donald Jones and David Nelson. Compare that to what EJ has to work with. We had a much better offensive coach when Fitz was here. Just like at the use of Spiller. Gailey wasn't a good head coach but he is one of the best offensive minds in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 You have Rivers listed twice you !@#$ing !@#$. Roberts Domicile, I apologize, I meant to have him at 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 (edited) Jax and NYJ Home 2013. This is my last post this thread. Enjoy all! You're probably a good guy and we appear to be two grammar snobs but you are clearly incapable of carrying on an objective dialogue regarding who is clearly your favorite player. The wounded duck to TJ Graham that he underthrew by 20 yards against the Jets? Give me a break. That was a team victory. Please let me know when he has a game where he gets the WR's involved, throws for 300, 3 TD's and carries his team to a victory. Please. Believe me, I want it to happen as much as you do. Edited September 25, 2014 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Roberts Domicile, I apologize, I meant to have him at 3rd. Nonsense and horseshit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 We had a much better offensive coach when Fitz was here. Just like at the use of Spiller. Gailey wasn't a good head coach but he is one of the best offensive minds in football. I've actually gone back and watched some of our games from the Chan years on NFL Rewind. One thing I will give him a great amount of credit for, aside from how he used Spiller of course, was his ability to draw up plays that managed to get his receivers open. He actually did such a fantastic job at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 (edited) I would concur that he has shown very little. Through the first two games this season the consensus was that he looked "good enough." With possible exception of the Carolina game last year, give me one game where you said, "damn EJ looked good today." In 2010 I would say that Fitz looked fantastic at Baltimore and at Cincinnati just off the top of my head. There, that is substantive and substantiated for ya. He had his best game as a Bill in the second Jets game last year, and had a very, very good game a few weeks later against the Jags. Edited September 25, 2014 by Buftex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 I've actually gone back and watched some of our games from the Chan years on NFL Rewind. One thing I will give him a great amount of credit for, aside from how he used Spiller of course, was his ability to draw up plays that managed to get his receivers open. He actually did such a fantastic job at that. I have very little doubt that if he was working with EJ, EJ would be much farther along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Nonsense and horseshit I wish the whole world got that reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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