Pete Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 That was some of the worst clock management ever. I put that on Jim Kelly though. ESPN has broken down that last drive before and we wasted over 1 minute by not spiking the ball, not getting out of bounds, misuse of timeouts. What I do fault Marv for- Thurman Thomas 15 carries 135 yards. That was vintage Thurman. The Giants ran a 2-5 defense. Why the hell did Thurman not get the ball more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanone Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 If I Recall Correctly 221508[/snapback] Ah, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duey Posted January 28, 2005 Author Share Posted January 28, 2005 I remember watching a game against the Raiders that year where Norwood missed something like 3 FG's during the game. One of my roommates said "he's lost it after that SB" and I said give him a chance. He kicked the game-winner in OT, but the handwriting was on the wall. What a shame for Norwood, Buffalo, and it's fans. 221441[/snapback] I remember Thurman saying after the game that if Norwood would have missed that last kick, they would have thrown him off the plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 theres a lot to blame for that loss, none of it norwood...blame andre "i'm afraid of getting hit" reed for dropping a few passes, balme the D that couldnt stop the 3rd and a mile on that 9 min drive, blame the D for letting the jints score with 10 seconds left in the 1st half, blame the offense for not punching it in from the 8 after lofton's 61 yd catch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopsGuy Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 I remember Thurman saying after the game that if Norwood would have missed that last kick, they would have thrown him off the plane. 221538[/snapback] He actually said that they would have dropped him somewhere over Minnesota on the way back. The author of the article I read said, "Be careful, Thurman. The Super Bowl is in Minnesota this year." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duey Posted January 28, 2005 Author Share Posted January 28, 2005 He actually said that they would have dropped him somewhere over Minnesota on the way back. The author of the article I read said, "Be careful, Thurman. The Super Bowl is in Minnesota this year." 221556[/snapback] Ah, thanks for the correction. That's it alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Why open up those old wounds. Let it go. PS I still have the tape of the game(I think), but have never watched it form start to finsih since that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ennjay Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 We were chatting about this yeasterday. IMO, the key play in that game came on our drive right after Bruce sacked Hoss for a safety. We got great field position and faced a third and 3 at the Giant 35. Kelly hit Reed in stride for the first but Reed dropped it. (He was getting hammered all game long) We had to punt and lost the mo. Reed catches this pass, we're in FG range and have the gints reeling. I'll never forget this... 221458[/snapback] You are absolutely right. I've thought about that play several times over the years, along with the third-and-forever for the Giants when Hofstetler hit Steven Baker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 You forget Jim Kelly was calling the plays, not Levy. Jim wanted to be Super Bowl MVP. He was also not willing to hand the ball off to Thurman when Bill Parcells was openly challenging him to win it with his arm. If you want to blame anyone, blame Jim Kelly. Marv deserves blame for not grabbing Jim Kelly by the facemask and telling him to stop acting like a selfish a**hole. Parcells knew that the Bills would not alter it's high-and-mighty no-huddle offense out of pride and a belief that they were unstoppable. We played right into his fat, sweaty hands. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckeyeBill Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Jim Kelly= R.J. 221439[/snapback] That makes NO FREAKIN' SENSE. We lost SB 25 because our defense got walked all over in the second half. Had nothing to do with our offense. It was "bend but don't break" Corey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 You forget Jim Kelly was calling the plays, not Levy. Jim wanted to be Super Bowl MVP. He was also not willing to hand the ball off to Thurman when Bill Parcells was openly challenging him to win it with his arm. If you want to blame anyone, blame Jim Kelly. Marv deserves blame for not grabbing Jim Kelly by the facemask and telling him to stop acting like a selfish a**hole. Parcells knew that the Bills would not alter it's high-and-mighty no-huddle offense out of pride and a belief that they were unstoppable. We played right into his fat, sweaty hands. More likely it was Belichick's geeky hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckeyeBill Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 You forget Jim Kelly was calling the plays, not Levy. Jim wanted to be Super Bowl MVP. He was also not willing to hand the ball off to Thurman when Bill Parcells was openly challenging him to win it with his arm. If you want to blame anyone, blame Jim Kelly. Marv deserves blame for not grabbing Jim Kelly by the facemask and telling him to stop acting like a selfish a**hole. 221678[/snapback] Now you are saying JK lost us that Superbowl. OH BROTHER. Go crawl back into the hole you came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Now you are saying JK lost us that Superbowl. OH BROTHER. Go crawl back into the hole you came from. Remember now, it's all the QB's fault. And yes I blame Kelly for a) partying until the wee hours that morning and b) not giving Thurman the ball more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammered a Lot Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 That makes NO FREAKIN' SENSE. We lost SB 25 because our defense got walked all over in the second half. Had nothing to do with our offense. It was "bend but don't break" Corey. Yes it does. Read PromoTheRobot post. On a side note. I was talking with Leon Seals at the BTI. The guy could not believe Jeff Hostetler (sp) got up after that monster pound to the ground hit. He said he hit Jeff with everything thing he had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duey Posted January 28, 2005 Author Share Posted January 28, 2005 Why open up those old wounds. Let it go.PS I still have the tape of the game(I think), but have never watched it form start to finsih since that day. 221587[/snapback] After the game was over, I rewound the tape, put it in its case, and that's where's it resided ever since. I have never been able to watch that game...and never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAL Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Now you are saying JK lost us that Superbowl. OH BROTHER. Go crawl back into the hole you came from. 221690[/snapback] I recall JK saying that he regretted not handing off more to Thurman. Promo is right. This was the no huddle days where JK pretty much called his own plays. Don't blame Marv for it. That being said, the play that sticks in my mind the most is the 3rd and 13 play where everyone in the world had a chance to tackle the Giants WR, but he still got the first down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
respk Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Add one more that was told to me by a college kicker (ok it's a kicker take it for what it is worth). Norwood made a good kick just like he had many times before. He hit it perfectly straight and long enough. Usually a kick like that will curve back into the uprights, especially from a right footed kicker. this guy said the main reason that kick missed was that Reich didn't spin the ball enough when he set it down. When Norwood struck the ball the laces were to the right of center and the ball couldn't curve left. Had the laces been dead center or left of center the ball curves left and probably goes through. Now don't shoot the messenger I can't kick a ball straight to save my life. And it was a kicker telling me this. I just found it fascinating when I heard it. theres a lot to blame for that loss, none of it norwood...blame andre "i'm afraid of getting hit" reed for dropping a few passes, balme the D that couldnt stop the 3rd and a mile on that 9 min drive, blame the D for letting the jints score with 10 seconds left in the 1st half, blame the offense for not punching it in from the 8 after lofton's 61 yd catch... 221545[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alg Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 This is fascinating. It really means that we need to give old Scotty a break. He was a great (and clutch) kicker for the Bills until wide-right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Add one more that was told to me by a college kicker (ok it's a kicker take it for what it is worth). Norwood made a good kick just like he had many times before. He hit it perfectly straight and long enough. Usually a kick like that will curve back into the uprights, especially from a right footed kicker. this guy said the main reason that kick missed was that Reich didn't spin the ball enough when he set it down. When Norwood struck the ball the laces were to the right of center and the ball couldn't curve left. Had the laces been dead center or left of center the ball curves left and probably goes through. Now don't shoot the messenger I can't kick a ball straight to save my life. And it was a kicker telling me this. I just found it fascinating when I heard it. Uh, "laces OUT, Dan?!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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