Kemp Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Worst draft in Bills history? That's easy - 2015. Seriously though, the 1982 draft was retched. 1 Perry Tuttle WR Clemson 2 Matt Kofler QB San Diego State 3 459 Eugene Marve LB Saginaw Valley 4 1093 Van Williams RB Carson-Newman 6 21160 DeWayne Chivers TE South Carolina 7 4171 Gary Anderson PK Syracuse 8 23218 Luc Tousignant QB Fairmont State 9 22245 Dennis Edwards DT USC 10 21272 Vic James DB Colorado 11 19298 Frank Kalil OG Arizona 12 23329 Tony Suber DT Gardner-Webb Any draft where you can get a Luc Tousignant can hardly be called bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Other than Polian, for the few years that we had him, and the GM (I think his name was Gallagher) in the early 60s, we have suffered with terrible front offices.Our drafting has been horrible, and we were on the wrong end of some very bad trades. For those old timers reading this, remember when we were "cutting edge" in the early 60s? We signed the first soccer style kicker, Pete Gogolak, and raided the CFL for Cookie. It wasn't too long thereafter that our demise was to start with the departure of Lou Saban, and the Lamonica trade. Al Davis is likely still laughing in his grave about Lamonica. gogalak was sold. cookie disgruntled. saban discontent. i wonder why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 What about the 2005 draft. Without a first round pick (JP Losman 2014) this is what we came up with. 2 5 Roscoe Parrish WR 3 86 Kevin Everett TE 4 122 Duke Preston C 5 156 Eric King CB 6 197 Justin Geisinger OG 7 236 Lionel Gates RB Good point and welcome to the board. Your screen name does apply well to any Bills Fan ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 (edited) gogalak was sold. cookie disgruntled. saban discontent. i wonder why? Cookie was a great football player that didn't get the recognition he should have. But regardless of the situation he was a very difficult person to deal with. He had a tough life that that formed him into being a very hard person to contend with. Lou Saban was simply someone who always felt the urge to move on from what he was doing. As the attached Wikipedia profile indicated he had 22 coaching jobs. He was nicknamed 2.2 because his average for staying in any one place was 2.2 yrs. The Bills wanted to put Cookie on the Stadium Wall but they were not confident that he would show up. Another issue the organization had with him was that he demanded money for the appearance which the organization was not about to do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Saban Edited September 6, 2014 by JohnC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Good point and welcome to the board. Your screen name does apply well to any Bills Fan ! The historical accumulation of bad drafts is both laughable and sad. In its history this organization has stuggled to attain a mediocre status. It's embarrassing. All hope is not lost. For me the Whaley/Brandon transition reflects a turn to a more modern and standard approach to running a franchise compared to what has previously been going on. It might not be reflected in the immediate record but the tide will eventually turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 The 2002 draft also deserves to be part of this discussion 1 4 Mike Williams, OT 2 36 Josh Reed, WR 2 61 Ryan Denny, DE 3 97 Coy Wire, SS 5 139 Justin Bannan, DT 6 176 Kevin Thomas, CB 7 215 Mike Pucillo, G 7 249 Rodney Wright (no position listed) 7 251 Jarrett Ferguson (no position listed) 7 260 Dominique Stephenson (LB) Josh Reed spent about three years as a starter, and several more as a backup. So that's something from this draft. But other than him, that draft produced nothing at all. Granted, the 2000 draft didn't even give us a decent #3/4 WR like Josh Reed. However, the draft of 2000 represented the squandering of the 26th overall pick (700 points). The draft of 2002 represented the squandering of the 4th overall pick (1800 points) In terms of total value squandered, 2002 was even worse than 2000. Actually. you have this wrong. Denney, Wire and Bannon all played in the league for 7-8 years. No superstars, but pro's non the less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Worst draft in Bills history? That's easy - 2015. Seriously though, the 1982 draft was retched. 1 Perry Tuttle WR Clemson 2 Matt Kofler QB San Diego State 3 459 Eugene Marve LB Saginaw Valley 4 1093 Van Williams RB Carson-Newman 6 21160 DeWayne Chivers TE South Carolina 7 4171 Gary Anderson PK Syracuse 8 23218 Luc Tousignant QB Fairmont State 9 22245 Dennis Edwards DT USC 10 21272 Vic James DB Colorado 11 19298 Frank Kalil OG Arizona 12 23329 Tony Suber DT Gardner-Webb Any draft where you can get a Luc Tousignant can hardly be called bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 (edited) If judged by opportunity cost (the analytically correct way), then 2011 was pretty bad. Looking at who we could have drafted per round, you get: Rd 1: Marcel Dareus cost -----> AJ Green, Patrick Peterson, Julio Jones, JJ Watt, Robert Quinn, among others Rd 2: Aaron Williams cost -----> Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick, among others Rd 3: Kelvin Sheppard cost -----> Justin Houston, Demarco Murray, and anyone still on NFL roster Rd 4: Da'Norris Searcy cost ----->Jordan Cameron, Julius Thomas ... either of which shores up our TE position Rd 5: Johnny White cost -----> Richard Sherman ... wow .... and anyone still on NFL roster Rd 6: Chris White/ traded for Thad Lewis cost -----> anyone still on NFL roster Rd 7: Justin Rogers cost -----> anyone still on active NFL roster Rd 7: Mike Jasper cost -----> nothing, no one still on NFL roster Viewed this way 2011 was a very costly draft Holy hindsight batman! I'm sure you were screaming for the Bills to draft Jirdan Cameron & Julius Thomas at the draft weren't you? Dareus has made a pro bowl. We traded Sheppard for Hughes who had double digit sacks his first year here. Williams has pro bowl talent at safety. Clearly this draft was holding us back. The Bills front office sucks at hindsight. hate to say it, but in a few years we might look back and say 2014 was the worst because of what we had to give up 1. Watkins - needs to be a pro bowler soon otherwise this pick was a bust 2. Kouandjo - already a bust, was lucky to even make the team 3. Preston Brown - might be an ok pick, we'll have to wait and see 4. Cockrell - hasn't shown anything, lucky to make the team 5. Richardson - they were hoping he could beat out Pears but couldn't do it 6. Johnson - who? 7. Henderson - might be the steal of the draft and this draft's saving grace. made up for Kouandjo pick Judging by a lot of your posts, you love to say it. What about the 2005 draft. Without a first round pick (JP Losman 2014) this is what we came up with. 2 5 Roscoe Parrish WR 3 86 Kevin Everett TE 4 122 Duke Preston C 5 156 Eric King CB 6 197 Justin Geisinger OG 7 236 Lionel Gates RB Now this is an awful draft. I hated the Parrish pick and it summed up why TD was a crappy GM. He also tried to get too cute. An undersized PR (though he was a good one) with your first pick in a draft is awful. Edited September 6, 2014 by C.Biscuit97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 You have to judge these relative to what you missed out on. Of course, they could have had the exact same draft except for having used one of the picks on Tom Brady, and it might have been their best ever (but 2000 was a historically bad and weak draft across the board). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardcore Bills Fan Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Thank god. 3 days before the 2014 opener and I was praying for a thread on the 2000 draft. There is a God!!! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Actually. you have this wrong. Denney, Wire and Bannon all played in the league for 7-8 years. No superstars, but pro's non the less. Everybody needs a Bannon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 You are thinking of the 2006 draft. 1 8 Donte Whitner, SS 1 26 John McCargo, DT 3 70 Ashton Youboty, CB 4 105 Ko Simpson, FS 5 134 Kyle Williams, DT 5 143 Brad Butler, T 6 178 Keith Ellison, OLB 7 216 Terrace Pennington, T 7 248, Aaron Merz, G The main benefit from that draft was Kyle Williams. He was worth much more than everything else from it put together. It's also worth noting that even though Donte Whitner didn't come close to living up to his lofty draft position, he was reasonably proficient in run stopping, and is considered a respectable starter. There is no question that (other than Kyle Williams), the 2006 draft was extremely disappointing. But this franchise has had a lot of bad drafts; some of which have been worse than 2006's. Brad Butler was a very solid lineman, who decided to walk away from the game very early. Ellison wasn't good as a starter but we have done far worse than him over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 (edited) Holy hindsight batman! I'm sure you were screaming for the Bills to draft Jirdan Cameron & Julius Thomas at the draft weren't you? Dareus has made a pro bowl. We traded Sheppard for Hughes who had double digit sacks his first year here. Williams has pro bowl talent at safety. Clearly this draft was holding us back. The Bills front office sucks at hindsight. Every one of those other 1st round players blows the doors off dareus. Sheppard cost us 2 wasted years @ MLB, you can't justify him by trading for someone 2 years after he stunk it up. We could have traded pretty much anything for Hughes, colts alternative was cutting him. Edited September 6, 2014 by Joe_the_6_pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardcore Bills Fan Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 You are thinking of the 2006 draft. 1 8 Donte Whitner, SS 1 26 John McCargo, DT 3 70 Ashton Youboty, CB 4 105 Ko Simpson, FS 5 134 Kyle Williams, DT 5 143 Brad Butler, T 6 178 Keith Ellison, OLB 7 216 Terrace Pennington, T 7 248, Aaron Merz, G The main benefit from that draft was Kyle Williams. He was worth much more than everything else from it put together. It's also worth noting that even though Donte Whitner didn't come close to living up to his lofty draft position, he was reasonably proficient in run stopping, and is considered a respectable starter. There is no question that (other than Kyle Williams), the 2006 draft was extremely disappointing. But this franchise has had a lot of bad drafts; some of which have been worse than 2006's. wasnt Ko Simpson the one who stiffed applebees because of his name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Judging by a lot of your posts, you love to say it. Actually I love this team so I do hate to say it. But I'm just stating the obvious. Unless Sammy is a Pro Bowl type talent then we will look back at this draft as one of the worst ones ever. That's a lot of pressure for a 21 yr old WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Actually I love this team so I do hate to say it. But I'm just stating the obvious. Unless Sammy is a Pro Bowl type talent then we will look back at this draft as one of the worst ones ever. That's a lot of pressure for a 21 yr old WR But even if ONE of these guys pans out, it won't be the worst draft ever for the team. So basically you are taking this opportunity to press a point even you don't really believe. Horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 But even if ONE of these guys pans out, it won't be the worst draft ever for the team. So basically you are taking this opportunity to press a point even you don't really believe. Horrible. The point being we gave up next year's 1st too so if Sammy doesn't pan out then this was a draft that could hurt our team for a long time. He needs to be a special player for it to be worthwhile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 The point being we gave up next year's 1st too so if Sammy doesn't pan out then this was a draft that could hurt our team for a long time. He needs to be a special player for it to be worthwhile The only impact on next years draft is for the 1st round pick (and that implies the Bills don't acquire a 1st round pick through some other means). Not having a 1st round pick doesn't negate the possibility of a good draft. In fact, many here hate the Bills first round pick every year. Several teams haven't had first round picks, or have had very late 1st round picks, for several years. Are there teams doomed because of it? If we had the 1st round pick next year, what are the chances you wouldn't criticize it? The very idea we may be hurt for years, because of one draft pick, is crazy. With that said, yes, I hope Watkins makes us forget that trade. But until we know for sure, why even mention it in a thread that asks about the Bills WORST draft ever? If Seantrel turns out to be a starting tackle, that is better than a few of our past drafts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Not by much E.A. Please remember that Levy turned down "multiple trade offers" for the #8, and said that some offered more than an extra second round pick. That draft was loaded with good blockers. Absolutely stacked, let alone the fact that Cutler and Ngata were sitting there at 8. Then, they traded a 2nd and an early 3rd to move up and draft McCargo ahead of Nick Mangold. Nice, huh? And yes, Kyle Williams was a total score with first round ability and off the charts work effort. He saved the 2006 draft from being a total wash, or so one might think. But what did happen was that this draft went on to define Levy and Jauron, the worst combo I for one have ever seen. Marv destroyed the Bills for another five years with that draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 The 2002 draft also deserves to be part of this discussion 1 4 Mike Williams, OT 2 36 Josh Reed, WR 2 61 Ryan Denny, DE 3 97 Coy Wire, SS 5 139 Justin Bannan, DT 6 176 Kevin Thomas, CB 7 215 Mike Pucillo, G 7 249 Rodney Wright (no position listed) 7 251 Jarrett Ferguson (no position listed) 7 260 Dominique Stephenson (LB) Josh Reed spent about three years as a starter, and several more as a backup. So that's something from this draft. But other than him, that draft produced nothing at all. Granted, the 2000 draft didn't even give us a decent #3/4 WR like Josh Reed. However, the draft of 2000 represented the squandering of the 26th overall pick (700 points). The draft of 2002 represented the squandering of the 4th overall pick (1800 points) In terms of total value squandered, 2002 was even worse than 2000. Actually, you couldn't be more wrong about a draft. LB Kevin Thomas played 3 years for Buffalo OG Mike Pucillo played 2 years for Buffalo, one year for Cleveland, and 2 years for Washington, 5 years in the NFL S Coy Wire played a few years for the Bills and Falcons, 6 years with Buffalo & 3 years with the Falcons. 9 years in the NFL Josh Reed played a long time for the Bills, 7 years. Ryan Denny played 7 years for the Bills, and one year for Houston 2010. 8 years in the NFL Justin Bannan played 4 years for Buffalo, 4 years with the Ravens, 2 years with the broncos, one year with St Louis. 11 years in the NFL Even the 3rd, 7th round pick played 2 years for Buffalo, and another for Washington OT Mike D Williams didn't hack it at LT, and played RT for four years with Buffalo. Then was with the Redskins in 2009 trying to make a comeback at OG. I suppose this one pick stings the most because they drafted Williams at #4, and he flopped. Yet Bryant McKinnie was drafted at #7 went on to play 8 years at LT, for the team that drafted him, and was an all pro. Went on to play for the Ravens for two years, and the Dolphins for another year. That last year was 2013. He also has a DB ring from the Ravens I think a lot of old time Bills fans still hold a big grudge over this pick. Scouts at fault with this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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