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2 hours ago, Willyville Guy said:

 

I wonder if he's more trouble than he's worth. He gets all the wrong kinds of press, and his unit has underperformed in recent years.

 

But on the other hand, WR recruiting has been insane. He's also relatively inexpensive.  So, I guess keep him for now?

 

EDIT: Oh boy, I just read the Brett McMurphy piece about how far back this all goes.  Worse than I thought.  Smith needs to address it.

 

 

Reportedly he has been interviewing for several other postings this offseason, at Urban’s request. Looks like he’s been trying to get rid of him without firing him.

 

i agree he’s a good recruiter but I also think it’s not hard to recruit here... what they need to do more of is develop them once they are here and I’ve questioned how well that’s been done (just hard to say whether it’s on the QB or the WRs). They have Hartline on staff,  not sure if he’s ready to be promoted yet. 

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Competition ?

 

QB Shea Patterson Ready to Be Michigan's Savior After Escaping Ole Miss Wreckage

 

His teammates see it. The fans in Ann Arbor, Michigan, do, too. Hell, anyone who follows college football knows this is the deal with the most important transfer of the 2018 college football season.

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2788225-qb-shea-patterson-ready-to-be-michigans-savior-after-escaping-ole-miss-wreckage?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral

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11 minutes ago, Willyville Guy said:

I knew there was something weird about the 2015 incident.... Well, if this is it then it's been a helluva run with Urban.

 

My first instinct is to move Schiano to HC, with Wilson/Day and Grinch as coordinators.

 

 

I hate to be so callous about it, but it is what it is. Terrible timing.

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3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I hate to be so callous about it, but it is what it is. Terrible timing.

 

 

I don't think you're being callous.  Urban plainly stated last week that he had no knowledge about the alleged 2015 incident between Zach Smith and his ex-wife Courtney.  McMurphy says text messages between Courtney and Shelley Meyer from 2015 prove that Shelley knew, and he says Shelley's knowledge proves that Urban knew.  Maybe that's right but it's not direct evidence of Urban's knowledge.  McMurphy further says that in text messages between Courtney and the wife of the OSU director of football operations, Courtney was told about a 2015 meeting between Urban and Zach about the incident.  That's also damning but the texts themselves are not direct evidence of any meeting. So the circumstantial evidence suggests Urban knew about the alleged incident in 2015, but I have not seen any direct evidence.

 

Back then, Earl Bruce -- former HC, Urban's father-like mentor, and Zach's grandfather -- was at the end of his life. Maybe Urban didn't want to do anything to upset Bruce before he passed. So the context is there for Urban to sit on whatever information he had. Again, speculative and circumstantial but it feels like it could be true.

 

In any event, it's about to get hot in the kitchen for Urban. Given the nature of the evidence, I don't think we can say for sure what he knew and didn't know.  Plenty of room for the Homers to say Urban didn't know; plenty of room for the Haters to say he clearly knew and lied about it. All I can say is that IF he knew about the 2015 incident between Zach and Courtney, took no action, and then flatly lied about it at media day last week... then Urban should not lead a great and proud program like Ohio State.

 

And in that case, send him packing and turn the keys over to Schiano. 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Willyville Guy said:

 

 

I don't think you're being callous.  Urban plainly stated last week that he had no knowledge about the alleged 2015 incident between Zach Smith and his ex-wife Courtney.  McMurphy says text messages between Courtney and Shelley Meyer from 2015 prove that Shelley knew, and he says Shelley's knowledge proves that Urban knew.  Maybe that's right but it's not direct evidence of Urban's knowledge.  McMurphy further says that in text messages between Courtney and the wife of the OSU director of football operations, Courtney was told about a 2015 meeting between Urban and Zach about the incident.  That's also damning but the texts themselves are not direct evidence of any meeting. So the circumstantial evidence suggests Urban knew about the alleged incident in 2015, but I have not seen any direct evidence.

 

Back then, Earl Bruce -- former HC, Urban's father-like mentor, and Zach's grandfather -- was at the end of his life. Maybe Urban didn't want to do anything to upset Bruce before he passed. So the context is there for Urban to sit on whatever information he had. Again, speculative and circumstantial but it feels like it could be true.

 

In any event, it's about to get hot in the kitchen for Urban. Given the nature of the evidence, I don't think we can say for sure what he knew and didn't know.  Plenty of room for the Homers to say Urban didn't know; plenty of room for the Haters to say he clearly knew and lied about it. All I can say is that IF he knew about the 2015 incident between Zach and Courtney, took no action, and then flatly lied about it at media day last week... then Urban should not lead a great and proud program like Ohio State.

 

And in that case, send him packing and turn the keys over to Schiano. 

 

 

 

 

 

His nickname at his previous stops was Urban Liar........now you Buckeye fans will be calling him that too.

 

Huge blow to the Ohio State football program.

 

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15 minutes ago, Willyville Guy said:

 

I feel like we just discussed him a few months ago and decided that he's not close to ready.  Plus, there are two guys on staff ready to go!

 

One theory is that they know they aren’t giving the permanent gig to either one, so if Urban is gone then they have a reason to hire from the outside 

 

is Tress’s show cause up yet? :)

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Regarding Ryan Day, it might be difficult to put schiano in there given the circumstances and Penn state allegations in his past. It’s not fair but would make the university look tone deaf. Same with Wilson and IU stuff. Day provides no questions/distractions. 

 

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