The Affordable Care Act II - Because Mr. Obama Loves You All

[B-Man]

 

The head of the CBO, Keith Hall, was nominated by Republicans in 2015 and had previously served under George W. Bush

 

But yeah, keep blaming Democrats for the GOPs failures

 

 

The usual misguided response from Spurt...............

 

The article (you didn't read/understand) states that the CBO is not infallible and gives examples............pretty straightforward stuff.

 

 

Here.....this one has a video.....maybe you can get something from that .....Spurt

 

 

OMB Director Mick Mulvaney makes mincemeat of CBO scoring of health care plan

It’s care, not coverage, that really counts

 

 

If you haven’t seen OMB Director Mick Mulvaney in action, do yourself a favor and watch the video here. On today’s Morning Joe, Mulvaney showed himself to be smart, well-spoken, undefensive and down-to-earth as he systematically demolished Mika’s, and by extension, the CBO’s, claims about the Trump admin’s health care proposal.

 

Before Mulvaney appeared, the panel had engaged in extended hand-wringing over the loss of coverage that the CBO has projected.

 

Mulvaney made three telling points:

 

 

• The CBO has a bad track record when it comes to projecting coverage. Just three years ago, the CBO predicted that 24 million people would be covered today under Obamacare exchanges. The true number: 11.5 million, less than half the CBO’s forecast.
• Most tellingly, Mulvaney made the distinction between “coverage” and “care.” Dems focus on coverage. But he gave the example of a family of relatively modest means that is “covered” with an Obamacare plan. But given the annual deductible of $12-15,000, that family can’t afford actual care. He said the focus under the Trump proposal is on actually delivering care to people.
• Finally, he gave an example of an unrealistic assumption that the CBO made in coming to its coverage projections. The CBO assumes that once the new health plan is implemented, people on Medicaid will drop that free coverage and seek coverage under the new plan. Mulvaney: “that makes no sense.”

[IDBillzFan]

 

The GOP literally had 8 years to figure out a replacement plan, and when their hand was forced, they had nothing. The CBO projection literally says "we weren't given enough time to figure out a score like we usually do" since the GOP is trying to rush this through.

 

I may not like the plan they put out, but it is certainly not 'nothing,' and it could be a schitstain on your office chair and still be better than the abortion that is ACA.

 

But you keep up the quality copy/paste efforts, PB. It's hard thinking for yourself, but you can do it. You just need to keep trying.

[Nanker]

And massive tax cuts for the poor suffering wealthy!

Words of a class warfare thief.

[IDBillzFan]

If 14 million are projected to drop off the healthcare coverage rolls because the mandate to have healthcare coverage is dropped, what's the big deal? If it's so great, they'll buy a policy.

 

Remember when the ACA plan so good the entire Democratic party exempted themselves from it?

[B-Man]

 

I may not like the plan they put out, but it is certainly not 'nothing,' and it could be a schitstain on your office chair and still be better than the abortion that is ACA.

 

But you keep up the quality copy/paste efforts, PB. It's hard thinking for yourself, but you can do it. You just need to keep trying.

 

I know Gator's next post........................

[Nanker]

Yep. Probably because what they already had was less than what they could get under B.O.Care, but they just wanted to show the little people that they would suffer with their current plan.

 

Remember when the ACA plan so good the entire Democratic party exempted themselves from it?

Edited March 14, 2017 by Nanker

[B-Man]

More (un) common sense...................

 

 

MEGAN MCARDLE: Best Health-Care Plan for Republicans? Wait.

 

 

For a policy columnist, “Don’t do that” is the easiest column to write. Most policy ideas are bad. If you simply blindly oppose everything that anyone ever puts forward, you’ll end up being right most of the time.

 

However, that’s not very useful for politicians. If they just sit around Congress playing tiddlywinks all day, voters will get cranky. Congress is supposed to do things. So, having spent a few days saying unkind things about the Republican health-care plan, it probably behooves me to state what I think they should do.

 

Well, boy, that’s a hard question. Here’s the thing: For all the unkind words I’ve said, I get the forces that have brought Republicans to this point. As I wrote Thursday,

Democrats built a shoddy and unworkable structure out of the political equivalent of concrete: nearly impossible to repair or renovate, and darned expensive to demolish. The task is made even harder by the fact that Democrats currently control just enough votes in the Senate to keep Republicans from passing any sort of clean, comprehensive bill.

 

If you listen to the presentation that Speaker of the House Paul Ryan gave Thursday, you’ll see that he understands the problems. His argument is, basically: Democrats screwed up the health-care system. They won’t let us fix it cleanly, so if we’re going to do something, these half-measures are the best we can do. Let’s get this passed, address what we can through regulatory changes, then force Democrats to come to the table to negotiate the rest.

 

I basically agree with the first two sentences: Yes, Democrats expanded coverage, which is good, but in the process they made potentially fatal alterations to the market for individual insurance. These need to be addressed before many people, particularly in rural areas, simply find there are no policies for sale

.

 

It’s the third sentence I have a problem with, because I don’t think that Democrats are going to come to the table, even after Republicans push this half-bill through.

[Tiberius]

Words of a class warfare thief.

 

Tax the wealthy to give health care to people, eat sh it if you don't like it

I know Gator's next post........................

Cut and paste is your middle name Mr Alt-right propaganda boy

[Spurna]

 

 

 

The usual misguided response from Spurt...............

 

The article (you didn't read/understand) states that the CBO is not infallible and gives examples............pretty straightforward stuff.

 

 

Here.....this one has a video.....maybe you can get something from that .....Spurt

 

Are you afraid that single-payer might force you to get your autism treated

 

Try thinking for yourself instead of copying and pasting

[B-Man]

 

Are you afraid that single-payer might force you to get your autism treated

 

Try thinking for yourself instead of copying and pasting

 

 

Hey Spurt..................Congrats.

You accidently got something right.......SINGLE PAYER = FORCE

 

 

 

 

a reminder for those that missed it.

 

“The implicit standard in analysis of the health insurance system is that every consumer must have government-selected coverage. But why?”

[meazza]

 

Are you afraid that single-payer might force you to get your autism treated

 

Try thinking for yourself instead of copying and pasting

 

So now you insult the mentally disabled?

[Tiberius]

Hey Spurt..................Congrats.

You accidently got something right.......SINGLE PAYER = FORCE

 

 

 

 

a reminder for those that missed it.

 

“The implicit standard in analysis of the health insurance system is that every consumer must have government-selected coverage. But why?”

Yes, because throwing 24 million people off of health care to give even more money to the wealthy is morally ok if you are a POS

So now you insult the mentally disabled?

The Republican Party can handle the insult.

[HappyDays]

If 14 million are projected to drop off the healthcare coverage rolls because the mandate to have healthcare coverage is dropped, what's the big deal? If it's so great, they'll buy a policy.

Because the policies will be exorbitantly more expensive, especially for senior citizens. This is why the AARP has come out against the AHCA, the buck gets passed to their members. If there's one group you do NOT want to face off against politically, it's the AARP. The bill will fail.

 

It kicks poor people off their coverage and doesn't give them any feasible replacement options. So it doesn't matter "if it's so great" if you can't afford it.

[meazza]

Yes, because throwing 24 million people off of health care to give even more money to the wealthy is morally ok if you are a POS

 

The Republican Party can handle the insult.

 

So you're saying all autistic people are Republican?

[Tiberius]

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/obamacare-uninsured-white-house-236019

 

Wow! Now the White House is saying don't listen to the White House! Right wing rule is so screwed up. Garbage is running the country

[HappyDays]

 

Remember when the ACA plan so good the entire Democratic party exempted themselves from it?

And this shows just how far modern conservatives have fallen, and why moderates like me have trouble staying sane in today's political climate. It's a GOOD THING that you don't have to buy government healthcare. That's basically what Bernie Sanders wants, everyone on free government paid healthcare. That's how you bankrupt a country. What you should want (and what Republicans wanted in the 90s) is a mix of private and public healthcare. Give poor and middle income people a government option. No it won't be perfect, but it's better than nothing. Meanwhile the private industry can continue on in the free market and people can choose to go there's instead.

 

What the AHCA wants to do is drive up the price of healthcare for everybody, which kicks over 24 million people off their healthcare with no realistic opportunities to get it back. There are actual real people that will die if this bill passes because they can't afford their prescriptions anymore. There are stories like this all over. It would be devastating to roll Obamacare back. Keep tweaking it, sure, but this replacement is horrible.

[Tiberius]

So you're saying all autistic people are Republican?

What do you mean?

[Spurna]

That's basically what Bernie Sanders wants, everyone on free government paid healthcare. That's how you bankrupt a country

 

Canada seems to be doing just fine

[Tiberius]

There are actual real people that will die if this bill passes because they can't afford their prescriptions anymore. There are stories like this all over. It would be devastating to roll Obamacare back. Keep tweaking it, sure, but this replacement is horrible.

The alt-right is happy about this. They are basically social darwinists and want to see the "weak" die

Edited March 14, 2017 by Tiberius

[meazza]

 

Canada seems to be doing just fine

 

Not really.

 

I'm Canadian.