TSOL Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) Theres only one stat that matters. Ill take the double you Edited September 30, 2013 by mastershake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizell Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Just how is this, "an elephant in the room?" If you're foggy on the metaphor, the "elephant in the room" refers to a glaringly obvious issue that no one wants to talk about, or is going unaddressed. I read these threads A LOT, (although, I rarely post). I can't think of anyone in these forums, even the most strident EJ supporters, who don't freely admit that EJ is a "work in progress." haha. re: the "elephant in the room", fully agree. the the op: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Yes, we won, but it was a 5 interception game that we barely won, and EJs stats look fairly horrendous. Theres only one stat that matters. Ill take the double you we also had some bad calls on TDs, Turnovers, some dropped balls, injuries, bad footing along the sideline, bad hands in the end zone, an untied shoelace, and a rookie that's only played 4 games. We found a way to win against the former World Champions. As it stands with our rookie QB, WR, and LB it looks like we may have a promising future with those 3 positions. Lets hope they continue to learn and grow. Lets hope the offense becomes more familiar and gets in track a little more. Lets hope we can get into a rythem and capitalize on it. EJ is going to have growing problems. Th fact is he made a deep throw for a TD today. Could have had another one if he didnt overthrow Stevie. And might have had another if he can lead Woods on his interception play. Lets hope he continues to progress. haha. re: the "elephant in the room", fully agree. the the op: did you know that Indigo Montoya is Saul in Homeland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) Mrags pointed it out to me... It's about time someone said what everyone was thinking!!! thanks Cletus. When I get banned tomorrow ill blame you. In fairness, Enlightener has no problem backing up his opinions and would tell you that he enjoys my banter. He's even personally messaged me informing me of this. He can defend himself. I'm not worried. dear God ...dont compare EJ to Luck. ill compare EJ to any other rookie QB that wasn't asked to do anything except manage a game and NOT LOSE. EJ did that today. Edited September 30, 2013 by mrags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 thanks Cletus. When I get banned tomorrow ill blame you. In fairness, Enlightener has no problem backing up his opinions and would tell you that he enjoys my banter. He's even personally messaged me informing me of this. He can defend himself. I'm not worried. ill compare EJ to any other rookie QB that wasn't asked to do anything except manage a game and NOT LOSE. EJ did that today. Naturally I wasn't talking about you bud... I was talking about the other one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 not to rain on our parade, but it seems clear that Manuel is a work in progress who must progress significantly, for success going forward. Yes, we won, but it was a 5 interception game that we barely won, and EJs stats look fairly horrendous. If we had lost.... I think counting on 5 INTs is not a formula that will win us too many more games. the Bills need to develop a killer instinct (the whole team needs what Kiko has!) and EJ needs to be a LOT better. Hopefully it is possible. He seems to fumble quite a bit. This is a major concern: ball security and handling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 He seems to fumble quite a bit. This is a major concern: ball security and handling. he definitely is having issues handling balls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 The elephant in the room is dumbo. Dumbo turns peanuts into weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beebes Bubble Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 not to rain on our parade, but it seems clear that Manuel is a work in progress who must progress significantly, for success going forward. Yes, we won, but it was a 5 interception game that we barely won, and EJs stats look fairly horrendous. If we had lost.... I think counting on 5 INTs is not a formula that will win us too many more games. the Bills need to develop a killer instinct (the whole team needs what Kiko has!) and EJ needs to be a LOT better. Hopefully it is possible. WAIT A MINUTE! Are you saying that EJ is a rookie QB and we should expect growing pains? He's not going to the pro bowl in his first season? He has a rookie NFL head coach? Or maybe a rookie NFL offensive coordinator? And are you insinuating that there is also an entirely new defensive scheme that players are adjusting to? Because if that's what you are saying, thanks for sharing! I doubt most of us were aware of these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 The ONLY thing I have an issue with EJ today was not knowing where the 1st down marker was on 3rd down in the first half....that was a rookie mistake - He scrambled away from pressure - The TD pass that got called back with Woods was perfect - If the TE doesn't fall down that is a easy TD...the ball is placed perfectly - THe sideline throw to Chandler was also prfect and a improvement from last week....its CHANDLER's job to get his feet in bounds - Stevie bounces a ball in the air and its picked - The other int is EJ throwing it up and giving his WR a chance to make a play - EJ should have easily been over 300 yards passing He did well today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Fong Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Of course there is going to be some negatives when a rookie lines up at QB. That's just the nature of the NFL. In my mind the best thing about EJ is that when he lines up behind center I at least feel like the Bills have a chance. That's new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 The ONLY thing I have an issue with EJ today was not knowing where the 1st down marker was on 3rd down in the first half....that was a rookie mistake - He scrambled away from pressure - The TD pass that got called back with Woods was perfect - If the TE doesn't fall down that is a easy TD...the ball is placed perfectly - THe sideline throw to Chandler was also prfect and a improvement from last week....its CHANDLER's job to get his feet in bounds - Stevie bounces a ball in the air and its picked - The other int is EJ throwing it up and giving his WR a chance to make a play - EJ should have easily been over 300 yards passing He did well today Weird... I can't believe you don't have an issue with EJ randomly dropping the ball on two separate occasions... That seems like an issue to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 The ONLY thing I have an issue with EJ today was not knowing where the 1st down marker was on 3rd down in the first half....that was a rookie mistake - He scrambled away from pressure - The TD pass that got called back with Woods was perfect - If the TE doesn't fall down that is a easy TD...the ball is placed perfectly - THe sideline throw to Chandler was also prfect and a improvement from last week....its CHANDLER's job to get his feet in bounds - Stevie bounces a ball in the air and its picked - The other int is EJ throwing it up and giving his WR a chance to make a play - EJ should have easily been over 300 yards passing He did well today well done John. Couldn't agree more on every single point. Of course there is going to be some negatives when a rookie lines up at QB. That's just the nature of the NFL. In my mind the best thing about EJ is that when he lines up behind center I at least feel like the Bills have a chance. That's new. this---^ for once I feel like no matter how bad they've been playing, EJ gives us a chance with 90 second left and 80 yards to go with no time outs ;-) Weird... I can't believe you don't have an issue with EJ randomly dropping the ball on two separate occasions... That seems like an issue to me... He has this way of carrying the football. Like its a loaf of bread. Many QBs do that. They are QBs not RBs. I feel it's one of the things he needs to work on and I don't doubt that he will. Right now he's got so much more to worry about. The ball security will come with time. The stepping up into the pocket as opposed to running outside of it will come with experience and trust as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) not to rain on our parade, but it seems clear that Manuel is a work in progress who must progress significantly, for success going forward. Yes, we won, but it was a 5 interception game that we barely won, and EJs stats look fairly horrendous. If we had lost.... I think counting on 5 INTs is not a formula that will win us too many more games. the Bills need to develop a killer instinct (the whole team needs what Kiko has!) and EJ needs to be a LOT better. Hopefully it is possible. Newsflash....he's a rookie. Right now it's about seeing positives in each game. He finally began running the ball instead of just handing it off when they ran the read option and it lead to some big plays. Even the play when he fumbled, you could tell that play would have opened up. Rookie mistake. This game was really about the defense. Secondary rebounded with the help of Kiko Alonzo, who along with Robert Woods is making this draft class thus far look spectacular. They finally made stops when they needed to, instead of forcing the Bills to drive down the field after giving up the lead. Buffalo also sustained a very nice drive in the 4th quarter until EJ threw that interception (yes, he underthrew the receiver. Rookie mistake...he'll learn on that one). I saw alot of positives today. And bottom line is they won against a pretty good team. 4 games, all of which they have been in and haven't lost by more than a touchdown, and they are .500 early in the season. I'll take it and hopefully EJ and Buffalo's defense can build confidence from today's win. Edited September 30, 2013 by dezertbill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 The elephant in the room is that the Bills beat the Super Bowl champs with their top 3-4 (and at times 5) DBs out. After playing pitiful the week before. We have no idea what this team is all about. We could be 0-4 and we could be 4-0. Playing NE, Car, the Jets and the Ravens, even with 3 games at home, you couldnt expect more than 2-2 even without the injuries. This team is decimated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac4095 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 not to rain on our parade, but it seems clear that Manuel is a work in progress who must progress significantly, for success going forward. Yes, we won, but it was a 5 interception game that we barely won, and EJs stats look fairly horrendous. If we had lost.... I think counting on 5 INTs is not a formula that will win us too many more games. the Bills need to develop a killer instinct (the whole team needs what Kiko has!) and EJ needs to be a LOT better. Hopefully it is possible. Glass half empty. Btw they did win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 The elephant in the room is that the Bills beat the Super Bowl champs with their top 3-4 (and at times 5) DBs out. After playing pitiful the week before. We have no idea what this team is all about. We could be 0-4 and we could be 4-0. Playing NE, Car, the Jets and the Ravens, even with 3 games at home, you couldnt expect more than 2-2 even without the injuries. This team is decimated. awesome post Kelly. 4-0, 0-4 is a very thin line right now. IMO, the next 2 weeks will really show is who we are and where we are headed this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beebes Bubble Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 awesome post Kelly. 4-0, 0-4 is a very thin line right now. IMO, the next 2 weeks will really show is who we are and where we are headed this season. It's going to take longer than 2 weeks. CLE and CIN are both currently 2-2, with both losing games they were predicted to win and winning games they were predicted to lose. Those teams are just as large question marks as BUF, so the next 2 are not going to tell much in the short term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowery4 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Zazie try to keep positive my friend, there are negatives about almost any game, even if you win. The fact they kick the Ravens in the 1st half well enough to win shows some moxie and some luck. EJ was less than perfect, you are right by he did enough and we prevailed, I am happy with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 It's going to take longer than 2 weeks. CLE and CIN are both currently 2-2, with both losing games they were predicted to win and winning games they were predicted to lose. Those teams are just as large question marks as BUF, so the next 2 are not going to tell much in the short term. I hear ya...But I think if the Bills were to go 2-0 in those 2 games it would say a hell of a lot about this team...Especially considering they will still likely be pretty banged up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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