San Jose Bills Fan Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Pettine was effusive in his praise of Kiko today. He said that the staff at Oregon made sure that Kiko was "pro ready." Looks like there's no doubt that he's gonna be the opening day MLB/ILB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Pettine was effusive in his praise of Kiko today. He said that the staff at Oregon made sure that Kiko was "pro ready." Looks like there's no doubt that he's gonna be the opening day MLB/ILB. he was very diplomatic in saying that nothing was set in stone and that it was only running around in shorts, but yes, he did seem to be very happy with his young linebacker thus far. Anything is possible, highly unlikely however due to the fact that EJ is raw and KIKO is a 2nd round line backer. raw does indicate that there is ability there, and that if refined could develop into something great. and second round is not exactly an udfa that you take a flier on. do i expect these two to run away with rookie of the year honors, no. but i do think we will see some very nice things out of both. and hey, you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) Or Buffalo could very well go 5 - 11 next season; given past experience that's a much safer bet than two RsOY. Don't you think that somewhere someone else is posting that their team has a good chance of having two RsOY? Do you (OP) exhibit this rabid optimism in other aspects of your life...do you have other aspects of your life? LOL...first off, fully expected a bunch of negative nancies who wouldnt get past the actual topic title and actually look at the situation objectively. But your comments are unnecessary Edited May 22, 2013 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 This notion of two rookies of the year reminds me of the fans here last year before the season telling me that the Bills will have one of the top D's in the league and that they might have the best pass rush in the league. Fans are funny people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) I get the optimism but come on, lets try and be a little realistic here Please keep in mind, I did NOT say we will field both, I said it was possible more so than usual given the opportunity of playing time here come week 1 of highly drafted and talented rookies at high profile skill positions here. The negative nancies about blew their mind reading it, way too much optimism for some. The difference is, my OP was not about optimism, but about the reality of the situation that we have 1 for sure, and maybe 2 high profile rookies who could contirbute a ton on offense, while the draft didnt have many other offensive players expected to do so. And that we also likely have a rookie MLB who will be put in positions to make a lot of plays and MLB's have an advantage for DROY votes because they can amass a lot of stats, especially on a team like this with a lot of talent on the front line. Edited May 22, 2013 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 If Manuel starts week 1, he's the frontrunner for OROY. Woods also has a good chance. This is a very weak year for OROY candidates, no other QBs starting most of the season probably. Not many RBs or WRs appear to be in great situations either. Alonso has a good shot as well, since DROY is highly slanted towards LBs who gets lots of tackles, and bad teams get the most tackles against the run. Like Kuechly last year, who was pretty bad most of the year, but led the league in tackles. However, there's Te'o, and if he gets 100 tackles, the media is riding that train. I'll bite. What makes Manuel the frontrunner for ROY just because he starts? I like comic relief threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) This notion of two rookies of the year reminds me of the fans here last year before the season telling me that the Bills will have one of the top D's in the league and that they might have the best pass rush in the league. Fans are funny people. And last year is relevant to this year how? Lets see...new QB, new WR's, new LB's, new HC, new OC, new DC, new positional coaches, new FO, new GM... Hmmmmmm...yeah, last year is exactly like this year. I'll bite. What makes Manuel the frontrunner for ROY just because he starts? I like comic relief threads. Is that a real question? I guess you are not one of the people who actually liked the Manuel pick. First off, rookie QB's who have some measure of success have a leg up in ROY voting. Secondly, most here (apparently not you) believe in Manuel being a potential franchise QB and a guy who could lead this team. Thirdly, everything coming out from the Bills suggests that EJ is coming along quickly increasing his chances of winning the job (doesn't mean he will, but so far all the reports have been very positive on both him and the new WR's). So, there is a lot of reason to think EJ could very well be in the running if he starts early, especially given there are not a lot of other rookie QB's expected to contribute much this year outside of maybe Geno (who I think struggles on that bad team even if he does, but thats just my personal opinion, and I am not convinced he will start the season as their QB anyway) . Edited May 22, 2013 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Well, mathematically-speaking and assuming all things being equal, there is a 0.1% chance of that happening. Smart money at Vegas is on this prediction not paying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) And last year is relevant to this year how? Lets see...new QB, new WR's, new LB's, new HC, new OC, new DC, new positional coaches, new FO, new GM... Hmmmmmm...yeah, last year is exactly like this year. LMAO Is that a real question? I guess you are not one of the people who actually liked the Manuel pick. First off, rookie QB's who have some measure of success have a leg up in ROY voting. Secondly, most here (apparently not you) believe in Manuel being a potential franchise QB and a guy who could lead this team. Thirdly, everything coming out from the Bills suggests that EJ is coming along quickly increasing his chances of winning the job (doesn't mean he will, but so far all the reports have been very positive on both him and the new WR's). So, there is a lot of reason to think EJ could very well be in the running if he starts early, especially given there are not a lot of other rookie QB's expected to contribute much this year outside of maybe Geno (who I think struggles on that bad team even if he does, but thats just my personal opinion, and I am not convinced he will start the season as their QB anyway) . Excellent logical point. This year isn't last year so the Bills have a chance of winning two ROY awards. Brilliant. My point stands. Making possible predictions of greatness in May are beyond absurd. Tells us all the last time you heard negatives about rookies on any team in May. Edited May 22, 2013 by Kemp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) Anything is possible, highly unlikely however due to the fact that EJ is raw and KIKO is a 2nd round line backer. Correction, Kiko is a FIRST round talent LB who fell because he had early college off field issues. Just about every scout or draft pundit I have seen seems to believe he would have been a likely first round prospect if it was not for that. Just because many of you had not heard of him before the draft because all the talk were about other guys, does not mean he can't play. I watched Kiko play a ton and he is really talented prospect and could be a top LB for us for a long time. Do not sleep on this kid...hes gonna turn some heads. FWIW - I said the same thing about Byrd when people did not know who he was...watched him play a lot in college and loved that pick too. Look the threads up, even though they announced the Bills drafted a CB in Byrd, I was all over the boards saying we just drafted the best FS prospect in the draft and the kid was a play maker and ball hawk. I know Oregon football, and this kid Kiko out shined Dion (the #3 pick in the draft) a lot when on the field together. Edited May 22, 2013 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 I'll bite. What makes Manuel the frontrunner for ROY just because he starts? I like comic relief threads. just taking a stab...because he has apparent physical ability, a noted work ethic, high character, intelligence, desire, and most importantly, he is OUR qb. if this team has even modest success this year and he is a part of it, then the national media will be giving him credit he deserves and probably some he doesn't. it will be a story, and we know how the talking heads love a story. Well, mathematically-speaking and assuming all things being equal, there is a 0.1% chance of that happening. Smart money at Vegas is on this prediction not paying. so you're saying there's a chance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share Posted May 22, 2013 Excellent logical point. This year isn't last year so the Bills have a chance of winning two ROY awards. Brilliant. My point stands. Making possible predictions of greatness in May are beyond absurd. Actually, everything about my post was logical, and there has not been a single word of logic in any of yours...which is fine...to each their own. Amazing how starting a positive thread about the potential of our young guys brings out so much hate among the fan base. Keep the narrow minded, everything sucks mindset if it works for you...let me know how that turns out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 so you're saying there's a chance! I did round up. But I didn't factor in the power of wishful thinking. So, on balance, yeah, there is a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) Actually, everything about my post was logical, and there has not been a single word of logic in any of yours...which is fine...to each their own. Amazing how starting a positive thread about the potential of our young guys brings out so much hate among the fan base. Keep the narrow minded, everything sucks mindset if it works for you...let me know how that turns out. Well, I for one like positive threads. And...we may well have a few guys in the running for ROY awards. That'd suit me just fine. BUT...like I said earlier I'd be ecstatic if Doug won coach of the year ! BECAUSE...That would probably mean we had a winning record and slid into the playoffs. How cool would that be ? !!! Edited May 22, 2013 by jaybee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladiebla Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 this kid Kiko out shined Dion (the #3 pick in the draft) a lot when on the field together. One of the Bills scouts put itas follows: "I was sent to watch Jordan but my eyes kept being pulled towards Alonso, he was actually making the plays Jordan was advertised as making". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keukasmallies Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 And last year is relevant to this year how? Lets see...new QB, new WR's, new LB's, new HC, new OC, new DC, new positional coaches, new FO, new GM... Hmmmmmm...yeah, last year is exactly like this year. The best predictor of tomorrow is yesterday.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 yeah yaah yeah...offensive AND defensive rookie of the year. I don't see any reason for either of the rookie of the year awards to go to us, at least not until the guys make the team, break into the starting lineup and actually play in a few games. I think there are 30 some other teams who could make the same projection right about now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share Posted May 22, 2013 yeah yaah yeah...offensive AND defensive rookie of the year. I don't see any reason for either of the rookie of the year awards to go to us, at least not until the guys make the team, break into the starting lineup and actually play in a few games. I think there are 30 some other teams who could make the same projection right about now. So a thread discussing the possibility of our young players and potential success is somehow annoying to you. Got it. Thanks for playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 First off, rookie QB's who have some measure of success have a leg up in ROY voting. The phenomena of rookie QB's having some measure of success isn't what you think. Recent ROY winners have had pretty great rookie seasons and not just "some measure of success". Let's look at actual history. 46 offensive rookies of the year since 1967. QB's - 7 WR's -8 RB's - 31 84.78% of the time, it hasn't been a QB. So much for the "leg up" theory. That's pretty much shot to hell by any measure of statistic that you look at. Recent QB's in Griffin, Newton, and Bradford had stellar rookie seasons that clearly stood out from any rookie WR's or RB's. There's NOTHING that you can really say that makes your statement true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) The phenomena of rookie QB's having some measure of success isn't what you think. Recent ROY winners have had pretty great rookie seasons and not just "some measure of success". Let's look at actual history. 46 offensive rookies of the year since 1967. QB's - 7 WR's -8 RB's - 31 84.78% of the time, it hasn't been a QB. So much for the "leg up" theory. That's pretty much shot to hell by any measure of statistic that you look at. Recent QB's in Griffin, Newton, and Bradford had stellar rookie seasons that clearly stood out from any rookie WR's or RB's. There's NOTHING that you can really say that makes your statement true. Actually your stat is inherently wrong. You are using stats from eras where QBs didn't play mostly at all their rookie years. In today's era that is substantially different as rookie QBs are getting opportunities to play early and having success doing so. You stat is like averaging the cost of buying a house since 1950 and saying that's the average house price today which would be ridiculously inaccurate. Anyone who thinks a rookie QB having success in today's NFL doesn't have an advantage in the voting doesn't watch the NFL. It's the most high profile, most watched, most difficult, and most important single position in all of team sports. Hers the funniest part about the stats you just listed: RBs have won most often in history...only because WRs and QBs in years past didn't contribute much as rookies. But QB and WR are the ones who have won when a RB did not. This was said to have been the worst draft for RBs in a decade too leaving QB and WR as a more likely winner this year, which is what I wrote in my OP as to one of the main reasons I think we have a shot at it as we have one of the two most likely rookie QBs to play and probably the most likely rookie WR to both play and contribute this year. Damn you logic lol Edited May 22, 2013 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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