Toledo Bill Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 but how do you feel about him as a cornerback? I felt that he showed improvement as the year went on and I certainly give him the benefit of being a rookie. It did seem though, that he was picked on a lot and got beat on a lot of key third down plays. My guess is that he is going to be a decent CB, but was wondering what others thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolly Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 The fact that he has vincent, milloy and clements to teach him the way, I am fully confident that Mcgee will be a solid #2 cornerback. He certainly has the physical ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMCBillsFan Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I agree. I think he has the mentorship he needs to be a great one. He's got all the tools and now just needs experience and leadership from the veterans on our secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 but how do you feel about him as a cornerback? I felt that he showed improvement as the year went on and I certainly give him the benefit of being a rookie. It did seem though, that he was picked on a lot and got beat on a lot of key third down plays. My guess is that he is going to be a decent CB, but was wondering what others thought. 193301[/snapback] I'll take his coverage skills over Winfield's...but Winfield was a better tackler. Of course, that has more to do with Winfield being an ungodly good tackler than anything else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udonkey Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 A bit off topic, but still on the topic of being a returner - how many fumbles did Clements have this season on punt returns? I'm a huge fan of Nates (OH-IO), but god damn, hold on to the !@#$ing ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 ". . . was a great return specialist." Is he dead? Any reports you may have heard of his demise (as a cornerback) are premature. He will be fine. BTW, he was not a rookie this season. He was a second year player. Some of the quicker receivers schooled him (Antwan Randle El) but he has enough natural ability he'll get better. He came out of a small school, so it takes a bit longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 A bit off topic, but still on the topic of being a returner - how many fumbles did Clements have this season on punt returns? I'm a huge fan of Nates (OH-IO), but god damn, hold on to the !@#$ing ball. 193364[/snapback] Furthermore, they should just stop having Clements return punts. It is foolish to have your #1 and #2 CBs get massacred, especially on punts, especially if you have plenty of other guys looking for a chance (like J/F? Smith). Smith couldn't fare worse in terms of mistakes than Clements did this year, and he is so eager to make an impact that I think he should get a shot. Mcgee is doing a great job. I second the notion that he is working with some great tutors that will make him a solid, if not great, #2 corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Vincent = Yoda Terrence = Luke If Terrence is a good pupil the force will be with us.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Vincent = YodaTerrence = Luke If Terrence is a good pupil the force will be with us.... 193415[/snapback] Does that mean that Terrence is going to cut off Milloy's hand with a light saber? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Does that mean that Terrence is going to cut off Milloy's hand with a light saber? 193419[/snapback] More like Marvin Harrison's, Chad Johnson's, David Given's, Antwan Randle El's hands..... Too bad Vincent has so many entrepreneurial interests outside football based on his results with Evans it appears as if he would be a hell of a coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bflo83 Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 McGee will be fine especially if we can upgrade at DE and get more consistent pressure on the QB without blitzing. I agree with the point about getting Nate off of punt returns. Of course if McGee gets to the next level as CB we shouldn't have him as a return man. I always think of Jason Sehorn and what happened to him. Fast Freddie should be the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 More like Marvin Harrison's, Chad Johnson's, David Given's, Antwan Randle El's hands..... Too bad Vincent has so many entrepreneurial interests outside football based on his results with Evans it appears as if he would be a hell of a coach. 193427[/snapback] I agree. I believe he'll be recruited to be one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg de'Ville Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 ...tell ya one thing. Early on when Pgh was driving and Maddox threw that out pass to Kreider, McGee nearly had a pick-six. Heads-up play by Kreider saved a potential six for the Bills right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 IS a great return specialist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lothar Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I'll take his coverage skills over Winfield's...but Winfield was a better tackler. Of course, that has more to do with Winfield being an ungodly good tackler than anything else... 193359[/snapback] oh please DCT - I didn't expect revisionist history from you of all people. Winfield was better than Clements last year, much less McGee. He was - and is - a great cover corner who is undersized and unfortunately, couldn't catch a cold. At the same time no less an authority than the Patroits best receiver called Winfield the top cover corner in the league last year. Most of us would agree he's the best tackling corner in the league, bar none. I watched a bunch of the Vikes games on Subday Ticket - with him injured the last several games, Minnesota's secondary became a true sieve. You could also tell that other offenses avoided Winfield - he being the only player worth a hill of beans in that secondary. He actually made several game changing plays early on in the season. All that being said, the Bills couldn't afford him. McGee is a decent corner right now and definitely has the athletic ability to become a solid player. This secondary has the potential to become great but let's not put the cart before the horse just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick in* england Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 McGee will be fine especially if we can upgrade at DE and get more consistent pressure on the QB without blitzing. I agree with the point about getting Nate off of punt returns. Of course if McGee gets to the next level as CB we shouldn't have him as a return man. I always think of Jason Sehorn and what happened to him. Fast Freddie should be the man. 193428[/snapback] Upgrade at DE?? I think all 3 of our DE's played just fine this year - and Ritzmann adds nice depth if he pans out as projected... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick in* england Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 oh please DCT - I didn't expect revisionist history from you of all people. Winfield was better than Clements last year, much less McGee. He was - and is - a great cover corner who is undersized and unfortunately, couldn't catch a cold. At the same time no less an authority than the Patroits best receiver called Winfield the top cover corner in the league last year. Most of us would agree he's the best tackling corner in the league, bar none. I watched a bunch of the Vikes games on Subday Ticket - with him injured the last several games, Minnesota's secondary became a true sieve. You could also tell that other offenses avoided Winfield - he being the only player worth a hill of beans in that secondary. He actually made several game changing plays early on in the season. All that being said, the Bills couldn't afford him. McGee is a decent corner right now and definitely has the athletic ability to become a solid player. This secondary has the potential to become great but let's not put the cart before the horse just yet. 193666[/snapback] I saw a fair few Vikes games this year too - and Winfield WAS THEIR D. They had nothing without him. He really is the best cover/tackling corner in the entire NFL. His hands are crap - and I think that we won't miss him so much given the make-up of our secondary right now, but he was and is a great CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 He's not consistent, but Randy Cross thought he got in the Pro Bowl because of his cornerback skills, not his return skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunBillsBacker Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I think he's going to develop into a solid playmaking corner. I lost count how many nice breakups he made this year, or hearing the announcer saying "almost intercepted by McGee". If he can use his hands like he does on returns, and develop his cover skills a little more, he's gonna be a fine starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 I agree. I believe he'll be recruited to be one. 193429[/snapback] Vincent will more likely end up as an NFL owner than a coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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