Meathead Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 if the bills lose out id say chan is likely gone no matter what buddy said - and it would be buddy that fires him. course that means we get the pornstachio so im not sure if thats good or bad personally im not calling for chans head right now, id rather give him another season than start over again. if they could get a name coach id change my mind, but that just aint happening with this coaches job being dependant on the dice roll that is ralphs short term mortality percentages chan or pornstache is really about the best we gonna get until ralph goes to the great fieldhouse in the sky. assuming the team every stays here after that, its the only time theres any chance of getting somebody that has other hc options Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 (edited) I don't know why you would take anything Nix says literally. He can be very honest at times and other times, he's playing poker, just like any other NFL GM. Good, solid take. The Bills job is not a highly-coveted one but there's good talent on the roster and there are good coaches out there who would be interested in the job. Theres only 32 of them in the world, even the non highly coveted ones.......are still hugely coveted. Edited December 11, 2012 by mob16151 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Well, Gailey won in college. Giff Smith even helped deliver some great recruiting classes. Gailey just couldn't beat the good college NFL teams and stuck with a QB that choked in crunch time. yep, sounds very familiar .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section242 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I expect Gailey to be the coach untill the bye week next year then he's fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I expect Gailey to be the coach untill the bye week next year then he's fired. I will be very disappointed if this happens. Of course, when you're a Bills fan, disappointment comes with the territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Well, Gailey won in college. Giff Smith even helped deliver some great recruiting classes. Gailey just couldn't beat the good college teams and stuck with a QB that choked in crunch time. He barely had a winning record each year, feasting on Dukes & Vanderbilts. The Bills job is not a highly-coveted one but there's good talent on the roster and there are good coaches out there who would be interested in the job. I don't know about that. College HC and NFL assistants now make pretty good chunk of change. Anyone up an rising will not take the job, because their agents will guide against it, and they won't get too much of a pay raise, and the job atmosphere is toxic (from previous coaches' experience and bad rumor floating around management at OBD). So until there's an ownership change and franchise stability, Bills are destined to keep settling on Nixes and Gaileys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 He barely had a winning record each year, feasting on Dukes & Vanderbilts. I wasn't sad to see him go. How could you forget Samford, Connecticut, or Auburn? While he wasn't as good as the guy before or after him, he was no Bill Lewis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthWesternBill Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 This is all very frustrating. I was born and raised in Oregon, lived here my entire life. 20+ years of being a Bills fan and I am attached certainly, but can't help salivating watching whats happening 4 hours north of me in Seattle. Carrol has that team motivated and the future is bright. I can understand why those who live in WNY continue to suffer through it, but scarcely understand why I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis in NC Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 It didn't take the Rams three years to get getter than the Bills. They did it in one year. And they started from 2-14. It's just an excuse. Show me the baby. Before the game, they said that when Jeff Fisher came to St Louis, he replaced 34 players from the Rams roster. 34 players. And that most were no longer playing football anywhere (I would have to verify that part) Holy crap. I bet a real coach coming to the Bills could release a lot of dead wood (driftwood?) as well. Sadly, it will never happen though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Well, Gailey won in college. Giff Smith even helped deliver some great recruiting classes. Gailey just couldn't beat the good college teams and stuck with a QB that choked in crunch time. Same story in the NFL...Sounds familiar to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 He barely had a winning record each year, feasting on Dukes & Vanderbilts. I don't know about that. College HC and NFL assistants now make pretty good chunk of change. Anyone up an rising will not take the job, because their agents will guide against it, and they won't get too much of a pay raise, and the job atmosphere is toxic (from previous coaches' experience and bad rumor floating around management at OBD). So until there's an ownership change and franchise stability, Bills are destined to keep settling on Nixes and Gaileys. I think the front office is much more stable now than when Chan was hired. Whaley is here and is respected around the league. The scouting department has been bolstered. The ownership thing is an issue but it is not something that will keep up and coming assistants from taking the job. The fact of the matter is that a very good young coach has interviewed for this job each and every time we had a vacancy. Marvin Lewis, Gregg Williams, and John Fox in 2001, two are still head coaches. Mularkey, Romeo Crennel, and Charlie Weis in 2004(along with Dick Jauron), two are current HCs. Sean Payton in 2006. Frazier in 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Good, solid take. The Bills job is not a highly-coveted one but there's good talent on the roster and there are good coaches out there who would be interested in the job. This is just dumb. People work their entire lives for a chance to be an NFL Head coach. There are only 32 such jobs. Every coaching position is a coveted one. Hell I want the job Before the game, they said that when Jeff Fisher came to St Louis, he replaced 34 players from the Rams roster. 34 players. And that most were no longer playing football anywhere (I would have to verify that part) Holy crap. I bet a real coach coming to the Bills could release a lot of dead wood (driftwood?) as well. Sadly, it will never happen though. Just like when Gailey and Nix came in and dumped that horrible QB two games into their regime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paupmvp1995 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I think its pretty simple. If we win the last 3 or go 2-1, I think there is no question that Chan comes back. If we go 1-2 or lose the last 3, I think Chan will be fired. I think its pretty clear that Buddy doesn't WANT to fire Gailey. But if the team really crumbles in the end of the season here, Buddy will HAVE to fire him. I think Gailey is dangerously close to losing the team here. There are some serious questions about how he is running the team that have to be being discussed within the locker room. Also, I think the Gailey/Nix connection is alot looser than most people think. These guys have no prior connection and it is well known that Gailey was not Nix's top choice for the job. Secondly, yes, Mike Shanahan turned them down. As did Jim Harbaugh. And Russ Grimm and Brian Schottenheimer did decline the interview. I cannot speak to the Grimm situation but Harbaugh wanted to stay on the West Coast and Schotty was coming off two straight trips to AFC championship game. I believe that Shanahan was concerned about there not being a strong personnel man here (can't blame him). Both Leslie Frazier and Perry Fewell did interview. Leslie Frazier was a very sought after HC candidate and Fewell is an up and coming assistant who will be getting plenty of interviews this offseason and will probably get a HC job at some point. Brian Billick openly campaigned for the job as well. To say that no one wanted the job is a bit of a stretch. We could have (and should have) hired Frazier. This was a year before he took the Vikings job. He was the clear front runner to be the head coach but the rumor was that Ralph wanted an offensive mind after the big guys like Cowher and Shanahan turned him down. To say no one wants the job is a bit of a stretch. No one wanted the job 3 years ago because the front office was in such disarray it was astonishing. Russ Brandon was the GM the previous year. They were talking to coaches before hiring a GM. It was a mess. Believe it or not there is alot more stability now. The ownership/impending relocation is an issue, but not one that would preclude a prospective HC candidate from accepting the job. There were many more factors involved than that. Very good followup to what I posted yesterday. The game against Seattle in Toronto this Sunday is HUGE for the team's psyche. I am sure that the players know that Gailey is in way over his head..This is going to be a tough game because the Hawks are on a roll, and their Defense is tough. This game is going to be a precursor to most of the games we will be playing next season, when the schedule will be much more difficult. I am curious how Gailey intends to attack the Seahawks defense. We will have to run Spiller a lot, but if I am Seattle, I put 8 in the box and make Fitzie beat them. The short passing game will probably be stuffed, and if the D does not play lights out, we could easily lose by 30 with a final of something like 37-7. But I agree a 1-2 or 0-3 finish and a coaching change will be happening. As for a new coach, there will be plenty of options, as there are every year. It is just a matter of finding the right guy. x's and o's are obviously important. But can we please get someone with passion to motivate these players? The Rams last drive, there was nothing from our defense. We played like scared little girls out there. The difference between how the Bills secondary plays vs. how the Pats secondary played last nite against the Texans says everything about how little moxie Gailey is bringing to the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I think the front office is much more stable now than when Chan was hired. Whaley is here and is respected around the league. The scouting department has been bolstered. The ownership thing is an issue but it is not something that will keep up and coming assistants from taking the job. The fact of the matter is that a very good young coach has interviewed for this job each and every time we had a vacancy. Marvin Lewis, Gregg Williams, and John Fox in 2001, two are still head coaches. Mularkey, Romeo Crennel, and Charlie Weis in 2004(along with Dick Jauron), two are current HCs. Sean Payton in 2006. Frazier in 2010. Nice that you have a rosy disposition about the front office. But the reality is that the front office is a mess and ever since Donahoe departed, no one has answered the most important question of a sports franchise - who is the ultimate decision maker? The personnel moves whether right or wrong, alternate between a football explanation or a financial explanation, but are rarely explained clearly. The front office and roster have improved on paper, but the on field performance says otherwise. Whaley may have potential, but he's still under Nix, and I'm not sure how much respect Nix commands around the league. If Whaley takes over, he'll need to convince the league insiders that he will be calling the shots and that the shadowy Detroit presence won't pull the rug from under a 40-yr old executive. Not that it hasn't been done before. These are all the questions that potential candidates will have when the job opens up again, and past history is not playing in Bills' favor. You probably also realize that most of the young coordinators that you mentioned interviewed during Donahoe's tenure. Name a franchise (other than Oakland) where head coaches walked out on the job? People keep reminding us that this is one of the coveted 32 jobs in the world, yet this franchise has had 3 coaches walk out. The last time there was an opening, only Frazier was willing to interview, while Schottenheimer, Grimm & Harbaugh declined. And speaking of front office acumen, how has the decision to hire Gailey on Cowher's recommendation work out over Frazier or Fewell? This franchise is a mess, and polishing isn't going to turn it into shinola until the ownership changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 (edited) Very good followup to what I posted yesterday. The game against Seattle in Toronto this Sunday is HUGE for the team's psyche. I am sure that the players know that Gailey is in way over his head..This is going to be a tough game because the Hawks are on a roll, and their Defense is tough. This game is going to be a precursor to most of the games we will be playing next season, when the schedule will be much more difficult. I am curious how Gailey intends to attack the Seahawks defense. We will have to run Spiller a lot, but if I am Seattle, I put 8 in the box and make Fitzie beat them. The short passing game will probably be stuffed, and if the D does not play lights out, we could easily lose by 30 with a final of something like 37-7. But I agree a 1-2 or 0-3 finish and a coaching change will be happening. As for a new coach, there will be plenty of options, as there are every year. It is just a matter of finding the right guy. x's and o's are obviously important. But can we please get someone with passion to motivate these players? The Rams last drive, there was nothing from our defense. We played like scared little girls out there. The difference between how the Bills secondary plays vs. how the Pats secondary played last nite against the Texans says everything about how little moxie Gailey is bringing to the players. I hate to say it, but I think the Bills are going to get drilled on Sunday. I don't even think the Sehawks are a great team, but, as much as I don't like the guy, Pet Carroll gets his guys to play. Plus, they seem to have this bad tendancy to realize their is little hope for the season, about a month after the rest of us already figured it out, and get drubbed...the way players are publicly speaking out (Spiller giving vocal support to Gailey, etc) makes me think the team is starting to feel the walls closing in on this season... The Bills just seem to come up small whenever pride is on the line. I suspect they barely show up for the game in Toronto, lose a dull one to Miami, and then, they beat the Jets the last week of the season....and then talk about how it was "important to go out on a winnning note", and how beating the Jets will "set the tone for next season", "send the loyal fans, the best fans in the world, off on a winnig note", yadda yadda yadda..and it will leave those who want to blieve in them (I am one of them) with just that slightest twinge of hope that maybe they are getting a little better...it is becoming all too familiar. Edited December 11, 2012 by Buftex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbringer Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 The Bills just seem to come up small whenever pride is on the line. I suspect they barely show up for the game in Toronto, lose a dull one to Miami, and then, they beat the Jets the last week of the season....and then talk about how it was "important to go out on a winnning note", and how beating the Jets will "set the tone for next season", "send the loyal fans, the best fans in the world, off on a winnig note", yadda yadda yadda..and it will leave those who want to blieve in them (I am one of them) with just that slightest twinge of hope that maybe they are getting a little better...it is becoming all too familiar. Somehow, some way, I have a feeling the Jets will have something to play for that last week. Sanchez will have a typical Sanchez-like day, but Tebow will save the day for the Jets and they will go on to make the playoffs. It figures... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I honestly and wholeheartedly believe that Chan will be the coach of the Bills next year (and probably beyond that) regardless of what happens in the rest of our games. I believe Buddy thinks Chan is his best option at HC and I believe that Chan thinks Fitz is his best option at QB. I think they will draft a QB in Rd1 or 2 so they can sell hope to the fanbase, but from a practical standpoint, I think it will be business as usual heading into next year. That is unless Ralph demands change or something happens with ownership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 (edited) The Bills just seem to come up small whenever pride is on the line. I suspect they barely show up for the game in Toronto, lose a dull one to Miami, and then, they beat the Jets the last week of the season....and then talk about how it was "important to go out on a winnning note", and how beating the Jets will "set the tone for next season", "send the loyal fans, the best fans in the world, off on a winnig note", yadda yadda yadda..and it will leave those who want to blieve in them (I am one of them) with just that slightest twinge of hope that maybe they are getting a little better...it is becoming all too familiar. I think they get handled easily by the Seahawks. Pick up a few more injuries, and then go to Miami and get beat in an all around ugly game. And by week 17, I think there are so many injuries, and guys that have lost faith that we lose to a Jets team that refuses to be beaten by the likes of the Bills. Key injuries between now and end of season: Spiller K Williams Chandler Edited December 11, 2012 by Joe Miner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 The Bills job is not a highly-coveted one but there's good talent on the roster and there are good coaches out there who would be interested in the job. Theres only 32 of them in the world, even the non highly coveted ones.......are still hugely coveted. I don't know about that. College HC and NFL assistants now make pretty good chunk of change. Anyone up and rising will not take the job, because their agents will guide against it, and they won't get too much of a pay raise, and the job atmosphere is toxic (from previous coaches' experience and bad rumor floating around management at OBD). So until there's an ownership change and franchise stability, Bills are destined to keep settling on Nixes and Gaileys. This is just dumb. People work their entire lives for a chance to be an NFL Head coach. There are only 32 such jobs. Every coaching position is a coveted one. Hell I want the job. You wanting the job is of course totally irrelevant. I'll let you guys argue this one but FWIW, there are people who've declined to interview with the Bills when Gailey was hired so I stand by my statement that the Bills head coaching job is not highly coveted. Coveted? Perhaps but not to established star coaches or up and comers. Coveted by B-list coaches? Probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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