bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Your crazy - the nfl has far more control over these guys. but not Kraft they called a hold on grok on a TD late and didn't overrule fg of ravens. The regulars would have come up with new rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 26, 2012 Author Share Posted September 26, 2012 I figured this would happen...there's no way the NFL would give them a few weeks off to relax if a deal came through. Let the paranoia begin. Only thing we can do now is kick some Bellicheck Butt and not look back. Don't think all our problems will be solved once the regular NFL Refs return this weekend (and they will return this weekend). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I figured this would happen...there's no way the NFL would give them a few weeks off to relax if a deal came through. Let the paranoia begin. Only thing we can do now is kick some Bellicheck Butt and not look back. *throws flag and blows whistle* Talking bad about our Holy Patriots and the Savior Bill Belichick...on BringBackFergy...immediate lifetime ban and automatic Bills loss this weekend. *blows whistle to continue thread* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 26, 2012 Author Share Posted September 26, 2012 *throws flag and blows whistle* Talking bad about our Holy Patriots and the Savior Bill Belichick...on BringBackFergy...immediate lifetime ban and automatic Bills loss this weekend. *blows whistle to continue thread* Damn Ballston Spa/Scotia Refs always throwin the flag...I'll gladly malign Billy B. and Slim Brady till I'm blue in the face.....*walking off the field and high fiving the fans* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 *eyes BringBackFergy suspiciously as he leaves and gives a quick nod towards Belichick* It's okay Bill...we're back. We'll protect you again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 Wide Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 New England Buffalo Penalties: 3 17 Penalty Yards: 15 296 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Coincidence the pats have a losing record AND the league is using replacement refs.... it is interesting. :thumbsup: Are you drinking your owm Koolaid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 26, 2012 Author Share Posted September 26, 2012 New England Buffalo Penalties: 3 17 Penalty Yards: 15 296 A little conservative aren't you?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 Wide Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 A little conservative aren't you?? Good point. Also, the NFL is giving Belichick a $100,000 bonus for grabbing the Refs arm, thus alerting the league they need to get a deal finalized Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 OP stirring up the loonies. Prepare for more, not fewer, complaints about refs in shoutbox Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 26, 2012 Author Share Posted September 26, 2012 Good point. Also, the NFL is giving Belichick a $100,000 bonus for grabbing the Refs arm, thus alerting the league they need to get a deal finalized In a strange move, the Commissioner has approved a proposal wherein the Refs will be allowed to check their ESPN Fantasy Team at every tv time out and at halftime. Also, they are now allowed to wear their favorite QB's shirts on the field instead of white and black. Brady jerseys will be prevalent this Sunday. OP stirring up the loonies. Prepare for more, not fewer, complaints about refs in shoutbox Sunday. Guaranteed...a Google search of terms and phrases on Sunday at 4pm will undoubtedly have "f&%$#in Brady" as No. 1 and "Refs playing favorites" as No. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Refs for the last few years Bills/Pats* games and the outcomes.... 2008 @ Pats Week 10 L 20-10 Pent (B 3/22 NE 2/15) Ref crew R Walt Coleman 65 U Undrey Wash 96 HL Paul Weidner 87 LJ Carl Johnson 101 FJ Eddy Powers 38 SJ Rick Patterson 15 BJ Greg Steed 12 RA Bill Spyksma VO Terry Sullivan In Buf Week 17 L 13-0 Pent (B 3/20 NE 2/10) Ref Crew R Gene Steratore 114 U Jeff Rice 44 HL Tom Stabile 24 LJ Jeff Seeman 45 FJ Greg Gautreaux 80 SJ Barry Anderson 86 BJ Tony Steratore 112 RA Al Hynes VO Brian Matoren 2009 @ Pats* Week 1 L 25-24 (Monday night game) Pent (B 9/71 NE 6/55) Ref Crew R Scott Green 19 U Butch Hannah 40 HL Tom Stabile 24 LJ Tom Symonette 100 FJ Dyrol Prioleau 109 SJ Larry Rose 128 BJ Scott Helverson 93 RA Dick Creed VO Bill Tracy In Buf Week 15 L 17-10 Pent (B 11/124 NE 6/52) Ref Crew R Tony Corrente 99 U Fred Bryan 11 HL John McGrath 5 LJ John Hussey 35 FJ Gary Cavaletto 60 SJ Allen Baynes 56 BJ Greg Wilson 119 RA Howard Slavin VO Terry Poulos 2010 @ Pats* Week 3 L 38-30 Pent (B 6/45 NE 4/35) Ref Crew R John Parry 132 U Dan Ferrell 64 HL Wayne Mackie 106 LJ Ron Marinucci 107 FJ Scott Edwards 3 SJ Keith Washington 7 BJ Perry Paganelli 46 RA Al Hynes VO Ken Dollar In Buf Week 16 L 34-3 Pent (B 6/40 NE 6/40) Ref Crew R Al Riveron 57 U Ruben Fowler 71 HL Ed Camp 134 LJ Ron Phares 10 FJ Steve Zimmer 33 SJ Jimmy DeBell 58 BJ Lee Dyer 27 RA Bob McGrath VO Clayton Judge 2011 In Buf Week 3 W 34-31 Pent (B 9/77 NE 8/93) Ref Crew R Carl Cheffers 51 U Wash 96 HL Payne 79 LJ Symonette 100 FJ Buchanen 86 SJ Hayes 125 BJ Prukop 30 RA Nemmers VO Nazzaro @ Pats* Week 17 L 49-21 Pent (B 5/45 NE 4/77) Ref Crew R Bill Leavy 127 U Jenkins 76 HL Hayward 54 LJ Perlman 9 FJ Quirk 63 SJ Parham 87 BJ Ferguson 61 RA Stewart VO Oldham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 27, 2012 Author Share Posted September 27, 2012 Nice research Jack. I guess our paranoia is based on somewhat solid grounds. Ohh wait...we were penalized more because our players weren't coached as well...maybe that's it (or that's the reason most pundits would use to explain the disparity). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Nice research Jack. I guess our paranoia is based on somewhat solid grounds. Ohh wait...we were penalized more because our players weren't coached as well...maybe that's it (or that's the reason most pundits would use to explain the disparity). I'm still waiting to see who the crew may be this weekend, and compare it to previous results. But so far it looks like it doesn't matter, Krafts influence affects all crews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Nice research Jack. I guess our paranoia is based on somewhat solid grounds. Ohh wait...we were penalized more because our players weren't coached as well...maybe that's it (or that's the reason most pundits would use to explain the disparity). those were pretty well flat in almost all games.... and yes, you would think a better team probably commits less mental errors. additionally, far more important than 1-2 extras in a couple of games, timing of those penalties is far more indicative of impact than volume. and the most important thing when looking at these - equal penalties called doesnt equal fair officiating. beyond the previous comment about impact, odds are two teams do not commit the same number of fouls in a game, why would anyone expect that they should have the same number called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Not to add to the paranoia but I seem to recall in a lot of those Buf/NE games the penalties becoming much more "evened out" late in the game after it was already decided, thus making the penalty comparison look more innocent than it actually was. Probably not true but you never know.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Not to add to the paranoia but I seem to recall in a lot of those Buf/NE games the penalties becoming much more "evened out" late in the game after it was already decided, thus making the penalty comparison look more innocent than it actually was. Probably not true but you never know.... goes hand in hand with what i was saying - without context the numbers mean little. contrary to my gut saying its not all that bad - it could even be far worse than those show. but just number of calls without any context is a very deceiving number to look at in a vacuum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 goes hand in hand with what i was saying - without context the numbers mean little. contrary to my gut saying its not all that bad - it could even be far worse than those show. but just number of calls without any context is a very deceiving number to look at in a vacuum If you want to look at the penalties, I put links to the boxscores. So you can scroll through and see when in a game a penalty was called and on whom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 If you want to look at the penalties, I put links to the boxscores. So you can scroll through and see when in a game a penalty was called and on whom. I'm of the persuasion that the ref bias isn't nearly as big as most. Brady might get some benefit of the doubt (just like revis, or any other star), but I am not as worried about it as most so I'm unlikely to seriously dig and review. You would also need to see if its a good call, not just when it happened. It's a complex issue and every team says their rivals get all the calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 I'm still waiting to see who the crew may be this weekend, and compare it to previous results. But so far it looks like it doesn't matter, Krafts influence affects all crews. How so? And how did his "influence" fail him in two very close SB losses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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