\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303561504577495083707417526.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 No more balckout rule? Only need 85% of seats filled? Missed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Thanks for posting. Very interesting article with attendance declining in each of the last 5 years.  This topic relates to my post on the stadium experience… I like some of the ideas mentioned in this WSJ piece but I wonder if the NFL's plans are really going to enhance the stadium experience and draw more fans… or do the opposite.  From a strict economic standpoint, if paid attendance is declining, shouldn't they at least stop with the ticket increases to let the market adjust itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 No more balckout rule? Only need 85% of seats filled? Missed that. Â Â Each team can decide what level they want to use. So the Bills or any team could still decide that they need 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Thanks for posting. Very interesting article with attendance declining in each of the last 5 years.  This topic relates to my post on the stadium experience… I like some of the ideas mentioned in this WSJ piece but I wonder if the NFL's plans are really going to enhance the stadium experience and draw more fans… or do the opposite.  From a strict economic standpoint, if paid attendance is declining, shouldn't they at least stop with the ticket increases to let the market adjust itself?  That's what you'd think would make sense, but that's the LAST thing the owners will want to do.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 That's what you'd think would make sense, but that's the LAST thing the owners will want to do.... Â Yeah, but it even says the Jets just lowered prices on 12,000 seats. When the Bills lowered The Rockpile seats, those were gone instantly it seemed. Â I have always been and will continue to be, I'm sure, all about being at the game. The communal feel is what you're there for. You'll probably never get the same knowledge of what is happening on every play like you do on TV, but I'm OK with that. Â I do like that ideas of wireless wifi (right now I can't get crap at the stadium) and apps that show replays and all that........Just Jack mentioned that Replay thing on the other thread. I have one, but I've never brought it - I'm not going to lug that around. Being able to see things on your phone will make it easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 How can Jacksonville NOT be on that list? Stadium looks like an XFL game every time I watch them. Â Surprised to see Buffalo so high. Is that because December games are so cold and often futile? Or, is the stadium just bigger than the market? Thought Buffalo would at least be middle of the pack. Â Nothing remarkable here, apps and WiFi are great, but lower the damn prices already. Don't mind spending $10 for beers. It limits drunks. But I don't understand how families can even afford to go to more than one game a year at an average price of $77 per ticket. Â And one more thing, thanks for the great link, but to give readers a better glimpse on your post, and to circumvent the mods: Â [Please fix this subject] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hplarrm Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 No more balckout rule? Only need 85% of seats filled? Missed that. The blackout rule is simply a stupid idea to anyone who realizes that the true market is where the money is. in the NFL, where the money resides is with the TV networks. The amount of cash generated from the TV contract deal far outpaces the relative nickles and dimes which come from ticket sales. Even when one throws in the realtive peanut and cracker jack level of money which comes from stadium refreshment, parking and on field advertisments, everything I have read says that the cash generated by TV sales not only far outgenerate the total ticket take but is simply ridiculously larger than the marginal benefit of selling a few thousand more tickets to avoid a blackout. Â By blacking out a game a team forgoes millions of bucks of advertising the product and its sponsors to the home TV market. Â Still some of the owners cling to a commitment to the old days when the marginal value of a few more ticket sales was a lot of momry when compared top the take from the CBA. Â Blackouts are financially stupid and the quicker we get rid of them the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 blackouts havent made sense for a long time, its amazing it took them this long to do something  i wonder how popular the smart phone replays will really be? i always just brought a radio to tune to the in-stadium radio broadcast and watched the replays on the jumbotron. im not sure i would bother carrying a smartphone to see/hear the same stuff unless there was tons of unique content there. even then, do i really want to stand there squinting at my phone all day? idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinWPB Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Bills numbers get a bit deceiving because of the Ralphs almost 740000 seating capacity, only 6 other stadiums in the NFL have more seats. Add to that the ice bowl games and the 12 year drought and presto. 2012 should be rocking the house. Interesting the Public address now has a freehand to incite the fans during the game, like the Bills ever needed that!Except in Toronto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 This can't be accurate. The Tampa Bucs have far less attendance than Buffalo on a week to week basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Bills numbers get a bit deceiving because of the Ralphs almost 740000 seating capacity  Wow had no idea it was that big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaineMoxie Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Wow had no idea it was that big. Â Dude, in the Glory Years it held over 80,000. They reduced the number to add luxury boxes sometime in the late 90s or early 00s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAWNDO Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 It will be interesting to see what the Bills decide about blackouts with all those December games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaineMoxie Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 (edited) It will be interesting to see what the Bills decide about blackouts with all those December games. Â In the Glory Years, I seem to recall everyone wanting lots of December games because the Bills knew how to play in that kind of weather. Have we gotten that soft? Believe me, if I had the money, I'd be a season ticket holder and I'd be there for every single game, rain, snow, or shine. Edited July 1, 2012 by MaineMoxie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 http://www.whec.com/news/stories/s2674839.shtml?cat=565  In an effort to avoid local television blackouts the NFL is allowing teams to set a new benchmark for the percentage of tickets sold before blacking out games. Prior to this change teams had to sell out 100 percent of their seats at home games or else the local market would be forced to blackout the game.  Now teams can set the percentage to avoid a blackout as long as its higher than 85% percent of seats sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Ralph is cheap, he'll set it at 110%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cub Reporter Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Thank you NFL! I can't tell you how many years I have been saying they should do this. I once went to a game that was blacked out and only the the top corners of the upper deck weren't sold. This is good, now we should be able to see every single Bills game on TV. Hopefully, we won't have to worry about black outs though because the Bills are going to be great this year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bull7734 Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Ralph Wilson stadium is among the largest stadiums in the league. This 100% and now above 85% percent blackout rule is still crap. It should be set at 90 or 95% of the smallest capacity stadium in the league, for all teams. Why should each team be held to a different standard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Don't mind spending $10 for beers. It limits drunks. I disagree with this statemt 100%. By raising beer prices to such high levels it only adds to the drunken idiocy. Think about it. When you are tailgating you tell yourself "I'm just gonna make sure I'm good and lit now before I even walk into the gate, that way I don't have to buy any $10 beers inside the stadium" this is the thinking of many. Especially those that fall into the 18-26 year old range. It's just the way it is. For a similar example, when I lived in Vegas, me and my boys refused to pay for $5-10 drinks at any clubs/casinos/hotels. We would simply pregame it at the Keno parlor in the Bellagio for an hour or 2 before we went out. Drinks were free while you were playing and you could lay a minimum of $1/game. If you played it right, you would walk away with 5-10 drinks and an extra $20 in your pocket every night. Just saying. Most younger individuals think that way. I could tell you how many times I've seem or tailgated with people at the games that could barely walk just getting in the door. IMO it males it worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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