Hazed and Amuzed Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 The more I sit here and think about who I'd like to see with our first round pick the more I'm starting to like the idea of Upshaw now, I am definitely all for a WR or a LT but Upshaw would make this defense really vesitile. I know the knock on him was his lack of arm length and speed but now with Mario in the picture maybe Upshaw is a better fit. And if and when we go to a 3/4 Upshaw and Mario can both play LB with Barnett and Shep. Just a thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 there are seriously about 7-10 players i would be happy with at that spot. i can be talked into any one so i think i will be pretty happy when the commish says... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 there are seriously about 7-10 players i would be happy with at that spot. i can be talked into any one so i think i will be pretty happy when the commish says... I have an indelible memory of the 2006 NFL Draft, having a beer or 12 at the Bills Backers bar we go to in LA. I turned to my friend (AKC) I was watching the draft with and right before the commish announced from the podium the Bills choice, I said to him, "You know what's so great about this, they cannot !@#$ this up. There are so many good players available." -- immediately followed by "WHO?!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep2evans Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 there are seriously about 7-10 players i would be happy with at that spot. i can be talked into any one so i think i will be pretty happy when the commish says... yup, agreed. i think a lot of Ingram, Upshaw, Floyd, Kirkpatrick, Martin, etc. we'll be adding a soild player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 with the pass rush covered, this draft could put the Bills in very good shape with a couple of good picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I have an indelible memory of the 2006 NFL Draft, having a beer or 12 at the Bills Backers bar we go to in LA. I turned to my friend (AKC) I was watching the draft with and right before the commish announced from the podium the Bills choice, I said to him, "You know what's so great about this, they cannot !@#$ this up. There are so many good players available." -- immediately followed by "WHO?!" The question is: Who is the WHO? I think the WHO could be a DT like Cox or Ta'amu. Maybe Zach Brown? Outside of that, I can't say I'd be upset with any of the names being thrown out here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonbrigade Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 trade the 10 to Cinny for there 17 and 21 picks. They get RB Richardson the Bills pick CB Dre Kirkpatrick and OT Johnathon Martin. Good deal for both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cocktosten Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 with the pass rush covered, this draft could put the Bills in very good shape with a couple of good picks. If Mario goes down for a few games where does our edge rush come from? My point being the pass rush is far from covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted March 18, 2012 Author Share Posted March 18, 2012 trade the 10 to Cinny for there 17 and 21 picks. They get RB Richardson the Bills pick CB Dre Kirkpatrick and OT Johnathon Martin. Good deal for both. I like that idea but I would go Martin/Hill and then Curry in the 2nd. I know we need a corner but I think our starters are set with Williams and Florence, we could pick up a 3rd cb in the 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep2evans Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 trade the 10 to Cinny for there 17 and 21 picks. They get RB Richardson the Bills pick CB Dre Kirkpatrick and OT Johnathon Martin. Good deal for both. i don't think any of the 3 guys listed will be there at 10, 17, and 21 respectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 If Mario goes down for a few games where does our edge rush come from? My point being the pass rush is far from covered. Even with the less-than-quick Upshaw, where does the pass rush come from? Upshaw is an excellent college football player and will (IMHO) be a good, not great, NFL player at 4-3 DE. He does not have the speed, quickness or length to be a top-level NFL 4-3 DE, but could be a very good solid Left Defensive End who stuffs the run and provides some pass rush via his bull-rush. However, for those here who do not appreciate Chris Kelsay, that is exactly what he (Kelsay) does. FWIW, I think Kelsay is a good NFL Left Defensive End who holds up well vs the run and does an OK job as a pass rusher. It is only because the other pass rushers are so weak that Kelsay looks less than good (again, IMHO). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted March 18, 2012 Author Share Posted March 18, 2012 Even with the less-than-quick Upshaw, where does the pass rush come from? Upshaw is an excellent college football player and will (IMHO) be a good, not great, NFL player at 4-3 DE. He does not have the speed, quickness or length to be a top-level NFL 4-3 DE, but could be a very good solid Left Defensive End who stuffs the run and provides some pass rush via his bull-rush. However, for those here who do not appreciate Chris Kelsay, that is exactly what he (Kelsay) does. FWIW, I think Kelsay is a good NFL Left Defensive End who holds up well vs the run and does an OK job as a pass rusher. It is only because the other pass rushers are so weak that Kelsay looks less than good (again, IMHO). So what's your take on Mario playing LDE for us this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 (edited) So what's your take on Mario playing LDE for us this year? I think that Mario Williams, Marcel Dareus and Kyle Williams will provide a significant upgrade to the last several year's extremely weak pass rushes. However, there is still not a lot of pass rush coming from the other DE position or any of the LB positions. No single player (IMHO) will make THAT big of a difference. NOTE, I am not necessarily advocating taking Ingram at #10, but I could definitely see why they might. I also like LT Reiff and (maybe Martin) and LB Kuechly. I just want them to try to get a very good player with a high floor that can be a starter for a number of years. What is your take on who will play RDE (the main pass rush position in the 4-3) for the Bills this year? Edited March 18, 2012 by OldTimer1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Even with the less-than-quick Upshaw, where does the pass rush come from? Upshaw is an excellent college football player and will (IMHO) be a good, not great, NFL player at 4-3 DE. He does not have the speed, quickness or length to be a top-level NFL 4-3 DE, but could be a very good solid Left Defensive End who stuffs the run and provides some pass rush via his bull-rush. However, for those here who do not appreciate Chris Kelsay, that is exactly what he (Kelsay) does. FWIW, I think Kelsay is a good NFL Left Defensive End who holds up well vs the run and does an OK job as a pass rusher. It is only because the other pass rushers are so weak that Kelsay looks less than good (again, IMHO). Exactly what i've been saying...Upshaw was a great college player on a great team but was not a good pass rusher (he can bullrush and thats about it). He's a good run stuffer but so is Kelsay ...not worth the pick. I really don't want a pass rusher at #10 (since we have Mario on LE and Kelsay/Merriman/Carrington for now on RE) but would rather have Ingram (who is a very athletic/good pass rusher) and to a lesser extent Coples (who could be great if put in the right situation) That being said I'd rather go BPA even if it means Kuechly (plays any LB position), Floyd, an OT (not sure who Nix would want but I like Glenn), or a CB (Claiborne won't fall to us and i'd rather have Jenkins then Kirkpatrick because he's a much better coverage corner and could become a shutdown corner in the NFL)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted March 18, 2012 Author Share Posted March 18, 2012 I think that Mario Williams, Marcel Dareus and Kyle Williams will provide a significant upgrade to the last several year's extremely weak pass rushes. However, there is still not a lot of pass rush coming from the other DE position or any of the LB positions. No single player (IMHO) will make THAT big of a difference. NOTE, I am not necessarily advocating taking Ingram at #10, but I could definitely see why they might. I also like LT Reiff and (maybe Martin) and LB Kuechly. I just want them to try to get a very good player with a high floor that can be a starter for a number of years. What is your take on who will play RDE (the main pass rush position in the 4-3) for the Bills this year? I think they're banking on Merriman being healthy quite honestly or maybe they'll move Kelsey over there. Maybe Kelsey on rushing downs and Merriman on passing downs or they'll draft someone. I think moving Mario to LDE means they have something up their sleve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanCity Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I like that idea but I would go Martin/Hill and then Curry in the 2nd. I know we need a corner but I think our starters are set with Williams and Florence, we could pick up a 3rd cb in the 3rd. I am not sure that "set with.... Florence" is correct. Drayton is adequate, but we can definitely improve at CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I have an indelible memory of the 2006 NFL Draft, having a beer or 12 at the Bills Backers bar we go to in LA. I turned to my friend (AKC) I was watching the draft with and right before the commish announced from the podium the Bills choice, I said to him, "You know what's so great about this, they cannot !@#$ this up. There are so many good players available." -- immediately followed by "WHO?!" At least Whitner made the All-Rookie team, there have been far worse 1st round selections in recent years by the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Just saw a special on Kalil (NFL network). I know its unrealistic but it would be absolutely amazing if he fell a little and we traded up (without giving up too much) and got him. His dad played for the Bills and I bet he's a bills fan (even if he wont admit it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tito1 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 I saw that ad well, him and his brother look like fun guys. No way he falls. He will be longgggg gone. If we trade, I think if it's Blackmon starts falling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 At least Whitner made the All-Rookie team, there have been far worse 1st round selections in recent years by the Bills. I'm surprised Whitner has kept his mouth shut about the bounty scandal. He was only about big hits and whiffing on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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