#34fan Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I say he's SUPER-RAW. McShay and others are thinking maybe first round. Physically he's quite a specimen, at 6'8" 240, but his throwing motion looks like a disaster. You be the judge. My link Btw, Illinois' Jonathan Brown is only a sophmore. -Maybe next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 First round? wow? seriously doubt that but you never know. Only saw a couple of games and thought he ok but fits the BIG players Buddy Covets I really liked Casey Pachall 6'5" 225 from TCU. Kid has a real nice arm good mobility but will be a Jr so he may not come out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flomoe Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 First round? wow? seriously doubt that but you never know. Only saw a couple of games and thought he ok but fits the BIG players Buddy Covets I really liked Casey Pachall 6'5" 225 from TCU. Kid has a real nice arm good mobility but will be a Jr so he may not come out. That kid Pachall looks like a gamer. He is raw and only a 1 year starter after being behind Dalton but he is a very physical QB that will stand in and deliver the throw while getting hit or pull it down and gain some positive yards with his feet. He's going to be a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 That kid Pachall looks like a gamer. He is raw and only a 1 year starter after being behind Dalton but he is a very physical QB that will stand in and deliver the throw while getting hit or pull it down and gain some positive yards with his feet. He's going to be a good one. Yep, hey finally someone agrees with me on a QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Aaron Murray is where it's at next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flomoe Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Yep, hey finally someone agrees with me on a QB Sorry but I can't say the same for Tannehill. If I've read correctly, he is your choice of a QB in this years draft. I think he's pretty decent but probably not much of an upgrade over Fitzpatrick in the long term. We need to draft a QB that will be a solid QB and leader for years to come. They both might be leaders but neither has the physical tools to take this team to he next level, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Trooth Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I think we're looking at a TE project if he adds about 20-30 lbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Sorry but I can't say the same for Tannehill. If I've read correctly, he is your choice of a QB in this years draft. I think he's pretty decent but probably not much of an upgrade over Fitzpatrick in the long term. We need to draft a QB that will be a solid QB and leader for years to come. They both might be leaders but neither has the physical tools to take this team to he next level, IMO. T-hill has twice the talent as Fitzy and is just as smart so he would be a huge upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 I think we're looking at a TE project if he adds about 20-30 lbs. Now THAT is a very real possibility. I don't see this tremenndous arm strength everyone's raving about, but i do see a kid who can run in the open field and take a big hit. Only question is, can he block worth a damn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 While I don't think Osweiler is a 1st Round QB Prospect based on where his game is currently, in this day-and-age of the NFL Draft who knows?...There is no question he has the raw ability...He's VERY athletic for a Kid his size...He slides in the Pocket pretty well and he does seem to have a strong arm on some throws...Though I don't think he's got a cannon or anything like that...I'll be interested to see what they say about his Football IQ by the time the Draft rolls around...Size-wise I guess he compares to Ryan Mallett...We all know Mallett took a beating on his foot-speed and off-the-field stuff...Teams were scared to death of Mallett off-the-field obviously...But what got him Drafted by The Pats was that arm, and his ability on the white board...This Kid is twice the athlete Mallett is, but I don't think he's got Mallett's arm strength (few do)...We'll see if he has Mallett's Football IQ...If he does he's going to rocket up some boards... Anyway...If Osweiler's smart enough some Team will likely take a flyer at the bottom of the 1st or early in the 2nd...I just have a feeling some Team is going to take the bait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Squirrel Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Now THAT is a very real possibility. I don't see this tremenndous arm strength everyone's raving about, but i do see a kid who can run in the open field and take a big hit. Only question is, can he block worth a damn? As someone who has seen almost every snap this kid has taken, I can say you don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted February 1, 2012 Author Share Posted February 1, 2012 As someone who has seen almost every snap this kid has taken, I can say you don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about. Whatever. Your gutless post doesn't deserve a response, but I'll tell you that I've seen five or six of of Osweiler's games, in and out of conference. My personal opinion? -You are exactly why kids shouldn't be unsupervised on the internet. Get a life. While I don't think Osweiler is a 1st Round QB Prospect based on where his game is currently, in this day-and-age of the NFL Draft who knows?...There is no question he has the raw ability...He's VERY athletic for a Kid his size...He slides in the Pocket pretty well and he does seem to have a strong arm on some throws...Though I don't think he's got a cannon or anything like that...I'll be interested to see what they say about his Football IQ by the time the Draft rolls around...Size-wise I guess he compares to Ryan Mallett...We all know Mallett took a beating on his foot-speed and off-the-field stuff...Teams were scared to death of Mallett off-the-field obviously...But what got him Drafted by The Pats was that arm, and his ability on the white board...This Kid is twice the athlete Mallett is, but I don't think he's got Mallett's arm strength (few do)...We'll see if he has Mallett's Football IQ...If he does he's going to rocket up some boards... Anyway...If Osweiler's smart enough some Team will likely take a flyer at the bottom of the 1st or early in the 2nd...I just have a feeling some Team is going to take the bait... From the sample size I've seen, first round seems very high. It's not just a lack of arm strength, but also poor mechanics that make him a project. Osweiler has the size and the desire to be successful. Still, I don't think he'd be a first round prospect if Landry, or Barkley were coming out this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mEAz Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 First round? wow? seriously doubt that but you never know. Only saw a couple of games and thought he ok but fits the BIG players Buddy Covets I really liked Casey Pachall 6'5" 225 from TCU. Kid has a real nice arm good mobility but will be a Jr so he may not come out. A shutdown corner would be a guy who can play man and wouldn't need any safety help. Kirkpatrick is far from a shutdown corner...better suited for zone coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 A shutdown corner would be a guy who can play man and wouldn't need any safety help. Kirkpatrick is far from a shutdown corner...better suited for zone coverage. Whatever the Kid can play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Cornerback.....for the Bills.....SUPERgenius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Whatever. Your gutless post doesn't deserve a response, but I'll tell you that I've seen five or six of of Osweiler's games, in and out of conference. My personal opinion? -You are exactly why kids shouldn't be unsupervised on the internet. Get a life. From the sample size I've seen, first round seems very high. It's not just a lack of arm strength, but also poor mechanics that make him a project. Osweiler has the size and the desire to be successful. Still, I don't think he'd be a first round prospect if Landry, or Barkley were coming out this year. Wow, what a complete overreaction. You guys have different opinions. Relax. But it is funny how people can see the same player different ways. IMO, BO has more than enough strength. He also wasn't top throwing to top receivers either. He also played pretty well in his toughest games. http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/480396/brock-osweiler I just hope the lack of QBs in the draft don't push him too far up in the draft. IMO, this guy would be an absolute steal in the 3rd or later and could really develop into a legit NFL starter if he is allowed the Aaron Rodgers treatment for a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Whatever. Your gutless post doesn't deserve a response, but I'll tell you that I've seen five or six of of Osweiler's games, in and out of conference. My personal opinion? -You are exactly why kids shouldn't be unsupervised on the internet. Get a life. This is one of the funniest posts I've seen. Talk about an overreaction to someone having a difference of opinion. I'd hate to see you have to deal with a real life problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Squirrel Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Whatever. Your gutless post doesn't deserve a response, but I'll tell you that I've seen five or six of of Osweiler's games, in and out of conference. My personal opinion? -You are exactly why kids shouldn't be unsupervised on the internet. Get a life. From the sample size I've seen, first round seems very high. It's not just a lack of arm strength, but also poor mechanics that make him a project. Osweiler has the size and the desire to be successful. Still, I don't think he'd be a first round prospect if Landry, or Barkley were coming out this year. Okay, first off, I made a mistake and I'll own up to it. I have a tendency to get long-winded and I sliced a longer comment into something that clearly came across a little harsh. One of the reasons why I shortened it was because I have commented here several times on ASU players. I felt like I repeated myself about 8 times on Vontaze Burfict, and was approaching the same number with Osweiler. One of the prices we pay for having a vibrant discussion with what seems like millions of participants is that each and every one of us skips 90% of the comments here. Discussions are absolutely teeming with redundancy. Almost every single time I click on a topic intending to type a response, someone has beaten me to the exact same idea. As a result, I have been a member for two and a half years and have well less than 200 comments. In the spirit of being polite, I'll copy and paste my comment about Osweiler from January 8th: "...physically, the only knock I'd put on him is he could release the ball a little higher, which doesn't mean much at his height. But I have seen him throw a few passes with contrails coming out of them. And his mobility is more than good enough for the NFL. The issue is how fast he can adapt. In one of our old threads about Fitz's viability, San Jose Fan reminded me of the concept of "ceiling". Brock has a high one, and if it is true that he is looking at rounds 3 to 5, he is worth the Bills taking a chance on. Seen a lot of both him and Foles, and while I concede that Foles might be better equipped to step in and not make a fool of himself in his first year, Osweiler probably will be better 3 years down the road." To follow up on that: first, we all now know that without doing a darn thing, he has shot up almost everyone's draft board...this happened even before the all-star games. Why this happens with any player might be a worthwhile discussion, but not here and now. But it did, so to update what I said, YES YES YES I'd pick him in rounds 3 to 5. I do like him. I am absolutely dead set against taking a QB (other than Luck or RG3) earlier than the 3rd round, so today I cannot imagine Brock Osweiler as a Bill. Now here's my problem: I could have easily ignored fair criticism about Osweiler. But what you wrote was not fair and doesn't bear any resemblance to what I have seen with my own two eyes...nor to what ANY EXPERTS are saying. Osweiler has an odd throwing motion. It is not a slow throwing motion. In my opinion, a coach who messes with it is a fool. He also has PLUS arm strength. If there were a chance of the two of us crossing paths, I'd make a friendly wager with you that when Brock goes to the combine, he will be evaluated as having a STRONGER throwing arm than all the brand-name QBs...Luck, Griffin (who I think the world of, and promoted on this board well over a year before most of you even heard of him), Foles, Tannehill, Weeden. All the names. There may be some QB out there with a bazooka who is hiding under a rock, but out of all the guys we get to see on the tube, he will be at the top in strength. I'd absolutely bet on it. I also will tell you right now his arm is CONSIDERABLY better than Barkley's. Jones, I'd have to see more of. Some here think he is a dump-off specialist. Doesn't mean he has a weak arm. I'd go look at clips if he were coming out, but since he isn't... Now that's me being polite. Both of us made further comments in that old Osweiler thread...I'll leave it to the oldtimers to decide whether it was even worth it for you to start another one...you made one that again claimed there is something wrong with the kid's arm, and also took a shot at Gailey. My 2nd comment, which similar to yesterday's was abrupt and not overly polite, was a reply to something we see here constantly: the guy who says "pick your QB NOWNOWNOW" or it's variation, "don't pass up a franchise QB". You referred to my comment as gutless, but I think these are the most gutless, silly, nonsensical comments we see. Don't name the guy you want. Ignore that the two best will clearly be gone by the time our slot comes up. Ignore the history of failure from reaching for a QB (Losman, anybody?). And most importantly, ignoring that the Bills defense for the last several years could be used as an effective substitute for ipecac. So to wrap it up, I'd just say that I am a little bit sorry if I offended you with my prior comment. Just a tiny, wee little bit. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Cornerback.....for the Bills.....SUPERgenius. Oh god, it's been detailed around the web by various people that the Bills need a corner. So no need to be condescending. Now THAT is a very real possibility. I don't see this tremenndous arm strength everyone's raving about, but i do see a kid who can run in the open field and take a big hit. Only question is, can he block worth a damn? Ostweiler as a TE was not a well thought out idea. I think we're looking at a TE project if he adds about 20-30 lbs. See response above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) Whatever the Kid can play. Man o' man do I dig that mock draft of yours. The only thing I'd change is move the 3rd round TE into a 3rd round OLB. I feel like we'll re-sign Chandler and pick another guy up in FA, so I don't see that as being a big priority. But I agree with every other pick, especially the Crick selection in the 2nd. He's going to be a monster in the NFL. Edited February 2, 2012 by BillsGuyBackInMalta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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