billnutinphoenix Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I say he's SUPER-RAW. McShay and others are thinking maybe first round. Physically he's quite a specimen, at 6'8" 240, but his throwing motion looks like a disaster. You be the judge. My link Btw, Illinois' Jonathan Brown is only a sophmore. -Maybe next year. He is extremely intelligent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Whatever. Your gutless post doesn't deserve a response, but I'll tell you that I've seen five or six of of Osweiler's games, in and out of conference. My personal opinion? -You are exactly why kids shouldn't be unsupervised on the internet. Get a life. Wow really? I'd hate to see someone disagree with you, ya know in real life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Whether on this board or "well documented" from other geniuses on the internet, anyone who suggests THIS team should go cornerback in the 1st round should be sentenced to following a non-playoff team for the next 10 to 12 years. Oh wait...it's what's you are used to... 6 seconds is way to long to guard an NFL WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) Whether on this board or "well documented" from other geniuses on the internet, anyone who suggests THIS team should go cornerback in the 1st round should be sentenced to following a non-playoff team for the next 10 to 12 years. Oh wait...it's what's you are used to... 6 seconds is way to long to guard an NFL WR. Buffalo finished 25th against the pass using DVOA, and 27th against the run.(It's probably the most accurate statistical breakdown available) Both units still need substantial upgrades. And you could justify using a first round pick on either the secondary, or the front 7. Link: http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef Explaining DVOA: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/info/methods Edited February 2, 2012 by mob16151 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 First round? wow? seriously doubt that but you never know. Only saw a couple of games and thought he ok but fits the BIG players Buddy Covets I really liked Casey Pachall 6'5" 225 from TCU. Kid has a real nice arm good mobility but will be a Jr so he may not come out. Didn't you have to declare like 2 weeks ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Didn't you have to declare like 2 weeks ago? Yea, As far as I can tell he's not coming out this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Didn't you have to declare like 2 weeks ago? I meant next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Is he one of the "runners" Ralph Wilson says we need to get? Somebody wake him up and ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted February 2, 2012 Author Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) This was your post. Beginning, middle, and end. As someone who has seen almost every snap this kid has taken, I can say you don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about. On earth, this is how we call someone out. In response, this is what I said: "Whatever. Your gutless post doesn't deserve a response, but I'll tell you that I've seen five or six of of Osweiler's games, in and out of conference. My personal opinion? -You are exactly why kids shouldn't be unsupervised on the internet. Get a life". That's it. -No F-bombs, no one telling you to STFU, no name calling. Bottom line? -I posted my personal opinions, about Brock Osweiller, and while they're not likely to change, I provided a link so that others on this board could view what I thought was a fair showcase of his abilities. Also, by inviting my fellow OP's to "be the judge" I encouraged healthy discourse, and a variety of opinions on this young QB prospect. If you asked me, I'd say the whole affair is NO BIG DEAL. In fact, feel free to take as many shots at me as you'd like. But be forewarned: Every once in a while, I return fire. At this point though, I'm not certain Osweiler's work merits too many heated exchanges. Edited February 2, 2012 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Buffalo finished 25th against the pass using DVOA, and 27th against the run.(It's probably the most accurate statistical breakdown available) Both units still need substantial upgrades. And you could justify using a first round pick on either the secondary, or the front 7. Link: http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef Explaining DVOA: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/info/methods I do not need some made up complex statistical analysis to tell me that teams ran on Buffalo when they wanted to run and passed on Buffalo when they wanted to pass. Why? It wasn't because of the dbs. I do know from watching the games the front 7 got very little pressure on the QB in the passing game and when the line did hold their position, we had very few plays from linebackers in the run game. The front 7 MUST be addressed. They just DECREASED the number of LBs they needed and they still can't tell you who is playing where. Why? Because there is NO talent. The Bills will not take a cornerback in the 1st two rounds. They are just too deficient in other areas that determine the course of the game even before you get to cornerbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 This was your post. Beginning, middle, and end. On earth, this is how we call someone out. In response, this is what I said: "Whatever. Your gutless post doesn't deserve a response, but I'll tell you that I've seen five or six of of Osweiler's games, in and out of conference. My personal opinion? -You are exactly why kids shouldn't be unsupervised on the internet. Get a life". That's it. -No F-bombs, no one telling you to STFU, no name calling. Bottom line? -I posted my personal opinions, about Brock Osweiller, and while they're not likely to change, I provided a link so that others on this board could view what I thought was a fair showcase of his abilities. Also, by inviting my fellow OP's to "be the judge" I encouraged healthy discourse, and a variety of opinions on this young QB prospect. If you asked me, I'd say the whole affair is NO BIG DEAL. In fact, feel free to take as many shots at me as you'd like. But be forewarned: Every once in a while, I return fire. At this point though, I'm not certain Osweiler's work merits too many heated exchanges. No one said it was... Just a surprising reaction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted February 2, 2012 Author Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) I do not need some made up complex statistical analysis to tell me that teams ran on Buffalo when they wanted to run and passed on Buffalo when they wanted to pass. Why? It wasn't because of the dbs. I do know from watching the games the front 7 got very little pressure on the QB in the passing game and when the line did hold their position, we had very few plays from linebackers in the run game. The front 7 MUST be addressed. They just DECREASED the number of LBs they needed and they still can't tell you who is playing where. Why? Because there is NO talent. I want to believe that, but I just can't bring myself to do it. -Last draft, 7 of our 9 picks were defensive positions Then there's the history of Poz, Maybin, and Kelsay. To be honest, I'm at the point where I'm wondering if anything happens in our coaching process that arrests the development of seemingly talented players? I can't say for sure what's wrong, but I think our coaching methods, and philosophies need to be re-evaluated from top to bottom. Think Buddy would spring for a Tony Robbins seminar? Edited February 2, 2012 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I do not need some made up complex statistical analysis to tell me that teams ran on Buffalo when they wanted to run and passed on Buffalo when they wanted to pass. Why? It wasn't because of the dbs. I do know from watching the games the front 7 got very little pressure on the QB in the passing game and when the line did hold their position, we had very few plays from linebackers in the run game. The front 7 MUST be addressed. They just DECREASED the number of LBs they needed and they still can't tell you who is playing where. Why? Because there is NO talent. The Bills will not take a cornerback in the 1st two rounds. They are just too deficient in other areas that determine the course of the game even before you get to cornerbacks. Really you can't tell? I'll help DE Kelsay (needs upgrade) DT Williams DT Dareus DE Merriman (needs upgrade) WLB Barnett MLB Sheppard SLB ?? CB Williams SS Wilson FS Byrd CB Florence (needs upgrade) I do not need some made up complex statistical analysis to tell me that teams ran on Buffalo when they wanted to run and passed on Buffalo when they wanted to pass. Why? It wasn't because of the dbs. I do know from watching the games the front 7 got very little pressure on the QB in the passing game and when the line did hold their position, we had very few plays from linebackers in the run game. The front 7 MUST be addressed. They just DECREASED the number of LBs they needed and they still can't tell you who is playing where. Why? Because there is NO talent. The Bills will not take a cornerback in the 1st two rounds. They are just too deficient in other areas that determine the course of the game even before you get to cornerbacks. Oh lord Jesus, we have 1 good corner. Why is this so hard to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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