maryland-bills-fan Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 (edited) This list is from the GBN draft page. As of right now, I think there are only two pretty sure hits and a bunch of duds. 1 CAROLINA Cam Newton QB Auburn 2 DENVER Von Miller LB Texas A&M 3 BUFFALO Marcel Dareus DT Alabama 4 CINCINNATI A.J. Green WR Georgia 5 ARIZONA Pat Peterson CB LSU 6 ATLANTA (from Cleveland) Julio Jones WR Alabama 7 SAN FRANCISCO Aldon Smith LB Missouri 8 TENNESSEE Jake Locker QB Washington 9 DALLAS Tyron Smith OT Southern California 10 JACKSONVILLE (from Washington) Blaine Gabbert QB Missouri 11 HOUSTON JJ Watt DE Wisconsin 12 MINNESOTA Christian Ponder QB Florida State 13 DETROIT Nick Fairley DT Auburn 14 ST. LOUIS Robert Quinn DE North Carolina 15 MIAMI Mike Pouncey C Florida 16 WASHINGTON(from Jacksonville) Ryan Kerrigan LB Purdue 17 NEW ENGLAND (from Oakland) Nate Solder OT Colorado 18 SAN DIEGO Corey Liuget DT Illinois 19 NEW YORK GIANTS Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska 20 TAMPA BAY Adrian Clayborn DE Iowa 21 CLEVELAND (from Kansas City) Phil Taylor DT Baylor 22 INDIANAPOLIS Anthony Castonzo OT Boston College 23 PHILADELPHIA Danny Watkins OG Baylor 24 NEW ORLEANS Cameron Jordan DE California 25 SEATTLE James Carpenter OT Alabama 26 BALTIMORE Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 27 KANSAS CITY from Atlanta thru Cleveland) Jon Baldwin WR Pittsburgh 28 NEW ORLEANS (from New England) Mark Ingram RB Alabama 29 CHICAGO Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin 30 NEW YORK JETS Muhammad Wilkerson DE Temple 31 PITTSBURGH Cameron Heyward DE Ohio State 32 GREEN BAY Derek Sherrod OT Mississippi State Second round # Team Player POS School 33 New England (from Carolina) Ras-I Dowling CB Virginia 34 Buffalo Aaron Williams CB Texas 35 Cincinnati Andy Dalton QB Texas Christian 36 San Francisco (from Denver) Colin Kaepernick QB Nevada 37 Cleveland Jabaal Sheard DE Pittsburgh 38 Arizona Ryan Williams RB Virginia Tech 39 Tennessee Akeem Ayers LB UCLA 40 Dallas Bruce Carter LB North Carolina 41 Washington Jarvis Jenkins 5T Clemson 42 Houston Brooks Reed LB Arizona 43 Minnesota Kyle Rudolph TE Notre Dame 44 Detroit Titus Young WR Boise State 45 Denver (from San Francisco) Rahim Moore FS UCLA 46 Denver (from Miami) Orlando Franklin OT Miami 47 St. Louis Lance Kendricks TE Wisconsin 48 Oakland Stefan Wisniewski C Penn State 49 Indianapolis (from Jacksonville thru Washington) Ben Ijalana OT Villanova 50 San Diego Marcus Gilchrest DB Clemson 51 Tampa Bay Da'Quan Bowers DE Clemson 52 New York Giants Marvin Austin DT North Carolina 53 Chicago (from Indianapolis thru Washington) Stephen Paea DT Oregon State 54 Philadelphia Jaiqwuan Jarrett FS Temple 55 Kansas City Rodney Hudson C/G Florida State 56 New England (from New Orleans) Shane Vereen RB California 57 Detroit (from Seattle) Mikel Leshoure RB Illinois 58 Baltimore Torrey Smith WR Maryland 59 Cleveland (from Atlanta) Greg Little WR North Carolina 60 Houston (from New England) Brandon Harris CB Miami 61 San Diego (from NY Jets) Jonas Mouton LB Michigan 62 Miami (from Chicago thru Washington) Daniel Thomas RB Kansas State 63 Pittsburgh Marcus Gilbert OT Florida 64 Green Bay Randall Cobb WR Kentucky Pretty typical results. I think we need 4-3 OLB and DE's more than a Fritz replacement for next year. Edited December 4, 2011 by maryland-bills-fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Thank you for posting this!! All the people screaming that Fitz is not the answer need to step back from the edge. Rank the 31 other starting QBs, the recently drafted QBs, and the soon to be drafted QBs, and then figure out where Fitz falls in your ranking. He ain't that bad! And there are no sure things. Who would have predicted that Dalton would be a winner? I think the prototype for QBs in the future must also include size and strength, along with intelligence and passing ability. A QB should look a lot like a tight end. The pure pocket passer is not going to get it done. Andrew Luck is a big guy, but several other QBs recently drafted or soon to be drafted are not as big as I think they should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Fitz is like 7th in the NFL in TDs and like 3rd in the AFC in completion percentage. Fitz isnt the problem. Without him we are a 3 win team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWings Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Fitz is like 7th in the NFL in TDs and like 3rd in the AFC in completion percentage. Fitz isnt the problem. Without him we are a 3 win team Agreed. Can anyone spell pass rush? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 This is gonna go down as one of the great drafts in history… not talking QBs here… just overall. But Ponder has shown excellent promise and Locker is being brought along slowly but has shown well in glimpses. That's on top of Newton and Dalton playing well. The only highly-drafted QB that hasn't looked good is Gabbert (big surprise/sarcasm) so actually this is looking good compared to most drafts, QB-wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Thank you for posting this!! All the people screaming that Fitz is not the answer need to step back from the edge. Rank the 31 other starting QBs, the recently drafted QBs, and the soon to be drafted QBs, and then figure out where Fitz falls in your ranking. He ain't that bad! And there are no sure things. Who would have predicted that Dalton would be a winner? I think the prototype for QBs in the future must also include size and strength, along with intelligence and passing ability. A QB should look a lot like a tight end. The pure pocket passer is not going to get it done. Andrew Luck is a big guy, but several other QBs recently drafted or soon to be drafted are not as big as I think they should be. Look at the quarterbacks for the ten most recent Super Bowl winners. 2011: Aaron Rodgers 2010: Drew Brees 2009: Ben Roethlisberger 2008: Eli Manning 2007: Peyton Manning 2006: Ben Roethlisberger 2005: Tom Brady 2004: Tom Brady 2003: Brad Johnson 2002: Tom Brady Of the ten entries above, nine (including Eli Manning) are from quarterbacks that are clearly, hands-down, better than Fitz. In 2009, 2010, and 2011, Eli Manning averaged 7.9, 7.4, and 8.4 yards per pass attempt, as compared to the 6.8 yards per pass attempt Fitz averaged in 2010, and the 6.9 yards per attempt he's averaging this season. (Numbers which represent by far the best averages of Fitzpatrick's career.) One of the entries includes Brad Johnson, a very solid quarterback who had a Pro Bowl year the year the Bucs won the Super Bowl. Is it possible Fitz can put together a Pro Bowl year too, and that his Pro Bowl year will happen to coincide with the Bills having as good a defense as the Bucs did in 2002? Yes. But is this likely? Not very! If the Bills merely want to win more regular season games than they lose, then Fitz is not the problem. Fix the defense, add some depth on offense, improve the OL, and voila! But if the Bills want to win the Super Bowl, they're going to need a quarterback who can go toe-to-toe with the guys on the above list. Fitz is not that guy, and never will be that guy. It's way too early to judge the 2011 QB draft class, so I'm not going to go there. Peyton Manning didn't look all that good as a rookie, a fact which resulted in . But I agree with the larger point that franchise quarterbacks are very rare, and that typically between zero and one are added to the NFL each year. If franchise QBs are both very rare and very valuable, then any time you get a chance to add one, you do it! Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 As I've said before and as Nix has intimated, the Bills will take a QB when opportunity meets value. They know what they have in Fitz. Plus he's not overpaid and his contract has good club escapability in it. It's weird how some people are assuming that they've put all their eggs in the Fitz basket. They haven't. They've simply signed him to a contract that will stabilize the QB position for however long is necessary to find his upside replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Look at the quarterbacks for the ten most recent Super Bowl winners. 2011: Aaron Rodgers 2010: Drew Brees 2009: Ben Roethlisberger 2008: Eli Manning 2007: Peyton Manning 2006: Ben Roethlisberger 2005: Tom Brady 2004: Tom Brady 2003: Brad Johnson 2002: Tom Brady Of the ten entries above, nine (including Eli Manning) are from quarterbacks that are clearly, hands-down, better than Fitz. In 2009, 2010, and 2011, Eli Manning averaged 7.9, 7.4, and 8.4 yards per pass attempt, as compared to the 6.8 yards per pass attempt Fitz averaged in 2010, and the 6.9 yards per attempt he's averaging this season. (Numbers which represent by far the best averages of Fitzpatrick's career.) One of the entries includes Brad Johnson, a very solid quarterback who had a Pro Bowl year the year the Bucs won the Super Bowl. Is it possible Fitz can put together a Pro Bowl year too, and that his Pro Bowl year will happen to coincide with the Bills having as good a defense as the Bucs did in 2002? Yes. But is this likely? Not very! If the Bills merely want to win more regular season games than they lose, then Fitz is not the problem. Fix the defense, add some depth on offense, improve the OL, and voila! But if the Bills want to win the Super Bowl, they're going to need a quarterback who can go toe-to-toe with the guys on the above list. Fitz is not that guy, and never will be that guy. It's way too early to judge the 2011 QB draft class, so I'm not going to go there. Peyton Manning didn't look all that good as a rookie, a fact which resulted in . But I agree with the larger point that franchise quarterbacks are very rare, and that typically between zero and one are added to the NFL each year. If franchise QBs are both very rare and very valuable, then any time you get a chance to add one, you do it! Period. I like the way you put that. I think most people would agree with you. I know I do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 As I've said before and as Nix has intimated, the Bills will take a QB when opportunity meets value. They met at Andy Dalton, right after the Bills met Aaron Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Fitz is like 7th in the NFL in TDs and like 3rd in the AFC in completion percentage. Fitz isnt the problem. Without him we are a 3 win team Yep. In PFF Total Rating, he's 12th((Newton=6th), Completion Percentage (min. 600 throws) he's 5th (Newton=14th), and NFL Rating (min. 600 throws) he's 12th (Newton=25th). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 They met at Andy Dalton, right after the Bills met Aaron Williams. Fitz is better than Andy Dalton. Unless you think Dalton would be doing a ton better without cincy's very good defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 They met at Andy Dalton, right after the Bills met Aaron Williams. Fitz is 5th in completion percentage (min. 600 throws); Dalton is 18th. Fitz is 12th in NFL rating (min. 600 throws); Dalton is 14th. Fitz is 16th in yards gained per attempt (min. 600 throws); Dalton is tied at 16th. Fitz is 7th in TD's; Dalton is 11th. Dalton is 9th in passes dropped; Fitz is 25th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift Sylvan Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Look at the quarterbacks for the ten most recent Super Bowl winners. 2011: Aaron Rodgers 2010: Drew Brees 2009: Ben Roethlisberger 2008: Eli Manning 2007: Peyton Manning 2006: Ben Roethlisberger 2005: Tom Brady 2004: Tom Brady 2003: Brad Johnson 2002: Tom Brady Of the ten entries above, nine (including Eli Manning) are from quarterbacks that are clearly, hands-down, better than Fitz. In 2009, 2010, and 2011, Eli Manning averaged 7.9, 7.4, and 8.4 yards per pass attempt, as compared to the 6.8 yards per pass attempt Fitz averaged in 2010, and the 6.9 yards per attempt he's averaging this season. (Numbers which represent by far the best averages of Fitzpatrick's career.) One of the entries includes Brad Johnson, a very solid quarterback who had a Pro Bowl year the year the Bucs won the Super Bowl. Is it possible Fitz can put together a Pro Bowl year too, and that his Pro Bowl year will happen to coincide with the Bills having as good a defense as the Bucs did in 2002? Yes. But is this likely? Not very! If the Bills merely want to win more regular season games than they lose, then Fitz is not the problem. Fix the defense, add some depth on offense, improve the OL, and voila! But if the Bills want to win the Super Bowl, they're going to need a quarterback who can go toe-to-toe with the guys on the above list. Fitz is not that guy, and never will be that guy. It's way too early to judge the 2011 QB draft class, so I'm not going to go there. Peyton Manning didn't look all that good as a rookie, a fact which resulted in . But I agree with the larger point that franchise quarterbacks are very rare, and that typically between zero and one are added to the NFL each year. If franchise QBs are both very rare and very valuable, then any time you get a chance to add one, you do it! Period. Isn't Fitz third in pro-bowl voting? At least that's what was said in another thread. As usual (and we seem to do this every 2 weeks), the idea of determining a players worth after playing in the NFL for 11 games is silly (not meant to be directed at you Edward's/Holcomb's arm, but at the whole thread) Players who were busts after their first year: Vernon Davis Aaron Rodgers Darren McFadden Drew Brees The list could go on for quite a while because any player in their first year who did not play at the level they are playing at now would be considered a bust. Our brains are hardwired to find patterns in limited sets of data and again we are doing this here. You could argue that most of the guys who you say are busts now will be, but that's not the correct reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift Sylvan Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Fitz is 5th in completion percentage (min. 600 throws); Dalton is 18th. Fitz is 12th in NFL rating (min. 600 throws); Dalton is 14th. Fitz is 16th in yards gained per attempt (min. 600 throws); Dalton is tied at 16th. Fitz is 7th in TD's; Dalton is 11th. Dalton is 9th in passes dropped; Fitz is 25th. Stop it, those facts might suggest that winning a football game involves a team effort instead of a quarterback. Dalton MUST be better, he has a better record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Fitz is better than Andy Dalton. Unless you think Dalton would be doing a ton better without cincy's very good defense. Or AJ Green. And shouldn't it be 2011 QB's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flmike Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 What were the rankings of the defenses of those Super Bowl teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Fitz is 5th in completion percentage (min. 600 throws); Dalton is 18th. Fitz is 12th in NFL rating (min. 600 throws); Dalton is 14th. Fitz is 16th in yards gained per attempt (min. 600 throws); Dalton is tied at 16th. Fitz is 7th in TD's; Dalton is 11th. Dalton is 9th in passes dropped; Fitz is 25th. Does Dalton really have 600 attempts already in his career? Do they run at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumblinstumblin Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Dalton is not good. Don't be fooled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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