Not saying I want him but

[Booker Edgrson]

Without coming out and saying it, you're implying that racial discrimination has something to do with people discounting and doubting Cam Newton. But you are wrong.

 

There are legitimate concerns about Cam Newton's character.

 

These concerns stem from his father (supposedly without Cam's knowledge) asking for a play for pay fee from schools attempting to recruit him.

 

These concerns also stem from the circumstances of him leaving Florida amidst a grading scandal in which he allegedly stole a paper from a classmate and put his name on it. He allegedly subsequently bought a paper online and submitted it as his own work. Some claim that he was to be expelled before he voluntarily left Florida.

 

So there are legitimate concerns about his character.

 

There were zero concerns about James Harris' character. Harris simply came along at a time when there was strong institutionalized prejudice against blacks playing quarterback in the NFL.

 

The two cases couldn't be more different.

Ok Let's be Real Here, If we are going to be moral police let us all look in the mirror. We want football players Not Ministers, rabbis and choir boys! Charcter is a old phrase that has merit but on the football field, weighs about 10 lbs in a 100 pound bag of @#$^.

 

So mix it in with the other stuff and the smell is not as strong. Give me the Ray Lewis's and the Big Ben's and Jared Allens and Dare I say Bret Favres (Prescrptions, Sextinget,et al,)Reggie Bushes, Chris Carters, Romonowskis and let's get a efnn championship!

 

Do I have to remind you of the GREAT Jim Kelley parties during the Bills Reign. How much character was consider during those parties? I say again You don't pass on a Franchise QB's if he is what you need & is available can get him GET HIM ask the Jets, Falcons, Ravens & RAMS YES WE CAM!!!

[C.Biscuit97]

in college peyton manning exposed himself to a female trainer and made a sexist comment to her...he still went #1 and no issues since then. she sued manning and the university but nobody has brought it up in a looooong time. kids make stupid decisions and you have to see if they have the ability to put childish things away grow up.

 

Mark Sanchez got charged with rape his freshman year. But I guess taking a laptop and cheating on a test in a meaningless class is worse than rape.

[Booker Edgrson]

Did Bernies Madoff have charcter issues? Did Andrew Carnagee, Nelson Rockafeller? We all have flaws. He who has none throw the first ball at the dunk Tank and Knock the clown in

[C.Biscuit97]

Booker, you should bold your response to make it easier to see but I agree with your post. Newton did some stupid, immature things when he was a t Florida. But on the big scale of things, they are very juvenile offenses.

 

As for the taking money issue, I say good for his family. Auburn has made millions of Newton and selling his #2 jerseys that he doesn't get a cent of. If he blew out his knee, do you think the school is really going to help him out? Whether people want to admit it or not, this type of thing is going on all the time in big time college sports. The only difference is MSU was bitter that Newton didn't go there and blew the whistle.

[Booker Edgrson]

Welcome to the board.

Been reading for awhile sooo Now I'm in

 

Booker, you should bold your response to make it easier to see but I agree with your post. Newton did some stupid, immature things when he was a t Florida. But on the big scale of things, they are very juvenile offenses.

 

As for the taking money issue, I say good for his family. Auburn has made millions of Newton and selling his #2 jerseys that he doesn't get a cent of. If he blew out his knee, do you think the school is really going to help him out? Whether people want to admit it or not, this type of thing is going on all the time in big time college sports. The only difference is MSU was bitter that Newton didn't go there and blew the whistle.

 

TOO SHAY

[berndogg]

A superstar quarterback is the single most valuable commodity in professional sports. Period. More valuable than a superstar linebacker or defensive end or left tackle or starting left-handed pitcher or goalie or whatever position is important in synchronized swimming.

 

Period.

 

If you think you can get one, you do it. Can Cam Newton be a superstar QB? Maybe. Nothing is certain. There is a chance though, and it's worth trying to shoot for the moon. We stink anyways.

This is very true, but I think athleticism has a lot less to do with being a superstar qb in the nfl than the ability to read defenses. That's why a guy like fitz who always knows where to throw the ball, but doesn't necessarily have the strength or the accuracy to get it there is 100x better than a guy like losman who can make all the throws and make plays with his legs, but doesn't know what to do. In the NFL, every single player on the field is a freakish athlete and the defenses are much more sophisticated, so a qb with superior athleticism to everyone else that can't make reads will still get eaten alive. The reads in a spread option offense are extremely simple. Now, if Cam has the intelligence and dedication to learn how to be an NFL qb, he will absolutely be a superstar, but its gonna take at least a year for him to learn the pro game for him to get there.

[San Jose Bills Fan]

Booker, you should bold your response to make it easier to see but I agree with your post. Newton did some stupid, immature things when he was a t Florida. But on the big scale of things, they are very juvenile offenses.

Not least of all because your response visually merged with my post…looks like your post was the end of my post.

 

And unlike you, I'm not in favor of drafting Cam Newton 4-6th overall (or with whichever high pick the Bills end up with).

 

It's only partly character concerns. It's also that ridiculous spread option/wildcat (crap) offense that they run.

 

p.s.-Welcome to the board.

Edited December 12, 2010 by San Jose Bills Fan

[Rob's House]

Did Bernies Madoff have charcter issues? Did Andrew Carnagee, Nelson Rockafeller? We all have flaws. He who has none throw the first ball at the dunk Tank and Knock the clown in

What does that have to do with whether or not the Bills should draft Juice Newton?

[Mr. WEO]

Did Bernies Madoff have charcter issues? Did Andrew Carnagee, Nelson Rockafeller? We all have flaws. He who has none throw the first ball at the dunk Tank and Knock the clown in

Forget the butchering of all three names--are you saying we were all a little too tough on Bernie's "character flaws"? And that Nelson "Rockafeller" was a criminal?

 

Nice entrance into the board, man!

[C.Biscuit97]

Not least of all because your response visually merged with my post…looks like your post was the end of my post.

 

And unlike you, I'm not in favor of drafting Cam Newton 4-6th overall (or with whichever high pick the Bills end up with).

 

It's only partly character concerns. It's also that ridiculous spread option/wildcat (crap) offense that they run.

 

p.s.-Welcome to the board.

 

Trust me, I get the concerns. But I disagree about the spread because it's way mroe common in the NFL now.You spread the field with 4 wide and it makes for a lot of easy reads for a QB. It also creates a mismatch with Newton and the LB left in the box to defend him.

 

As much as I would love to be a NFL GM, this is they type of decision that would drive me crazy. There are a good deal of concerns with CN but some of them are the variety of a kid being a kid. He seems to be real easy going on the field and single-handedly made a 5 loss team into a championship contender in the best conference in college football.

 

Basically, the thought of passing on one of the most dominating college players ever terrifies me more than anything. Stars save franchises and we really don't have one right now. Newton fits that model to a tee and would have some good leaders in place to help his learning curve and become a pro (Fitz and Gailey).

[Rob's House]

Trust me, I get the concerns. But I disagree about the spread because it's way mroe common in the NFL now.You spread the field with 4 wide and it makes for a lot of easy reads for a QB. It also creates a mismatch with Newton and the LB left in the box to defend him.

 

As much as I would love to be a NFL GM, this is they type of decision that would drive me crazy. There are a good deal of concerns with CN but some of them are the variety of a kid being a kid. He seems to be real easy going on the field and single-handedly made a 5 loss team into a championship contender in the best conference in college football.

 

Basically, the thought of passing on one of the most dominating college players ever terrifies me more than anything. Stars save franchises and we really don't have one right now. Newton fits that model to a tee and would have some good leaders in place to help his learning curve and become a pro (Fitz and Gailey).

I hear a lot of people saying this, but I'm not so sure Fitz is down with taking a teaching role. As the great Brett Favre said of grooming Aaron Rogers, "That's not my job". If he's not playing he probably wants out, and he'll have no trouble finding a team to start for.

[San Jose Bills Fan]

Trust me, I get the concerns. But I disagree about the spread because it's way mroe common in the NFL now.You spread the field with 4 wide and it makes for a lot of easy reads for a QB. It also creates a mismatch with Newton and the LB left in the box to defend him.

You know, CB, I'm not an expert on these things but the spread option (aka Tim Tebow offense) looks very different to me than the spread offenses that NFL teams use.

 

In the spread, it's often that the QB makes that stupid little fake draw move into the line and then backs out.

 

In the NFL spread, the QB keeps his eyes down the field and exhibits very precise footwork.

 

I could be wrong but it seems to me like those two spread offenses are very different.

[NoSaint]

Trust me, I get the concerns. But I disagree about the spread because it's way mroe common in the NFL now.You spread the field with 4 wide and it makes for a lot of easy reads for a QB. It also creates a mismatch with Newton and the LB left in the box to defend him.

 

As much as I would love to be a NFL GM, this is they type of decision that would drive me crazy. There are a good deal of concerns with CN but some of them are the variety of a kid being a kid. He seems to be real easy going on the field and single-handedly made a 5 loss team into a championship contender in the best conference in college football.

 

Basically, the thought of passing on one of the most dominating college players ever terrifies me more than anything. Stars save franchises and we really don't have one right now. Newton fits that model to a tee and would have some good leaders in place to help his learning curve and become a pro (Fitz and Gailey).

 

 

There's more to a spread offense then just 4 receivers. Also he runs a spread option - closest thing in the NFL is wildcat.

 

Scares me, but like you I worry about passing on a player like that.

 

You know, CB, I'm not an expert on these things but the spread option (aka Tim Tebow offense) looks very different to me than the spread offenses that NFL teams use.

 

In the spread, it's often that the QB makes that stupid little fake draw move into the line and then backs out.

 

In the NFL spread, the QB keeps his eyes down the field and exhibits very precise footwork.

 

I could be wrong but it seems to me like those two spread offenses are very different.

 

It's going to be different route trees, progressions, footwork etc. There really aren't many if any that I can think of that have made the transition. This isn't the throw first, tom Brady 50 passing tds spread that he is running at auburn. Comparing the two is like saying all 4-3 defenses are the sane without taking into account zone vs man, blitz vs coverage etc.

Edited December 12, 2010 by NoSaint

[starrymessenger]

If this were to happen, I would take the toaster (plugged in) into the bath tub with me.

Make sure the tub is empty. I don't know whether he would work out but I've heard the Bills like him and he is from Chan's neck of the woods (ACC). Word is Chan and Buddy like ACC/SEC players.

[The Senator]

Make sure the tub is empty. I don't know whether he would work out but I've heard the Bills like him and he is from Chan's neck of the woods (ACC). Word is Chan and Buddy like ACC/SEC players.

Yeah they do, but I think they covet Ryan Mallett much more than Ponder (which is just fine with me).

[KD in CA]

So you're all ready declaring Tebow a failure before he starts one NFL game? Good point and thanks for your wisdom.

No, I'm just declaring you an idiot, but have fun with your little crusade for the next five months.

 

 

But Newton is the most dominate football player I have ever seen.

 

Edited December 12, 2010 by KD in CT

[Booker Edgrson]

What does that have to do with whether or not the Bills should draft Juice Newton?

Simply put everyone who speaks about character in the world we live in should take a 30,000 foot view and think about the character flaws in the world we live in and get off the character issue of a FOOTBALL player that is what it has to do with drafting CAM.

 

We can give a "character guy" like Kelsay $$$$ who don't have "SKILLS" to make a difference then I'll take a difference maker like Cam with "character issues" Now do you follow me.....