John from Riverside Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Hope I spelled that right....but the DE we drafted looks like an absolute stud on tape and did well against other competition in colllege when he got the opportunity...... Looking for big things from this kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanCity Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 I was thinking about this while looking at the video from OTA's yesterday. I haven't heard much, if anything, about Carrington. Based on highlight reels (I know, they are called "Highlight" reels for a reason) from his college career and his stat lines the guy looks like he could be a real impact player in the next few seasons. I want to know what he has been showing in the OTA's. He is in a bit of a dogfight at DE, but I'd hope to see him in the mix with the opportunity to be in the SL at some point this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperKillerRobots Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 I was thinking about this while looking at the video from OTA's yesterday. I haven't heard much, if anything, about Carrington. Based on highlight reels (I know, they are called "Highlight" reels for a reason) from his college career and his stat lines the guy looks like he could be a real impact player in the next few seasons. I want to know what he has been showing in the OTA's. He is in a bit of a dogfight at DE, but I'd hope to see him in the mix with the opportunity to be in the SL at some point this season. Probably not much to say about him until the pads go on. He's playing the trenches and will be effective if he can hold at the point of attack whent he bullets fly. Anything else he can do is just adde3d bonus, but he won't see the field if he can't play the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 He's not on all the OTA highlight films lighting up the QBs, so I'm here to call it first.... BUST! The guy will never amount to anything. Must be a locker room cancer, too. I've never heard any of his team mates say anything good about him. Another wasted draft pick. Damn Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 ....but the DE we drafted looks like an absolute stud on tape and did well against other competition in colllege when he got the opportunity...... Looking for big things from this kid I would guess that a large majority of players drafted in the early rounds had equally impressive college highlight reel videos. I wouldn't put much stock into how this translates to how they play in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Hope I spelled that right....but the DE we drafted looks like an absolute stud on tape and did well against other competition in colllege when he got the opportunity...... Looking for big things from this kid Similar words were spoken about '08's #3, DE Chris Ellis. We just have to wait and see...hope he hits the field better/quicker than Ellis. The BUF club hasn't had much of a sharp eye when it came to drafting DLs in recent years. An aside - The current staff was pretty dumb IMO, in announcing to the other 31 clubs that they would commit to a 3-4 before the draft. Same thing with the publicized "scatback" desire. Reminds me of the previous crowd that chirped about the "no-huddle" offense. The draft is in a way, like playing poker. Which I am miserable at - but I do know that keeping your cards close...matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrNix Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Similar words were spoken about '08's #3, DE Chris Ellis. We just have to wait and see...hope he hits the field better/quicker than Ellis. The BUF club hasn't had much of a sharp eye when it came to drafting DLs in recent years. I recall reading about Ellis when they drafted him, and was not all that impressed. I think during that draft everyone was hoping for a pass-rusher. The Ellis pick was a bit like the Wang pick--a position viewed as a need is taken at a spot where you will be lucky if it pays off. As for Carrington, everything I've read about this guy has me thinking we got a Phil Hansen type player as a steal in the third. All we can do is guess at this point, but it's always fun to speculate on the players they drafted, before the pads have gone on. Another player I think will one day be a solid if not spectacular player is Moats. Impressed by the few interviews I've seen too. As I mentioned in my assessment of the draft, I think he and Batten will be STs hellions this year. I think all of the players drafted this year will be on the roster or practice squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hossage Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Ellis has put on strength. I was a big critic of his for his lack of strength. If I recall his rookie bench press was 350, unacceptable for a 270 lb man. He looked like a boy among men out there at first. He looked like he deserved a shot in preseason last year. I think he will get a fair chance this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilsner Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Hope I spelled that right....but the DE we drafted looks like an absolute stud on tape and did well against other competition in colllege when he got the opportunity...... Looking for big things from this kid I have high hopes for Carrington as well. I'm hoping he'll be the 2nd coming of Phil Hansen. If he's more than that, i'll be bowing down to Nix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills fan in TX Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 I have high hopes for Carrington as well. I'm hoping he'll be the 2nd coming of Phil Hansen. If he's more than that, i'll be bowing down to Nix. Great...a Phil Hansen without a Bruce Smith equates to an Aaron Schobel. It's better than a John McCargo and I'll take that but please, please find me a Bruce Smith or enough playmakers to generate a pass rush. I haven't seen a legit pass rush in years and that includes all the Schobel years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilsner Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Great...a Phil Hansen without a Bruce Smith equates to an Aaron Schobel. It's better than a John McCargo and I'll take that but please, please find me a Bruce Smith or enough playmakers to generate a pass rush. I haven't seen a legit pass rush in years and that includes all the Schobel years. Haha, hey give the Bills time to find a Bruce. We can't find everyone in one or two drafts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Similar words were spoken about '08's #3, DE Chris Ellis. We just have to wait and see...hope he hits the field better/quicker than Ellis. The BUF club hasn't had much of a sharp eye when it came to drafting DLs in recent years. An aside - The current staff was pretty dumb IMO, in announcing to the other 31 clubs that they would commit to a 3-4 before the draft. Same thing with the publicized "scatback" desire. Reminds me of the previous crowd that chirped about the "no-huddle" offense. The draft is in a way, like playing poker. Which I am miserable at - but I do know that keeping your cards close...matters. The 3-4 thing was kind of given away once they hired the DC..... theres hiding your cards--- but people still know what deck your playing with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Great...a Phil Hansen without a Bruce Smith equates to an Aaron Schobel. It's better than a John McCargo and I'll take that but please, please find me a Bruce Smith or enough playmakers to generate a pass rush. I haven't seen a legit pass rush in years and that includes all the Schobel years. The Bills had 40 sacks in 2006, which was tied for 8th. I'd say that qualifies as a legit pass rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Great...a Phil Hansen without a Bruce Smith equates to an Aaron Schobel. It's better than a John McCargo and I'll take that but please, please find me a Bruce Smith or enough playmakers to generate a pass rush. I haven't seen a legit pass rush in years and that includes all the Schobel years. Schobel was the pass rush last year, and did a pretty good job of limiting the QBs time. I'll take another Aaron Schobel any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrNix Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Great...a Phil Hansen without a Bruce Smith equates to an Aaron Schobel. It's better than a John McCargo and I'll take that but please, please find me a Bruce Smith or enough playmakers to generate a pass rush. I haven't seen a legit pass rush in years and that includes all the Schobel years. Got to consider the round these guys were taken in. If Carrington is close to Hansen, then it was a great pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 As Buffalo Jesus said, there won't be anything to go on with Carrington (or Troup) or any of the linemen until the pads go on and the team at least starts some semi-contact scrimmaging. The linemen are just basically shadowing each other right now. An aside - The current staff was pretty dumb IMO, in announcing to the other 31 clubs that they would commit to a 3-4 before the draft. Same thing with the publicized "scatback" desire. Reminds me of the previous crowd that chirped about the "no-huddle" offense. The draft is in a way, like playing poker. Which I am miserable at - but I do know that keeping your cards close...matters. Interesting thought, Cinci. Speaking very generally, I like your idea about keeping draft information as scarce as possible even though I don't know how much benefit there really is in being this secretive. Probably not too much as other teams are probably adept at connecting the dots based on their own scouting and their evaluation of our team, coaching hires, etc. There may be some benefit, but I don't think a significant amount. Also you have to consider that the Bills are an entertainment entity. So counterbalancing the minimal benefit of extreme secrecy is the need to create a buzz, a dialogue, and an excitement for your product. Anytime Gailey or Nix says anything, we hungrily devour it like the obsessive fans that we are. So the Bills recognize the need to throw us bones to gnaw on from time to time. I think this is part of why they talk football publicly. It's to make sure that they feed our addiction from time to time. And I (and many others) love the blunt, straightforward style of the new football guys. One GM who is very similar along these lines is Bill Polian. His brutal honesty and frank and open comments to the media seemingly don't affect the Colts' success. But to your specific points, I agree though that they could have kept the 3-4 and the scatback comments under covers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilsner Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Similar words were spoken about '08's #3, DE Chris Ellis. We just have to wait and see...hope he hits the field better/quicker than Ellis. The BUF club hasn't had much of a sharp eye when it came to drafting DLs in recent years. An aside - The current staff was pretty dumb IMO, in announcing to the other 31 clubs that they would commit to a 3-4 before the draft. Same thing with the publicized "scatback" desire. Reminds me of the previous crowd that chirped about the "no-huddle" offense. The draft is in a way, like playing poker. Which I am miserable at - but I do know that keeping your cards close...matters. I agree with you whole heartedly. You never show your hand, unless it's a false hand to lure your opponents into a trap. Or even to show a true hand to give them false hopes, and then in the end take them for all they're worth. I don't think every FO is 100% perfect. Maybe this is a slight mistake that our FO made. Hopefully they'll learn from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaBill Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 I agree with you whole heartedly. You never show your hand, unless it's a false hand to lure your opponents into a trap. Or even to show a true hand to give them false hopes, and then in the end take them for all they're worth. I don't think every FO is 100% perfect. Maybe this is a slight mistake that our FO made. Hopefully they'll learn from it. i'm sorry, but I fail to see how mentioning that he wanted a scatback (which he got) or openly converting to the 3-4 is a problem. If anything picking up Spiller creates the opportunity to be more creative with the offensive sets. Also, considering that there are several diff't variations of the 3-4, i don't think it matters much that chan confirmed the switch. Now talking up the no-huddle last year was stupid, but these two situations are hardly comparable IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilsner Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 i'm sorry, but I fail to see how mentioning that he wanted a scatback (which he got) or openly converting to the 3-4 is a problem. If anything picking up Spiller creates the opportunity to be more creative with the offensive sets. Also, considering that there are several diff't variations of the 3-4, i don't think it matters much that chan confirmed the switch. Now talking up the no-huddle last year was stupid, but these two situations are hardly comparable IMO. Mentioning you want a scatback gives teams (such as the Giants) an idea that you want to draft a player such as Spiller (which from what i've read the Giants coveted) The Giants could have traded up for him. Also mentioning you are switching to the 3-4 indicates to every team what kind of front 7 you are interested in drafting. I would definitely keep this under wraps. I would never let on to any other team who i might draft. Would you ever give any indication to another team what position players you might be after? Unless you are trying to throw them off course which would be a strategic idea. I completely agree that Spiller is a great pick up. I don't disagree with u on that at all. I just think a smart team keeps it's drafting ideas incognito. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaBill Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Mentioning you want a scatback gives teams (such as the Giants) an idea that you want to draft a player such as Spiller (which from what i've read the Giants coveted) The Giants could have traded up for him. Also mentioning you are switching to the 3-4 indicates to every team what kind of front 7 you are interested in drafting. I would definitely keep this under wraps. I would never let on to any other team who i might draft. Would you ever give any indication to another team what position players you might be after? Unless you are trying to throw them off course which would be a strategic idea. I completely agree that Spiller is a great pick up. I don't disagree with u on that at all. I just think a smart team keeps it's drafting ideas incognito. and for all we know the scatback mention was bait for the giants which they didnt bite on. Hiring edwards was a dead give away that the 3-4 was on the way, I still don't think it was a big deal. with all the holes we had (qb, lt, wr, de, NT, etc) it was anybodys guess who we were gonna take. As far as the original topic goes, I love the pick of carrington (after finding out who he is) but, the success rate of top rd D-lineman is very low in yrs 1/2, so I am not getting my hopes up for this yr, however, in the future, I think we got a premier playmaker on the Dline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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