Doc Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 there is no libel when the statement is true Come now! This is a 3rd "crazy woman" just out to get Small Ben. Certainly he'd never betray WEO like that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 If he gets suspended i hope the players union goes nuts. I don't understand how you can suspend someone who isn't having charges pressed. People get fired for far less all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 I have no idea if he is guilty or not (and frankly I don't care) ... and neither do you. What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Or did I miss the part about that not being the case for famous people. A person's reputation is not subject to the innocent until proven guilty line. This is not a criminal court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkie Gerzowski Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 He looks like he would be good at running a manure farm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 He looks like he would be good at running a manure farm. One of my buddies on another board has taken to calling him Pig Ben. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 One of my buddies on another board has taken to calling him Pig Ben. Pig Ben, Rapelisberger...keep the names coming, he deserves everyone one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 he should demand his penalty IMMEDIATELY....(probably 4 games) the longer this takes, the more damaging info keeps coming out......he is approaching Pac Man territory of 1 year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 he should demand his penalty IMMEDIATELY....(probably 4 games) the longer this takes, the more damaging info keeps coming out......he is approaching Pac Man territory of 1 year. The stuff that's coming out about Small Ben makes that "expose" of Lynch by the Buffalo Snooze look like a joke. How sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 Or maybe she decided to cut her losses when she figured out she wouldnt get any money out of Ben, or decided she didnt want to be charged with Purgery. Face it, after the first completely bogus charge, Big Ben became a huge target for other scum bag gold diggers. I remember the Duke lacrosse team was crucified before anyone wanted to think that maybe, just maybe, they didnt do it! An evil plot by a 20 year old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS 56 Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 The guy is a primate that deserves everything the commissioner will throw at him. He is LUCKY he is escaping without charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 The guy is a primate that deserves everything the commissioner will throw at him. He is LUCKY he is escaping without charges. I'm still confused as to why people think he could be, or should be, punished by the commish. Is he a scumbag? Maybe, don't know. Did he rape any or all of these girls? Maybe, don't know. Is he brain damaged for continuing to put himself in these situations? Definitely. But you simply cannot punish someone because maybe they did something wrong. No matter how disgusting the thing he may have done wrong is. Some choose to believe the accusers. Some choose to believe the accused. I choose to wait and let the court decide. It's the only thing that makes any sense to me. Imagine what this society would function like if every accusation was considered as fact immediately. If it does not make it to court (and yes, paying off the accuser if the act actually happened sucks in a situation like this) you have to treat that as if nothing happened. It is very simple. It really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 I'm still confused as to why people think he could be, or should be, punished by the commish. Is he a scumbag? Maybe, don't know. Did he rape any or all of these girls? Maybe, don't know. Is he brain damaged for continuing to put himself in these situations? Definitely. But you simply cannot punish someone because maybe they did something wrong. No matter how disgusting the thing he may have done wrong is. Some choose to believe the accusers. Some choose to believe the accused. I choose to wait and let the court decide. It's the only thing that makes any sense to me. Imagine what this society would function like if every accusation was considered as fact immediately. If it does not make it to court (and yes, paying off the accuser if the act actually happened sucks in a situation like this) you have to treat that as if nothing happened. It is very simple. It really is. Courts have a role in society. Shame has a role too. Unfortunately when a sports hero is involved, the shame gets redirected to a 20 year old girl who was first isolated by a bodyguard and then trapped by a scum bag who has been documented using the exact same MO in the past. This redirection of shame is done so ESPN can keep making money. Courts should not be able to convict if there is a reasonable doubt. Shame is not a legal conviction, but a societal one. The NFL gets to decide whether Ben takes the shame or the NFL will take it for him. The shame itself should not go away through our complicity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 I'm still confused as to why people think he could be, or should be, punished by the commish. Is he a scumbag? Maybe, don't know. Did he rape any or all of these girls? Maybe, don't know. Is he brain damaged for continuing to put himself in these situations? Definitely. But you simply cannot punish someone because maybe they did something wrong. No matter how disgusting the thing he may have done wrong is. Some choose to believe the accusers. Some choose to believe the accused. I choose to wait and let the court decide. It's the only thing that makes any sense to me. Imagine what this society would function like if every accusation was considered as fact immediately. If it does not make it to court (and yes, paying off the accuser if the act actually happened sucks in a situation like this) you have to treat that as if nothing happened. It is very simple. It really is. Did you hear or read the police report... Graphic stuff dude, I dont have a link but i have heard some of the stuff reported. You and I would both be fired on the spot if we were at a public company, and had 2 events in teh same manner as these. Why should he be treated any different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 I'm still confused as to why people think he could be, or should be, punished by the commish. Is he a scumbag? Maybe, don't know. Did he rape any or all of these girls? Maybe, don't know. Is he brain damaged for continuing to put himself in these situations? Definitely. But you simply cannot punish someone because maybe they did something wrong. No matter how disgusting the thing he may have done wrong is. Some choose to believe the accusers. Some choose to believe the accused. I choose to wait and let the court decide. It's the only thing that makes any sense to me. Imagine what this society would function like if every accusation was considered as fact immediately. If it does not make it to court (and yes, paying off the accuser if the act actually happened sucks in a situation like this) you have to treat that as if nothing happened. It is very simple. It really is. A refresher on the Personal Conduct Policy, for those who didn't memorize it during our conversations about Marshawn: It is not enough simply to avoid being found guilty of a crime. Instead, as an employee of the NFL or a member club, you are held to a higher standard and expected to conduct yourself in a way that is responsible, promotes the values upon which the League is based, and is lawful. Persons who fail to live up to this standard of conduct are guilty of conduct detrimental and subject to discipline, even where the conduct itself does not result in conviction of a crime. For some insight into Goodell's thought process (and a shameless plug): http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/index.php?showtopic=67753 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 Did you hear or read the police report... Graphic stuff dude, I dont have a link but i have heard some of the stuff reported. You and I would both be fired on the spot if we were at a public company, and had 2 events in teh same manner as these. Why should he be treated any different? I would not be fired for simply being charged of a crime. I doubt you would either. Unless it was a crime against humanity like becoming a cheatriats fan. Then I would of course deserve it. A refresher on the Personal Conduct Policy, for those who didn't memorize it during our conversations about Marshawn: For some insight into Goodell's thought process (and a shameless plug): http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/index.php?showtopic=67753 Wow! That's even more open ended than the patriot act!!! So basically it is up to the whim of the commish. Nice. promotes the values upon which the League is based How does making money (which is the main value upon which the NFL is based) apply here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 How does making money (which is the main value upon which the NFL is based) apply here? That answer should be obvious: It gets harder to promote the league when one of its superstars is behaving badly. How many advertisers will still want to do business with Roethlisberger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stampede Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 the only thing that you must agree with is that he is guilty of having the continuing misfortune of constantly providing "bad press". after a while people will start to wonder. and now there is a third accusation? maybe they are all just gold digging and if that is the case wouldn't he try to avoid those scenarios? can't he see this for himself? i don't know what happened with these women and neither does anyone else on this board. i hope the truth does come out some how. anyway i read about this latest development on the usa today site and just had to include this parody that a reader responded with: "BR...stalking the night clubs for victims.......Animal Planet should do a show on him....The croc hunter :Crikey There e is......a monster....the biggest bi-pedal predator to walk the earth.......and look at his beady shifty eyes....those allow em to survey the plains of the niteclub serengeti.....I would like to capture em...but e is too big and could quite possibly rape me.....is type are known for their hyper-sexuality.....but fortunately for me I'm not inebriated.....the inebriated are the most vulnerable and they are the favorite target for this massive beast....usually they work in packs to corral the victims..and like any other pack ...the alpha male dines first..crikey e's got one.....a little drunk female.........I'll shut off the cameras as it is too horrific a sight to see..." i must admit shame for laughing at this because the accusations are anything but! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 That answer should be obvious: It gets harder to promote the league when one of its superstars is behaving badly. How many advertisers will still want to do business with Roethlisberger? With him directly? Probably most but I imagine some would back off. With the NFL? All advertisers would stay of course. Remember the Vick stuff at the beginning of last season? All of the "not on my team" stuff you read. Remember people thinking advertisers would drop off etc. Did it adversely affect anything? Not in the least little bit as far as I can tell. And Vick was convicted, not just accused. You honestly believe one player on one team in the NFL is going to be able to stop advertisers from wanting to reach out to all those couch potatoes watching the NFL Sunday afternoons and Monday nights? Not on your life. And even if by some quirk in the universe the people would stop watching games because of this, and advertisers dropped out in droves and the TV contracts dried up, do you think suspending said scumbag player for a couple games would change that? That is not the world we live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 I would not be fired for simply being charged of a crime. I doubt you would either.Unless it was a crime against humanity like becoming a cheatriats fan. Then I would of course deserve it. Wow! That's even more open ended than the patriot act!!! So basically it is up to the whim of the commish. Nice. How does making money (which is the main value upon which the NFL is based) apply here? If i heard correctly but i may be mistaken, Are the Steelers going to be fined, i though i heard that on the radio. If thats the case and he is costing his employer $$$ based on his actions, he should get suspended. Anyone should be fired for that. We should get a chainsaw and self annex the state of Mass altogether. Another thing that seems intriguing is that Ben never came out with a convincing i did not do this statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 Wow! That's even more open ended than the patriot act!!! So basically it is up to the whim of the commish. Nice. Where were you when Lynch was getting suspended, which was "up to the whim" of Sir Roger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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