bills44 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Affirmative conclusions from negative premises never get old. Here's another one. No team wins a Super Bowl without a great QB, and Jeff Hostetler won a Super Bowl, ergo Jeff Hostetler was a great QB. how about affirmative conclusions from false premises? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 how about affirmative conclusions from false premises? Seems logical, doesn't it? (And, yes, I also believe it is a false premise, fwiw. It belongs in the same category as saying a coach is only as good as his QB.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Not surprising. Why would we want a veteran on the offensive line? Pssssh, having an experienced, knowledgeable, offensive lineman is overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 how about affirmative conclusions from false premises? Here's a more positive one and for which the premises are less, shall we say, subjective. No team from Detroit has won a Super Bowl, and the Buffalo Bills are not from Detroit, thus the Buffalo Bills will win the Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Whats not to like about him? I mean he's a youthful 36 years old that surely would be able to recover from microfracture surgery on his knee, that every single NFL team passed up on, with a cost that would only be 500% higher than Merediths, so that we could make a strong push for another strong season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Whats not to like about him? I mean he's a youthful 36 years old that surely would be able to recover from microfracture surgery on his knee, that every single NFL team passed up on, with a cost that would only be 500% higher than Merediths, so that we could make a strong push for another strong season. Some needs to explain that to Runyan, I guess - he apparently thinks that no feedback is 'no feedback'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Admiral Pike? Beep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthICE Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Hell no there wasnt' a reply from us, that would take away some of that money Ralph gained from cutting Walker etal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Hell no there wasnt' a reply from us, that would take away some of that money Ralph gained from cutting Walker etal And the reason the other 31 NFL teams have no interest in him is...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Could the Bills use him, yes Is he better then the starters, yes But, have the Bills tried older experienced veteran lineman only to see them fail, yes The Bills don't want to pay this player very much and don't want any disruptions on the team, the only way they would sign him is if they start winning more games and someone gets injured. With a playoff berth looming and lack of players at the position might induce them to make a move, otherwise they let the new guys play and let them get experience. Let's face it, this team isn't going anywhere and will do no better then 7-9, why overpay for a player unless they really need to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Affirmative conclusions from negative premises never get old. Here's another one. No team wins a Super Bowl without a great QB, and Jeff Hostetler won a Super Bowl, ergo Jeff Hostetler was a great QB. So was Mark Rypien, Doug Williams, Trent Dilfer, that quarterback for Tampa Bay (Brad Johnson?)....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 who cares I'd rather go young then get him. Are we a + .500 team with him? No, so put in the young guys in and let them get playing time. ^^^what he said^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Affirmative conclusions from negative premises never get old. Here's another one. No team wins a Super Bowl without a great QB, and Jeff Hostetler won a Super Bowl, ergo Jeff Hostetler was a great QB. Who made that claim? If someone did, he/she is dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 True that we want to give the young guys playing time. Since we're the least experienced line in the NFL, I thought his experience could be beneficial to their formation. I'd imagine he has a mental notebook of tips on how to handle different defensive linemen, albeit mostly in the NFC, that you might not always be able to pick up on film. Ya there called coaches.... we have a few on payroll already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Ya there called coaches.... we have a few on payroll already Yea, and those coaches have a history of not being able to tell a great player from an ordinary player. Every year Jauron has overhauled the offensive line and changed several linemen, this year it is a total overhaul and they shed all the older experienced veterans. The line wasn't particularly good with the experienced players, so they went to a youth movement. What this coaching staff fails to realize is ... constantly changing the linemen kills the continuity and it will never get better. Darn shame the Bills went DE and took project Maybin instead of Michael Oher, that line could have really improved and would lack only one tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Could the Bills use him, yes Is he better then the starters, yes But, have the Bills tried older experienced veteran lineman only to see them fail, yes The Bills have paid average veteran OL like All-Pros to come play here. They have also paid veteran backups well to come here and play. In the former case, these investments turned out to be more poor decisions. Derrick Dockery not only wasn't an All-Pro, his play regressed from the average while he was here. But, the "hey we tried that and it didn't work" excuse is empty. Will all veteran lineman fail? Is any kid straight out of college always going to give your team a better chance to win than any veteran? Is experience worthless? Does crystal ball potential always trump actual accomplishments? Does saving as much money as you can on the OL give your team the best chance to win? If you answer all these questions 'Yes', then you probably would subscribe to the delusional "logic" that "hey we tried having some experienced veteran lineman before" so we don't need anyone with experience now. The Bills don't want to pay this player very much and don't want any disruptions on the team, the only way they would sign him is if they start winning more games and someone gets injured. With a playoff berth looming and lack of players at the position might induce them to make a move, otherwise they let the new guys play and let them get experience. Let's face it, this team isn't going anywhere and will do no better then 7-9, why overpay for a player unless they really need to. And, there you see through the marketing slogans. T.O. was brought to Buffalo to get the Bills into the playoffs, or so goes the marketing hot air. On the other hand, the OL doesn't sell tickets so they can pull a 180 degree turn and throw out all the experienced lineman and bring in all rookies, because "why overpay" when you're built to be an also-ran, toiling in mediocrity, getting ready for next year sort of franchise. Roll the rock up the hill for 6, 7, maybe 8 wins and kick off the next marketing campaign... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Yes, but again, why is Runyan still unemployed? Can anyone answer that simple question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Yes, but again, why is Runyan still unemployed? Can anyone answer that simple question? Well, let's see Mike Shanahan doesn't have a job in the NFL. Maybe he sucks and can't coach. Runyan was injured, may not be as healthy as he claims, and may not be willing to come back for what teams may be willing to offer. Derrick Brooks is unemployed. Marvin Harrison is unemployed. Over 100 guys in the NFL last year are out of the NFL this year. Who !@#$ing knows what 32 different front offices are thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Well, let's see Mike Shanahan doesn't have a job in the NFL. Maybe he sucks and can't coach. Runyan was injured, may not be as healthy as he claims, and may not be willing to come back for what teams may be willing to offer. Who !@#$ing knows what 32 different front offices are thinking? Terrible example Mike Shanahan chooses to not being a coach at this time. Next year he will be choosing in which team he coaches. (Out of the teams that need a coach) Whereas Runyan wishes he had a job, but 32 teams have chosen not to employ him. Big Difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Well, let's see Mike Shanahan doesn't have a job in the NFL. Maybe he sucks and can't coach. Magox deftly answered this part. Runyan was injured, may not be as healthy as he claims, and may not be willing to come back for what teams may be willing to offer. Derrick Brooks is unemployed. Marvin Harrison is unemployed. Over 100 guys in the NFL last year are out of the NFL this year. Who !@#$ing knows what 32 different front offices are thinking? Seems like they're thinking he sucks now and isn't worth signing. So what's your beef with the Bills not signing him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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