Big Turk

Cook fumbles on the first play of the game. Davis has a ball literally hit him perfectly in stride right around his face and go straight thru his hands for an INT inside the Bronco 15 yard line. Kincaid has a ball hit him right in the hands perfectly in stride up by his face and go straight thru his hands on 3rd down that would have been a nice conversion and forced a punt. Diggs has a drop on a nicely thrown ball that would have set up a 3rd and 2 and made Kincaid's 8 yard catch a first down instead of 4th and 2 and they punt again---or was that when they go for it on 4th down and he airmailed Shakir who was open? Either way, should never have happened and only did because Diggs dropped an easily catchable pass. Bills were great on 3rd down D the whole game until the last 2 drives when those flip passes right past Dorian Williams happened 2 times too many. 12 men on the field on a missed FG that would have won the game...like WTF was that? That was some Chan Gailey or Rex Ryan or Dick Jauron era stuff right there. Like c'mon man. Inexcusable.

Cook averaged 10 yards a carry(even with the fumble) and Murray had a few big runs also. Inexplicable why Dorsey sees the offense hum whenever they actually run the ball and commit to it versus Allen dropping back and passing every play but yet he continuously treats the running game like it's the red headed step-child of the offense.

IMO, him pulling double duty as DC has caused his oversight in other areas to wane and it's hurting them in terms of situational awareness and details.

No words. I feel like I am watching the Dick Jauron or Chan Gailey or Rex Ryan era Bills losing games in new and inexplicable ways every week. McDermott obviously CANNOT effectively manage both the DC and HC jobs. This season has basically turned into a crap show in terms of details and preparedness in situations, etc where they were mostly buttoned up before(at least during the regular season). He used to be the Anti-Ryan or Anti-Jauron in that he would make the other teams make those mistakes against us in key situations. IMO, the first thing that needs to happen TONIGHT is McD needs to hand over play calling responsibilities to a defensive coach and have him audition for DC the rest of the year. Too much stuff is going awry and it's not a coincidence it's all happening the year he tries to pull double duty.

Going to likely be without Higgins again and now Trey Hendrickson who will miss at least a few weeks with a hyperextended knee and waiting on MRI results to ensure it's not anything more than that. That's a tall order...but as we've seen, these inter-division games can really go any which way. EDIT: MRI came back clean, no other damage.

Fins signed WR Anthony Schwartz to their PS, ran a 4.27 second 40 yard dash time and was the world record holder of the fastest 100 meter dash of any person under 18 years old. Not saying the Bills need to build a track team but they need to start getting faster...seems every team is adding speed first and the Bills are still looking at other things with speed a distant requirement. Speed without the ability to play football well doesn't help much, but more speed when you already have a ton of players who are super fast and can play football well really puts stress on a defense. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/dolphins-sign-wr-anthony-schwartz-144526230.html

Yup, but Cincinnati is in the same boat...they only have one conference win(against us unfortunately)

Yup...typically it's a person the HC really trusts and they likely are being "trained" to become a HC at some point and assists the head coach in some of the more "grunt work" duties of a HC.

The truth is the Bills margin for error is at it's slimmest margin since 2020. Teams no longer even have to play their best game or have the Bills make tons of stupid mistakes/penalties/etc to be able to beat us. Now the Bills can actually play decent enough without TO's and still just lose.

CJ Stroud is going to be a problem sooner rather than later. He already has leapfrogged Trevor Lawrence in that division. They are a lot of fun to watch...kinda like the Bills were in 2020. Throwing the ball all over the place, tons of people involved. Likely will slow down once teams get a better read on him and the offense by middle of next year, but he is for real.

Not a chance in the bloody pit of Hades a team is going to hire a guy and pay him $6-8 million a year and then hire a "Nanny" for him on top of that because he is incompetent at 90% of the job.

You cannot be serious with that. That's not how things work in life or any other job that I have ever been a part of.

He doesn't, but it must be really miserable to have to work with him and people are likely waiting for him to be gone at this point. His style works when you are winning, not so well when you aren't. All the other great coaches in that style found that same thing, Parcells, Knox, Noll etc. Nobody wants to listen to that crap when they are getting their heads bashed in every game and you don't have the answers to fix the problems.

Look. I don't care how good his offense is, being a coordinator and being a head coach are almost 2 completely different jobs. One is 90% fully X's and O's and the other is maybe 5% X's and O's and the rest people, off-field issues, holding others accountable, delegating properly with knowing when to hand tasks off and knowing when you need to step in and take charge and other management related issues. It's why so many coordinators are great at what they do but can't manage all the other parts of what they need to do as a head coach. It's like going from running a single store to being a CEO of a 5,000 store chain. No different than how there are a lot of really great assistant managers who are awesome running the store for a few days while a manager is gone but then they get promoted to run their own store and all the other things like doing P&L's, inventory, ordering, etc that they never really had to be fully responsible for as an assistant or only did bits and pieces of it and they fail miserably. He HAS to have the skills required as a HC first and foremost. No matter how good he is as an OC, he will fail miserably if he doesn't have the needed skills.

Belichick's leash with things must be almost non-existent at this point. He must be taking out his frustrations on everyone around him constantly. Think he knows it's only a matter of time now.

They are also still 7-2 and leading the AFC because they now have an elite defense. Basically they have become what we were last year although slightly less good on offense.

The title does not accurately depict the topic of this thread, you should probably change it to make it reflect that.

They are showing what is happening in this specific game against the Bengals. But it seems the issue is that Dorsey does not evolve as the season goes on and so once teams start determining what the Bills are doing, there isn't much else that he has "up his sleeve" so to speak to counter that. What worked a few games ago is not going to work as well over the next few games if you don't have anything else other the same type of route combos without any window dressing to at least make them think it's something else.

Because it means the throws he is consistently having to make are much harder throws/completions than other QBs are being asked to make. Which means, when he isn't performing exceptional and maybe only "average", he is going to look not great. Whereas, if his throws were easier more often, we would not get in situations against good teams where they are able to prevent some of these since they would be easier plays to complete to begin with. Essentially you are taking the floor up higher which then moves the ceiling up higher whereas right now with the floor being so low, against good teams, the ceiling also is lower. Which is why it is starting to remind me of the Fitz offense under Gailey, because that's exactly what happened with them...start out the year hot and putting up big point and yardage totals, then teams figure it out and they basically might score early then not do anything until the 4th quarter, or not do anything early and only score in the late 3rd/4th quarters... Bills have played from behind probably double the amount of time ALREADY this year than they did all of last year combined for the whole season.

This also seems to be an issue...Allen is far outperforming what the "average" would be with things most weeks. Dorsey needs to get that average trending upwards so when he far outperforms it, it is like the Dolphins game.

I mean they set themselves back big time by re-signing him...he was their Tyrod Taylor(ironic since they also have Taylor)...get them to the playoffs, then dump him, go to your backup for a year(or move up high enough to draft a QB), get a high pick and then pick your QB. They tried to short circuit it by re-signing Jones to a ridiculous QB contract based on 15 TD passes. The Bills plan was there for them to follow and they chose to try and get greedy and not go thru any pain. Except now they are both going thru pain and they have no way out of the contract for at least another year or two. They are literally nowhere and are in danger of turning into the drought Bills.

By the letter of the law, it's the "right" call, but literally you could call this 5 times or more every game. Almost never see it called and it's pretty interesting that it gets called in this situation to knock them out of FG range. Collinsworth was flabbergasted at the call and explained that it is an option route where the QB thought he was going to continue deep and the WR hooked it up and that happens all the time. The Rules Analyst tried to explain that it doesn't matter and that if the ball was "overhead" it won't get called but he thinks it was too far away to be "overhead". Seems like he was really stretching especially since Allen wasn't under duress on the play which is the point of intentional grounding...he is throwing the ball away to avoid a sack.

I'm wondering have the Bills tried to go back to more zone runs versus the gap scheme which is what actually is what is effective for the last 4 years and they seem obsessed with trying to get zone runs working but without fail they end up going back to gap scheme more often again...seems like the run game has really tailed off and I would bet it's going away from gap runs that has caused it.

This is pretty interesting stuff and talks about some issues with the offense in more detail and to why they are happening... points made: 1) Dorsey's efficient offense is limiting Allen 2) Dorsey seems to be light on details and it usually seems to happen when it matters most. Details matter, especially against good teams/defenses. 3) Dorsey has nothing "built" on top of his regular plays to hit chunk plays once they run them multiple times in a game. No layered concepts. Defenses are willing to give these easy plays to teams now to protect against bigger plays knowing they eventually will screw up or get aggressive. Also ends up shortening the game by our own hand. Dorsey accepts these too often without trying to scheme up bigger gains. 4) Too often the playcalls require Allen/Diggs to do something exceptional because the plays aren't designed to work against the coverage that is being shown(ie, having no man beater concepts for a play against a 1 high man coverage look) 5) Offense seems to lack direction and sometimes it makes you wonder what the "purpose" of a play was in the situation it was called in because it doesn't accomplish anything. 6) Dorsey seems happy to take what the defense is giving without aggressively attacking like Daboll did often times. Hard to continually score with 12+ play drives. Need some explosives at some point. 7) Dorsey is not scheming up any explosive plays for the Bills too often. 8 ) Allen is not without fault. Sometimes he isn't making smart plays. 9) Players must be getting frustrated because too much of the heavy lifting is done by the players on the field and not on the OC with the play design.

Based on last night? What game were you watching? He is the only reason why the Bengals didn't have over 30 points. Dude was all over the place on pass breakups.