Big Turk

So when Diggs was tearing things up averaging 86 yards a game over 11 games with 7 TDs under Dorsey and then became a complete non-factor under Brady I am supposed to believe that he suddenly forgot how to get open?

Did you not remember that last season under Daboll? That team looked bad for most of the time leading up to the playoffs on offense and then exploded for the greatest 2 game run on offense of any team in NFL history.

BBB strikes again!

Even under Daboll...the worst offensive game of the Allen era was the 9-6 debacle against an atrocious Jags team. The defense was helping win a lot of those games during the most part of the year in Daboll's last season. Couldn't run the ball effectively, Allen pressing too much ,etc...

Got to this off-season or it will be like a Dorsey situation going into next year again. He has been figured out and he doesn't have enough answers in the pass game. The biggest issues at WR are the concepts, schemes and route combinations and nuances involved. Other teams can figure out ways to get players open, Brady routinely struggles too often. He doesn't know how to use boundary receivers properly. Diggs was a non-factor under him after averaging 86 yards a game under Dorsey. Davis has multiple 0-0 games where he was a blocker. It's unacceptable that he cannot figure out how to use what he has properly. He does a lot of things good but what he doesn't do well is what is killing him because it's a key to being able to consistently win in the NFL. He forces Allen to play the game on hard mode too often in the passing game when it shouldn't be like that.

Pass concepts are both not well designed for the most part and the ones that are like Mesh are highly overused and predictable in obvious situations. Brady tendencies combined with inability to properly scheme good concepts overall in the pass game are a major problem Essentially like the last 6 years, in year 2 the OC gets figured out, he has no real answers against really good defensive teams and the offense looks disjointed far too often as a result.

Khalil Shakir for multiple years had the highest separation rate against man coverage in the NFL. Now all of a sudden he can't win against man? Not buying it. We have Gregg Roman 2.0 Great run concepts, bad pass concepts

Think it's been a problem repeatedly since 2020...OC starts out, looks amazing year 1(year 2 for Daboll but Allen really came out in 2020 in a way nobody ever saw before), gets figured out at some point early in year 2 and doesn't have the answers to fix the issues, leaves, new OC takes over...he looks great year 1 and then year 2 gets figured out with no answers and we regress.. Win totals last 5+ years: 13-11-13-11-13-11? Daboll->Dorsey->Brady The issue is we haven't hired an OC that has enough answers once their best gets figured out and they have to adjust to what defenses are doing to them.

I'm still arguing that Brady makes it much harder on this offense than it needs to be with his overuse of Mesh in high leverage situations and inability to scheme up proper passing concepts that lead to space for players. These WRs might not be great in terms of overall ability, but they are certainly better than what Brady has made them look.

Even they know the NFL is better with Allen in it

You already know I am....I love Hallmark Xmas movies in general...it's like you already know the entire plotline before it starts but it just sucks you in anyway 🤣

You are not a pro athlete...the treatment and surgical recommendations are far different between normal people and athletes. Athletes routinely have surgery for things that normal people would just let heal on their own to get them back faster and/or strengthen the injured area to help prevent reoccurrence.

Yes, this is silly

Something almost unfathomable... This is the 3rd straight Prime Time loss now, something the Bills and Allen typically have excelled at.

Daboll isn't coming back and his offense had lots of issues too, namely that our run game too often was stuck in the mud for long stretches...let's not look back with rose colored glasses.

I think you are just seeing that it's very hard year to year to be consistently great in the NFL. The odds are stacked against you in every way possible. What the Bills have done is not common, and while some struggles can be seen as a step back, it's really not much different than in 2023 or even 2021 at this point of the season. In 2023 we were 6-6. Nothing matters until the playoffs really. I mean sure the 1 seed would have been nice but that's likely not happening now.

Wouldn't have really mattered as Davis was called for OPI

Doesn't really matter what we think, it's what happens usually. Allen ignites to another level during that time usually. In the 13 seconds season, Allen has the best 2 playoff games combined in NFL history in one post-season. The weeks before that were bad a lot of the time and they really struggled offensively a lot.

It's just a continuation of the 13-11 pattern we have been in for the last 5 years 13 wins and looking unstoppable most games during one season followed by 11 wins the next season with lots of struggles along the way. Then back to 13 the next year. But come playoff time, none of it seems to matter, they kick into gear.

I remember in 2020 when the Bills used to eviscerate the top D's in the NFL.

All good things must come to an end

I mean the Chiefs stocked their D pretty effectively drafting lower than we were.

I mean the Eagles do it far more than the Bills do, as do other teams...it's just a way to fit things under the cap

They allowed 261 yards of offense and 3 points in the 2nd half when a turnover already put them in FG range. Think you are not being realistic. That game was on the offense...they got chance after chance after chance in the 2nd half and kept squandering them.

For reference that was on the 4th and 1 run to Cook that got stuffed when Brady decided to run Cook 4 straight plays and don't get the 1st down...