Rockinon

I was just going to look for that info. Thanks. I am in no way whatsoever agreeing with the "Batten=Paup" in the thread title but people like to write players off as if they are insignificant to the point where it all begins to sound like white noise to me. The negativity is just nauseating. Batten is like having an extra draft pick this year since he never played last year. So is there something to be positive about? Yes, I believe there is. And he was one of the players that stood out to me in training camp.

OK, but don't spread that around.

I step away from the computer for a few minutes and come back to find that you are all ready repeating yourself. Wow. I love how you immediately assume that someone doesn't know what they are talking about because you can't find some internet resource to justify it. Maybe you need to step away from the computer too. You know, get out of the house and find something useful or entertaining to do. I saw Batten in person at training camp and the kid was flat out bringing it. I fully expect you to blah, blah, blah some more on the subject and to further repeat yourself because you don't seem to think before you start ranting. When you see something with your own eyes, things tend to be more convincing. Batten would have made the team before Moats and it is that simple. Seeing is believing. I'll tell you something else. Batten was projected to be an outside linebacker and was asked to learn inside linebacker last year. He is learning both and there is a very good chance that he will go back to the outside this year. Because of last years injury he will likely have to play second fiddle this year, but if someone goes down, don't be surprised if Batten is the first name called on to fill in.

Did it ever occur to you that letting Lynch go might have been the best thing for him? I really liked his running style and at the time, I also thought the Spiller pick was ridiculous. The thing is, once you have earned yourself a bad reputation, it takes a very long time to put that behind you. NFL careers are very short. He needed a second chance, yes. But maybe for all parties concerned, he is better off where he is, a place where he can get a fresh start.

Batten did have a roster spot locked up before he got injured. He was clearly one of the better looking LBs at that time. Will that actually translate on game day? We'll see. He has had a full year to learn the defense which will help, and he could be a pleasant surprise for us. But Batten=Paup is a reach.

I seem to recall Fletcher being missed afterward. It would be a mistake to let Poz go now. He is now entering his prime. Of course I also think we should resign Whitner, so what do I know?

What is interesting, is everyone is assuming he will be a nose tackle which given his size, a perfectly reasonable assumption. He did however play offensive tackle his last two years in college and was more than athletic enough to do so, staying in on every down. Could he be a road grader? Most look at his size being a fit for NT, but don't be surprised if he is given some snaps at OT too. He may very well be a Jason Peters like surprise only at right tackle. I think Gailey has a propensity for thinking outside the box and may very well find a place for someone like this and it may not be what any of us expect.

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If it was just a matter of not wanting to say something bad about the starting QB like the way it was with say Edwards,I'd agree, but that is not what is happening here. There are articles all over the place from several players and from the coach. The offensive linemen, receivers and running backs have had a lot of positive things to say. This is not just supporting the QB because he is their QB, this is supporting the QB because they actually believe in him. Read up on some of this stuff. I know a lot of people are stuck on their sometimes impressive knowledge of statistics but the buck doesn't stop there. They do not tell the whole story. Fitz has brought this group closer together and it's easy enough to see if you're willing to look. I stand by my positive outlook, not because I just blindly think Fitz is going to prove to be a world class caliber QB. I am just seeing evidence that good things are happening. There is a sense of commitment that wasn't there before. Watching Fitz play the game you can tell he is no Rogers, but there are certainly enough signs to keep a positive outlook. What I saw from Fitzpatrick was a QB that was as good as half the starters in this league, which is pretty impressive considering he didn't begin as the starter. In fact, he never has been the starter at the beginning of the season at any point in his NFL career. He earned the chance last year and it will be interesting to see what he does this year. I'd like to see him with a couple of good TEs, so I don't think the whole picture is rosey, but I do like Fitz as the starter.

I bet Troupe is feeling some pressure. Hope both Troupe and Jasper are nasty. Competition is good.

Harvey, I have to agree with you concerning the TE position. Yes, he can help with the run and also be a good red zone threat. The other thing that the TE or H-back does is help to disguise the play that is called. And we have been without one for a very long time. The spread offense is great, but damn we could use a few more tools in the shed. Defenses will get wise to our spread option pretty quick if we don't start mixing things up with a TE or, god forbid, 2 TEs.

I'm sorry, but your stat argument is weak. Stats can be used to make an equally opposing argument. Just like your weak argument on Evans liking Losman. I don't think you can find a single person in this entire organization that doesn't think Fitz can get the job done. Of course Evans liked Losman after achieving a 1000+ receiving year. You guys use stats like they are the only thing that matter or that even have any relevance. This entire team is backing Fitz including Evans but that doesn't seem to hold any water? Oh wait there aren't any notes that you can compare on the subject of having faith in his leadership, so all you can do is blather on about this stat or that stat. When will you guys start coming up with a more original and intuitive things to talk about? It's always franchise QB this and franchise QB that. You don't even know what a franchise QB is if you think it is all about the stats. Fitzpatrick is still the Bills' QB. Get used to it!

Let me see. The winner is determined by what? Who scores the most points. And what in the hell does Elway have to do with a discussion concerning Fitz? Nothing

Good post, John. I was thinking along the same line as well. If the defense goes from worst to top ten, even though Dareus has but 2 sacks all season, then I would say he makes a major impact. I believe a great player can makes those around him better, much like Fitz made the guys around him better last year.

I just don't understand your infatuation with all of these ridiculous stats. Chan Galey, Buddy Nix, Lee Evans, Steve Johnson and even a number of the offensive linemen have all expressed their faith in Fitz(I'll even find their quotes and post them if you like). I am certain I could come up with more names. Yet with all of this support, you still want to throw meaningless stats in the face of obvious progress. If you cannot see the improvement since Fitz took the reigns you are just plain blind. Add to that the effort to fix the defensive shortcomings of arguably the worst defense in the entire league, and you have the very real possibility of even more improvement by Fitz. Things are looking very good for this team but you are determined to undermine the faith that people have in a QB on the rise before he even gets a chance to step on the field again. Fitz is the Bills' QB. Get used to it!

I think I'm just going to post this every time I see people trash talking Fitz. Fitzpatrick is Bills' QB, get used to it. :devil: :nana: :lol:

Uh, does Probowl ring any bells. Hellooooooo!

Oh come on. Just how is that a factor with our horrible defense last year? If anything, the fact that Fitz was still able to score so many TD passes only makes his success even more remarkable.

What is an offense's job? To score points, right? What is a QB's job? To score points, right? Hello. Throwing touchdown passes is only the most relevant stat for a QB.

This. Apparently their shrink hasn't told them that they have an inferiority complex yet. Friggin' sissies.

Not even Heard? You may have to eat those words.

Once again? Man you have a serious case of tunnel vision.

2 of the 5 games you just listed, Fitz did not play in. Yea, that's not relevant .

Or not. Have to wait for a season.

There are a lot of them around and I have to agree with you, though we came to the same conclusion taking different paths. This is how you tell if a QB is any good. Scoring.