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I had that thought too. But it does seem like they would be pumping him up a little more publically if they wanted to increase his trade value.
You would think. But when have the Bills ever been savvy enough to pull something like that off?
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Exactly.Eh, high second or 1st, he's gone. Seems like a report to move up his price tag. He's a backup who's played 3 games behind maybe the greatest qb ever. Trade him now before he might get exposed and you can add to Brady's window, sadly.
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Do you think Patrick Willis or Luke Kuechly were worth their picks? Foster is drawing those comparisons from some scouts.
My original statement was probably a bit too broad. For example, I would almost never use a premium pick on a RB, but Zeke Elliott is an exception to that rule. Given the steep investment in Ragland, who is still an unknown, Foster seems like a luxury pick we cannot afford, but I suppose it would depend who else was still on the board.
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My point is that I would never use a premium pick on a linebacker who is not an edge rusher.
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Is Foster a pass rusher?Foster can play all 3 LB spots, he's not limited to ILB. Ragland could be the Sam or ILB in base D, Foster could as well, and Foster's athletic enough to be the WILL as well, he would actually upgrade the position as a whole and provide tremendous flexibility at the LB core. Foster would not have to leave the field no matter the situation, they could run base D in passing situations potentially.
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So, after spending three draft picks (including a second rounder) on ILB last year, we go ILB with the no. 10 pick in the draft this year? No thank you.The Dream! I Traded our 2nd for Denver's 2nd round pick & 3rd round comp pick. (2-12 for 2-19 & 3-37). CBS Board.
10: R1P10
LB REUBEN FOSTER
ALABAMA
51: R2P19
S OBI MELIFONWU
CONNECTICUT
75: R3P11
QB PATRICK MAHOMES II
TEXAS TECH
101: R3P37
WR ZAY JONES
EAST CAROLINA
156: R5P12
EDGE DEVONTE FIELDS
LOUISVILLE
171: R5P27
CB JALEN MYRICK
MINNESOTA
195: R6P11
K ZANE GONZALEZ
ARIZONA STATE
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if Shaq's shoulder issue was common knowledge before the draft, why was there zero mention of it in any of the pre-draft write-ups?Guys, I am not doubting that. They guy wore a shoulder brace all year and toughed it out so he wouldn't miss the post season. It was public knowledge he had a bad shoulder and played that way all year. Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just sayin.
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So it was a success!He traded all that for just a chance to move up? gutsy move by doug, good thing it paid off and we got to actually move up. -
No, he gave away two fourth round picks (this year's and last year's) for the chance to move up 8 slots in round 2 to pick an ILB who likely would have been available anyway.Actually he also gave away a 4th for Sammy and didn't he give up a 4th for Ragland?
True. The lack of compensatory picks is an indication that you are not drafting and developing a lot of frontline players. That means you aren't going to lose as many good players in FA AND you willl have to sign other teams' FAs to fill your own holes. Both of those things will result in fewer comp picks.I think Doug Whaley is the worst more than anybody, but causality seems to be at play here.
Do you think those winning teams have lots of comp picks because they have lots of good players and can't keep them.
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How'd that work out?are u sure , lol remember rob johnson
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They won't have to give up that much. Garappolo can be had for one of the Browns' 2d round picks, plus maybe a 4th or 5th. No one will trade a high 1st for a guy who's started 3 games.Cleveland will probably lose a 1st and 3rd to Patriots for Garropolo.
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That about sums up my view on it too.If the Bills spend a top ten pick on an inside linebacker after spending 3 picks the year before on an inside linebacker I will just turn off my tv.
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Unfortunately, Whaley is perhaps the GM most likely to give away picks to move up, and he can't trade with himself. He is certainly the only GM foolish enough to trade up for a LB.
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And the stats produced for other QBs do show plays left on the field? Or is Tyrod the only QB in the league who sometimes doesn't see open receivers?All of the stats produced for Tyrod Taylor doesn't show the numerous amount of plays he left on the field
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2 QB's have been listed in the last 33 years who got better after 6 years of suck.
Is that really how you would characterize Tyrod's career up to now?
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KC scored 24.3 ppg while Buffalo scored 24.9. Seems close right? Here is where I use the Tyrod hater argument...
KC had 5 defensive tds to Buffalos 3. Already the Defense spotted them 14 points.
KC D had 33 takeaways most in the league, Buffalo had 18. KC Defense gave them 15 extra possessions.
Buffalo played a harder schedule (.520 win % vs. .496)
How about some common opponent fun:
Tyrod gets killed for the Oakland game, The Bills scored 24 in that game. KC played them twice and scored 26 and 21 points.
Chiefs played the Jets and held them to 3 points. The Bills gave up 37 and 30 respectively.
Chiefs scored 19 against the lowly Jags, the Bills 28.
Are you including Tyreke Hill's special teams touchdowns?
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lol. He played 16 games twice in his first 6 years. I swear, the spin zone is getting better than ever.
How many times did Tyrod play 16 games in his first 6 years in the league?
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Alex Smith in 2016: 3636 yards, 20 tds, 8 ints
Tyrod Taylor in 2016: 3603 yards, 23 tds, 6 ints in what everyone says was a down year and reason to move on.
Tyrod is already as good as Alex Smith and maybe has potential to grow. Alex is who he is.
Smith also hurts the argument against Tyrod of who gets better after 6 years in the league. After 6 years Smith was almost out of the league. He got to start a lot over his first 6 years and only once passed for more than 3000 yards.
Smith has a worse career comp %, a high of 23 passing tds over 11 years and has only passed for more than 20 twice, a career QB Rating of 85.3 (TT is 92.3), and played a full season 3 times in 11 years.
You can't want to move on from Tyrod and simultaneously want Alex Smith. Smith got to play for Harbaugh and Andy Reid. Tyrod got to play for Rex.
This pretty much sums it all up. If the Bills dump TT for A Smith, it will be an indication that they still don't get it.
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I'm having a very hard time believing that Alex Smith would be an upgrade over Tyrod. He would cost at least as much, and he's six years older than TT. The world has definitely seen everything A. Smith has to offer as a QB, and it's not that great. Tyrod has started less than 30 games in the NFL and, IMO, he showed some significant improvement toward the end of 2016, once Sammy was playing again. This move would make little sense.
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And they were widely criticized for using a 4th round pick on cousins when they already had RGIII, the QB of the future.Washington could get quite a lot if they do have to trade him. What a weird scenario. They trade a ransom for RG3 and then take Cousins in the 4th round of the same draft. Then inauspiciously release RG3 after such disappointment, turmoil and controversy - all while Cousins blossomed into a FQB. Now they might be forced to trade Cousins and, if so, they'll likely get a bunch of picks back for him. You couldn't make that up.
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Watson < Goff.
Are you serious?
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You know what else doesn't win in the NFL? Greg Roman.
Or Rex Ryan, for that matter.
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It could make sense to some to dump Watkins because he might bolt. If this is what happens it means that Whaley should have been dumped this off season as well. Whaley built a team that was supposed to showcase Watkins as the center piece. If Whaley starts Cardale and trades Watkins it means that the team he built failed. Usually when a team "tanks" it is with a new GM. They are tanking because the last GM failed. Why the h*** would anyone trust Whaley to rebuild after tanking? If he got us to the point of desperation where we felt "tanking" is the only way to rebuild, why would he be the guy to help rebuild the franchise?
You make a strong point regarding Whaley, but I wouldn't call playing Cardale "tanking", because I don't think the intent would be to lose games for purposes of improving draft position. I would call it rebuilding by giving a young QB a chance to develop, while at the same time unloading some unpalatable veteran contracts (not that I would put Watkins in that category, of course). I would not be in favor or unloading Watkins because receivers like him don't grow on trees and, because of his injury history, I don't think the Bills would get enough in return for him to make it worthwhile. And Cardale will need help if he's going to develop.
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I do get it, and I understand that NC's schedule strength is a concern. I just think that in terms of judging a QB, the ACC is competitive enough to do so even if they have less top 25 ranked teams than the bigger conferences. Alabama and OSU have 2 of the premiere college football programs. How many of their QB's are starting in the NFL?
I'm just saying it's not as simple as looking at W/L or quality of opponents. Just look at Russel Wilson's stats against quality opponents when he was at NC State. More terrible than good there. Other than his great season with Wisconsin, he looked like a middling QB at NC State, which arguably had lower quality opponents.
Please. There's no way to discount Wilson's final year, at Wisconsin, which was capped by a phenomenal game in the Rose Bowl. Trubisky's thin body of work, which came against generally mediocre opponents, is definitely a concern: 6-5 against Division 1 opponents.
Very interesting "Tyrod/Trade/Option" article
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Yeah, I have to say, I think the Bills are playing this Tyrod thing pretty well, so far. I think the article is spot on and it's not inconceivable that someone would offer the Bills a first-round pick for Tyrod. I think there is almost zero chance he gets released.