mannc
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Only the US Supreme Court, but it's highly unlikely they would agree to hear a case like this.Good. Any more appeal avenues?
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Belichick has masterfully worked the system to stockpile lots of valuable picks, but his execution of those picks has been underwhelming, at best. There was one sixth rounder that covered up a lot of crappy picks over the past 10 years. That Gronk pick really hurts, though.http://grantland.com/the-triangle/bill-belichick-nfl-draft-new-england-patriots/
I hope everyone realizes......this is how you do it!
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That's well-stated, HOF Watkins, unlike your "Hogan sucks and would be a wasted pick" take. I partly agree and would love to take Cardale because of his unlimited ceiling and big body. But if you don't get him, I still think a more limited guy like Hogan makes a lot of sense because I put a lot of value on a Fitz/Frank Reich-type back-up QB. I think a guy like Driskell in the sixth or seventh is interesting too. And maybe Adams in that slot, or as a UDFA.
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Love: Laquon Treadwell
Noah Spence (Rd 2)
Hate: Reggie Ragland
Derrick Henry (Rd 2)
Expect: Shaq Lawson
Braxton Miller
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When did Treadwell become such a reach at 19? A couple months ago it was considered unlikely he would be available there. Did he get arrested or fail a drug test?Hate - any of the QBs or WRs unless they trade down to bottom of 1st
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It is incredible to me that a lot of folks here are perfectly content not to draft a QB and go into next season with EJ as the back-up again.Our current backup has proven that he can't even manage a game. He is a liability.
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I would say Cardale is no more raw than a guy who started only two seasons at the 1-AA level. i think the Eagles are taking a huge risk.
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Just keep posting your blanket "opinions", backed up by nothing whatsoever. Makes for a great read."Teams need a backup QB right?" - "Correct."
You must be a school teacher.
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Correct. With a competent backup QB, the Bills may well have made the playoffs last year. A quality backup QB is probably worth more than a solid starter at any other position. On some teams, a quality backup is indispensable.Why?
You know that teams need backup QBs right?
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This is precisely the drafting philosophy that has led the Bills to draft 4 QBs in the past 20 years. As we have seen, it is a formula for disaster.That of all the QBs discussed in this draft we'll be lucky if one capable starter emerges. That's just the reality. Every year we talk like there are 4-5-6 viable options and most of these guys are selling cars within 2 years.
That said do you really want the Bills to pass on a player who can realistically contribute to pick what is essentially a lottery ticket? I don't.
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Wow, you talk about him as if he can't hit the broad side of a barn. He has a career completion rate of 66% and a ypa of 8.5.Biggest point about that was the mechanics are not easy to fix. You take the guy on what he was because mechanics can regress to old habits when under pressure.
Kevin Hogan is a smart guy, I get that. I respect the fact that he's done as much as he has with such little talent. It's a testament to his preparation, coaches rave about how diligent he is in the film room. He just flat out can't throw a football accurately. He's a dagger through the heart in the red zone, his placement is so inconsistent that it's infuriating.
If Yolo sees this, he'll get what I mean. I look at Kevin Hogan the same way I looked at Kenny Guiton. Great guy, brings leadership, incredible teammate but you wouldn't want him taking the field for your football team.
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WEAKNESSES
Mechanics and footwork are a mess. Throws with a very wide base, a pitcher's stride and a protracted delivery.
So he's not draftable, I guess.
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He was not a game-manager at Stanford. And please remind me of all the first round picks Stanford has produced the last three years. They have good talent, but nothing close to the Tebow-era Gators. I'm not saying Hogan is the second coming of Andrew Luck, but he can be a very solid pro who plays in the league for ten years or more--Fitz or maybe a little better.I don't ever see him being a NFL starter except for an injury to a starter. Fitz has been forced to carry NFL teams for stretches, which he struggles to do consistently.
Hogan was not asked to carry his college team. I guess we'll see because you never know with Qbs. But I just don't see it.
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They are both white quarterbacks who won a lot of games in college. Therefore, Hogan won't cut it in the pros.I don't see any similarities at all between Hogan and Tebow.
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Then you did not read what I wrote.Everything you mentioned was about Stanford as a team and not Kevin Hogan as a quarterback. I'd venture to say that I'm not the one that needs to watch more football.
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If you think there are any parallels to be drawn between hogan and Timmy T then you have not seen many Stanford games in the past four years.Remember the last QB that had a weird throwing motion and had the 'all he does is win' fanfare behind him? Yeah, that worked out well.
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That must be why he was a four-year starter at one of the top programs in the country under one of the best coaches in the country, where he did nothing but win and complete a ridiculous percentage of his passes in a pro-style offense. He can also run, and he never was injured. Oh, I forgot--he's got kind of a funny throwing motion.It's like I'm in the twilight zone. Kevin Hogan fails the most basic premises of being a quarterback.
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Hogan might have the highest floor of any QB in this draft. The question is his ceiling. I would be happy if the Bills end up with Jones, Hogan or Prescott, in that order. I also see them coming off the board in that order, with Jones going as high as round 2. I originally thought Hogan was a late day 3 guy, but I now expect someone to take him in the third round. He does seem like a great fit for the Bills.
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Yes, whomever hired the guy should be blamed as well, but show me where Rex ever suggested that the existing personnel was not well suited to his scheme and that the Bills' defense would get worse before it got better. To the contrary, he told us we should expect a no. 1 defense last year. And yes, he should have been fired at the end of the season and he should be fired today, before he can do further damage.This is such a baseless pile. It's readily apparent that no discussions were had about Rex scrapping his playbook and changing to a base 4-3. If you hate the hire that's fine but blame the person/persons responsible for hiring a defensive minded coach who's principles went against everything your highly paid players excelled at.
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I'm pissed because Rex never would have been hired in the first place if he had said it would take two seasons to implement his scheme and that it would be necessary to overhaul the defensive personnel, to boot. That is emphatically not the bill of goods we were sold.You have to draft players that match what he is trying to do on defense
or do you just want him fired?
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Im not necessarily saying we shouldn't go defense (well, ok, I guess I am), but there are serious needs on offense as well--RT, #2 WR, and most importantly, another QB. RB depth, too, but that can be had late.Maybe, but we lost some in FA, let go of others, and have guys with extensive injury histories. Bradham, Mario, McKelvin, Tarpley all gone. How will AW respond? Is KW starting to fall apart? A lot of questions on that side of the ball if you ask me. I know we have added some guys, but none of them have proven to be anything more than depth at this point in their careers.
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I throw up a little in my mouth every time I see a mock with the Bills using their first three or four picks on defense. This was one of the top three or four defenses in the league a year ago. Has Wrecks really done that much damage that quickly?
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Great story. And say what you will about Belichick, but I doubt any other organization would support someone like this.
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Call me crazy, but considering that C. Jones is such a boom-or-bust option -- a guy unlikely to even be the backup for at least a year or so -- I would be all on board with the Bills taking a Kevin Hogan IN ADDITION to Jones, say in the last round or two. A guy like Jones has a much lower ceiling but could probably serve as a backup from day one. Meanwhile, in 2-3 years Jones is either starting or out of the league.
I would have no problem with that. See above.
2016 Draft QB thread
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Same here. Living on the West Coast, I have probably seen 25 Stanford games the past four years. I was not a Hogan fan after his first two years at Stanford, but he has improved a lot. I really like his toughness and the fact that he has thick, sturdy body that is able to take punishment. And I like his mobility/running ability, which I think is underrated. He would be a very good mid-round pickup for the Bills, or just about any team, for that matter.