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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20121227/black-monday-nfl-coaches-2012/?sct=uk_t11_a5
• Buffalo -- The Bills are expected to end the three-year Chan Gailey coaching era following this season's major disappointment, but the mystery in Buffalo is whether general manager Buddy Nix is also on his way out. Team CEO Russ Brandon is thought to be in favor of a full house-cleaning, but no one I talked to within the league had a great handle on whether Bills owner Ralph Wilson agrees.
Former Bills running back Thurman Thomas dropped a cryptic hint of changes to come within the organization via Twitter the other day, but no one seems quite sure what form a potential GM move would take. One option would be elevating assistant GM/director of player personnel Doug Whaley to the top job and commencing a coaching search after that change was made.
Another potential GM candidate would be Caldwell, Atlanta's well-regarded director of player personnel. He's from the Buffalo area, and would welcome the chance to help the Bills end their NFL-worst playoff drought, which stands at 13 seasons and counting.
As one NFL club executive explained, replacing Nix now is probably the smart move, because he has made it known the Bills will be aggressive in the search for the club's next starting quarterback, with Ryan Fitzpatrick not expected to return. "If you've got a GM who's hell-bent on getting a quarterback, you've got a guy who's at least in danger of giving up the farm to do so,'' the NFL club executive said. "A desperate general manager is the worst kind of general manager to have.''
Not quite right. Nix should be fired, among other reasons, because he has demonstrated that he is incompetent to select a franchise quarterback. The thought of him sifting through this years' crop of QBs is terrifying.
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I may as well join the choir. Name Stache the HC??? Talk of Aaron Williams starting next year?? 54 posts. You've got to be a troll
You don't think the talent level is better now than it was when buddy took over? Crazy talk
Absolutely not. The only area that is better is O-line, and it's still far from a standout unit. Despite all the drafting and free agent signings, the defensive front 7 is awful, worse even than before. The defensive backfield is about the same as it was under Jauron. WR is about the same--i.e., unacceptable. RB is about the same. QB is about the same--totally unacceptable and with zero effort having been made to upgrade the position. What evidence do you have that the talent is better now? The W-L record? They rarely got blown out during the Jauron years--now it's a regular occurrence.
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The way Nix has screwed up 3 drafts, traded away successful players, hired coaching staffs, lied to fans and media, oh and his "3 year plan", that has failed miserably, he doesn't deserve his job much less the right to choose a new coach. He needs to go and fast.
I could not agree more. I am amazed that many posters here are simply assuming that Nix will be around next year. That is a chilling thought, to say the least.
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Everyone seems to agree that this team is better, talent wise, than three years ago when Buddy came in.
You lost me right there. Anyone who agrees with that statement is not paying attention to what's happening on the field. There is no evidence for this statement. The Bills are over-matched against anyone with a .500 record, and several with sub-.500. Yes, Gailey is a dreadful coach, but so was Jauron. They stunk then; they stink now. Stop buying into the myth that Buddy has done a good job accumulating talent. We are better in some areas, and worse in others. There is still no semblance of a QB, despite ample opportunities to add several good ones. Nix has been a disaster and needs to be fired before Chan.
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A little more insult to injury
Look at the season Hilton is having in Indy.....yeah........ he was rated higher than Graham and picked afterwards.
Don't forget: Nix told us they HAD to move up to get Graham because there were no other WRs available who could stretch the field. He must be fired now.
Cousins should go on the list too I think.
If this team does not select a QB by round 2 at the latest Nix will once again miss the boat.
I am appalled by your assumption that Nix will be in charge of the 2013 draft.
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Good news. BTW did anybody hear the guy call in and tell Buddy Nix he was absolutely wrong? I was ROTFL
As someone who no longer lives in WNY, and is therefore not often exposed to Bills pressers, hearing the interview with this hayseed was a shock. Of course there is the stubborn ignorance of modern NFL football, which is by now well documented. But the idea that a billion dollar enterprise would put someone like this in charge of its football operations is stunning and tells you all you need to know about why this franchise has floundered, seemingly forever.
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if it was that obvious, he wouldve actually been taken that high. just saying.
a lot of qbs went before him. while it seemed like a gimme type of pick, if it was that clear - dozens of GMs would have made the move earlier. it wasnt just us that missed on him.
Rubbish. It was obvious and and lot of us were saying it at the time. No one is saying the Bills should have picked Wilson in the first or second round, although that would have been a bargain in retrospect. The fact is that the Bills were (or should have been) desperate for a QB prospect and saw fit to pass on Wilson in the third round. Instead, Buddy moved up to pick a WR who can't catch the ball and can't run a route. The rationale at the time was that there were no more speed receivers available in the draft, yet Chris Givens (Rams), Mohammed Sanu (Bengals) and AY Hilton (Colts) all were selected shortly after Graham and have all outperformed him by a mile.
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Telling that a team that already had a hall o fame Qb in his prime saw fit to invest a 3d in him but the Bills could not be bothered.
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So far so good for Cousins.
Not.
Guess that's why they play 4 quarters.
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so we should pass on a stud LB prospect to draft a 2nd round graded QB prospect in Rd1?
No Thank You.
I understand that we need to address the QB position, But we are sorely lacking any quality LBs. If we get a chance at one, we should grab him
I completely understand your point. The problem is, it is very difficult to grade out QBs in the draft and even more difficult to predict how high they will be drafted. Due to the premium associated with the position, the last two drafts have seen multiple QBs taken considerably higher than their "grades" would have suggested. As a result, it's very risky to trade down and still expect your QB to be there, even in the lower rounds. Given the number of other QB-starved teams in the league this year, I expect that trend will continue. The majority of the teams drafting in the top ten will be QB-needy, especially the Cards, Chiefs, and Jags. You can add the Jets to that list, too, although I doubt they will be drafting in the top 10. I would be surprised if they don't try to move up.
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I staunchly disagree with any draft approach that doesn't have us taking the best remaining qb on the board when our turn comes up. If the staff determines that the best qb for us doesn't meet the draft value point then move down a tad and take the qb you favor. If Barkley or any other qb has limitations that don't justify their selection then take a better prospect. Common sense dictates that you will get a better qb prospect in round one compared to a later round.
For this qb starved franchise it is more than a player value issue; it is a position value issue. That is the perspective that this staff has to take. How many qbs are we going to let pass that ultimately end up prospering on other teams? Enough is enough of this nonsense!
Unfortunately, you are right. That's the position Buddy left us in by inexcusably passing on Wilson/Foles/Cousins last year. A firing offense if I've ever seen one.
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You should have heard the talk radio in Baltimore this morning...the vitriol being spewed towards Cam Cameron AND Joe Flacco for that matter. You would have thought the Ravens were 4-9 or 3-10. They will not stand for mediocrity in that town. They may even look for a new QB in the offseason.
Yes, even teams who already have "franchise" QBs in place will draft a QB prospect as high as the third or fourth round to groom for the future or in case of injury. I remember a lot of folk here (and elsewhere) mocked the Redskins for taking Cousins in the 4th round, after paying a king's ransom for RG III. No one is laughing now.
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Marty Schottenheimer and hire Cam Cameron who was with him in SD to be his OC
And no I don't care about his playoff record. He turns teams around fast and is all about running the ball, tough defense and good special teams
Great. A re-tread who hasn't coached in the league in almost a decade, and plays not to lose. Unfortunately, that exactly who Ralph will probably hire.
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I'm generally satisfied with what Buddy has done -- the sole exception being that we haven't found a "QB of the future" to develop.
Other than that, how did you enjoy the limosine ride Mrs. Kennedy?
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They are definitely better than when Buddy got here and we know that they are just a piece or two away now.
And what is your evidence for this astonishing (but apparently common around here) belief?
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This guy is supposed to be the next great coach from the college ranks. I don't know much about him but the "talking heads" on TV love him. It would be nice to see the Bills out in front on a coaching hire and grab a guy like this..... if he's even interested in the NFL.
Agreed, but it will never happen. My theory is that the recruitment/hiring of Shaw is the reason the Chargers have told Norv his services will no longer be needed after this season. He would be crazy to take the Bills job over S.D., for lots of reasons. The Bills will hire a re-tread who is poorly adapted to the modern NFL--bet on it.
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His teams were in the top 11 in rushing yards for half his career in Philly... I don't think he's THAT pass happy
Reid is known, especially recently, for his abysmal game day and clock management decisions. He also has a tendency to "play the [alleged] percentages" and play not to lose--the same problems Chan has. Just ask a Philly fan. Reid would be absolutely the wrong direction for this team.
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Well, I guess you can say that about every team because they all passed on him multiple times. Kid's playing well but IMO, he is also playing in a great situation. Great running game and oline and a very good defense. A lot of games, the Seahawks aren't exactly lighting up the scoreboard (20 points/ game, 3 less than the Bills). When you have a defense that keeps you in games, it helps any QB.
When you have a QB who does not throw picks in key situations it keeps you in games, too.
I don't think anyone is saying the Bills should have taken Wilson in Round 1 (although that certainly would have been defensible, in retrospect), just that they should have taken him in round 3, when he was still available. Not very many teams passed on him in Round 3, and certainly no teams who were as QB-needy as the Bills. And of course the Seahawks picked Wilson in round 3 even though they had just spent big bucks on a QB in free agency. From what I understand, Buddy did not even consider taking a QB in round 3. Absolutely reckless and inexcusable.
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This is a common excuse for hindsight arguments. While it's possible hindsight does have some role in evaluating scouting departments and front offices, it certainly doesn't seem very useful. Looking back at past draft's IS a way to evaluate the FO, but there is a difference between making objective evaluations on the decisions that were made AT THE TIME, and using hindsight evaluation.
It seems far more accurate and useful to me, to judge them a little more objectively. Judge them on the success of the players they DID take, not the players they COULD have taken (This is the difference between objective evaluation, and useless hindsight).
Guys like Maybin, Troup, Aaron Williams have not worked out so well. The FO should be judged on the success or the failure of the guys they took, not the guys they COULD have taken instead , based on information learned AFTER they were drafted. Using hindsight (judgment based on information gained after the decision) is not very productive or useful in evaluation.
There could also be information that we aren't privy to that could be used in evaluation. For instance, if the scouting department had given Dalton and Kaepernick a very low grade BEFORE the draft, they could be evaluated on that. That is NOT hindsight.
It's so easy to say "this was right, that was wrong" based on information you learned AFTER the draft, but the excuse that it should be ok because you are "evaluating the FO" doesn't make any sense to me.
So you don't find it relevant, for example, that in selecting Maybin the FO passed on three other players at the same position who were drafted a few selections later and went on to almost immediate NFL stardom? You don't find it relevant that in drafting a second-team all-Sunbelt conference nose tackle, Buddy passed on a player who immediately became a huge impact player at a position of dire need for the Bills, and who happens to be from WNY? (And by the way, the Patriots apparently figured out that his back wasn't going to be an issue. Why couldn't the Bills have made the same assessment?) You don't find it relevant that in selecting a WR who was minimally productive at a non-major football program, Buddy passed on a potential QB of the future? Does it matter what round a player is selected in? Do you agree that Dareus would have a GREAT fourth round pick up, but as the third player picked in a draft full of pro bowlers, he is a bit of a disappointment? If the players who you could have selected are irrelevant, then it shouldn't matter at all what round a player was selected in, right?
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So exactly how do you judge a GM on whether or not he's done a good job? I'm guessing looking back at past Drafts and UFA moves is the way 99.9% of NFL Owners do it...Hindsight is 20/20...So what? It's Nix's job to have FORESIGHT...This way he does not have to get clobbered by hindsight and fired by Ralph...It's his job...We all get judged in hindsight on our decisions at work ..If I make a stupid decision...(which never happens btw...
)...The Owner of My Company is going to want to know why I decided that way...And guess what he's going to say if I tell him..."Well Boss...Hindsight is 20/20..."And no question I was OK with the Dareus pick...Thrilled as a matter of fact...But that kind of makes my point...I'm not an NFL GM...And if I could not see that AJ Green, Patrick Peterson, Julio Jones, JJ Watt, and Aldon Smith were going to be better Pro's than Dareus that's OK...I'm not getting paid millions of dollars to make those decisions...Nix is...And he blew the Williams Pick WAY worse than the Dareus Pick because even most casual fans KNEW that Fitz was not a Franchise QB...And when you don't have a Franchise QB it damn well better be your 1st priority in the Draft to get one...
And as for Andy Dalton...I game with a guy from Dallas that told me Dalton was going to be real good NFL QB when the Kid was a Jr...Believe me he reminds me of it on a weekly basis...So plenty of Folks knew...Just not Nix...Why? And even more importantly how in God's name could Nix and his Scouts think aaron Williams would be a better choice there for the future of this Franchise than Dalton or Kaepernick? Hindsight is s B word is it not?
Thank you! I'm so sick of the "hindsight is 20/20" mantra that so many people here relentlessly chant when anyone points out the obvious and indisputable incompetence of Buddy and Friends at OBD. It is their job to project the future, even though it's never a sure thing, and to do it better than their competitors do it.
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The problem with picking Dareus over Green is the fact that "franchise" WRs like Green don't come along very often, create matchup disasters for the other team, and are the most valuable players in the NFL besides franchise QBs. Much as Franchise QBs make a team immeasurably better, a true stud WR makes an entire offense better in multiple ways, even if he doesn't have a great QB delivering him the ball. GMs who understand the modern NFL get this and draft accordingly. (See Atlanta, trading up for Julio Jones). GMs who don't, end up picking "the highest ranked player on our board", and pay the price. (see Cleveland selecting Trent Richardson). Bottom line: even a great D-lineman, which Dareus definitely is not at this point in his career, is less valuable to a team than a truly great WR, which Green has already proven himself to be.
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While our LB core is in need of upgrade.....I am still to the point where I want them to be VERY agressive in getting that QB
the question is.....is there anyone in this next draft WORTH that
Surely there is someone in this draft who will become a quality starting quarterback in the NFL. The most important question is: "Is Buddy competent to identify who that might be?" Unlike last year, it does not appear that there will be any surefire superstar QBs available anywhere in the draft. It will take a skilled, forward-thinking GM to separate the wheat from the chaff. There is no reason whatsoever to trust Buddy's ability to do that. That's the main reason I am not comfortable having the Bills give up a ton of picks to move up in the draft.
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Even tho we need a QB to develop we need D more. Our LB's have to be the worst in the league right now.
So the question is D in the first round again??. Say what you want about Fitz, dude put points on the board. If we can play better Defense we have more chances to score.
I dont think there a QB like Luck in nexts yrs draft. So do we take the best MLB on the board? what yall think?
We have gone "defense heavy" three drafts in a row, not to mention signing some big name defensive free agents, and look where it has gotten us. Not only have we used most of our premium picks on defense, the FO neglected to draft a QB prospect when the opportunity was there in round 3 last year, meaning that we are now in a position to have to reach for a QB in round 1 or 2. It's a mess. We can talk all day about what positions the Bills should target this year, but the real problem is the people who are making the selections. Unless that changes, the losing will continue.
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Chip Kelly is a scum bag. Anyone who runs up the score on teams has no class. I don't want him. he's a bum!
You're either being sarcastic or you have not watched many Ducks' games this year. I would guess that Kelly plays his backups more than any other D-1 coach.
Don Banks - great quote about Nix and why he should go
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Not quite. He should be fired because his record in the draft is abysmal, and he has proven incapable of evaluating and drafting quarterbacks. He is not competent to be a general manager in the NFL. That about covers it.