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But many here say Cardale is a bust and will be a training camp cut.On the John Murphy show 1/2 hour ago, Tasker said that Cardale would likely go in the second round in this draft if he were in it this year. They mentioned he would be right behind Trubisky in terms of Qb rankings. They didn't mention where Trubisky was in those rankings compared to Watson, Mahommes and Kizer though.
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Around here we call them busts after playing the 4th quarter of game 17, with an interim HC in his 1st game
True. One "fan" has already labeled Cardale a failure because has not progressed as rapidly as his "contemporaries" (i.e., Russell Wilson, Kurt Cousins, etc) and someone else said he obviously sucks because he didn't start his rookie year. Until a guy gets a meaningful opportunity to play, you don't know what he can do. We are now going into year three of Tyrod Taylor and the team is still not sure what they've got. (I know many will argue that point.) That's why "drafting a QB every year" is a bad idea.
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Oh.Shaq, Ragland, Seymour, possibly washington will be starters this year.
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That's funny, I count zero starters from last year's draft. At least so far.and if they can come away with 3/4 starters like they did last year fan should be extremely happy
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I wasn't picking on him--I actually agree with his CJ ranking. And obviously, he wasn't the only one not sold on Dak.As I said, I like Waldman not because I want his ratings, but I do like the way he presents what he is doing. It's a more transparent process and makes any of his draft prospect breakdowns worthwhile.
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Last year Waldman had Cardale Jones as his second rated QB, behind Goff and ahead of Wentz. Had Dak as 19th-rated QB.If you actually want a guy that is honest and shows his work, Matt Waldman. He actually describes in exact detail what he is judging. He spends time learning what the QB is supposed to do on a play so he can evaluate what he is seeing. For example, I have seen other writers do things like post a clip of a college QB throwing an INT with no context. No mention that the QB is down more than 2 scores in the 4th quarter and has less than 30 seconds on the clock. Common sense and context matter. I like people who use those things and not guys talking about CFL scrubs like Vernon Adams "lingering" on reads or ballet dancing and Kizer.
The best part about Waldman is there is nuance. You can go through his notes or watch a one hour video of plays he is showing and feel like you are in control. It's the difference between reading a record review and listening to the thing yourself with notes from someone else.
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Was just looking at a "fifth year option ticker" for the 2014 draft class. It really was a very strong first round draft class--except for Cleveland.@adamschefter
Cowboys officially have picked up 5th-year option for star guard Zack Martin, per @FieldYates.
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Maybe, but in that case, why not trade up to nine, with Cinci?If Trubisky is there at 10 , someone will make a very good trade down offer , I'm thinking the Browns
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That's silly. Cardale was drafted in the 4th round by a team with an established starter and a former no 1 pick as a back up. He was never expected to play, much less start, last year and he was never given a chance to do so. We really don't know what the new coaching staff thinks of him. We'll find out more this year.My problem with this is: If Cardale was able to transition to the NFL, he would have already got his shot. Right now he hasn't progressed fast enough to give the Bills a confidence that he will be their future QB. The Bills can't wait and watch but pick another QB and continue the competition.
And BTW, I'm fine with the Bills drafting another QB this year, but not with their no 1 pick.
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And I will join you, but it would not surprise me. Whaley appears incapable of being patient and simply letting the draft come to him.If we move into the top 5 to take one of these QBs I'm going to be physically ill.
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Amari Cooper couldn't carry Watkins equipment.
Look, I think picking up the fifth year option on Sammy is a no-brainer, but I really don't think this is a statement many people in the NFL would agree with; it's certainly not supported by the respective numbers they've put up. And DeAndre Hopkins has put up better numbers than Sammy has, with some truly abysmal QBs throwing him the ball.
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What information is that? Enlighten me. That he was benched by Urban Meyer (aka, the Quarterback Wisperer), when he was in college?It's more like your ignoring all the information out that he isn't going to be any better then he is. He is a huge long shot to even become a backup QB in this league.
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While ignoring all the information that suggests he's worth trying to develop.I'm not swearing Cardale is headed for the HOF, but some people have made their minds up based on zero information.
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Amari Cooper, possibly Dez Bryant, possibly Hopkins.Julio, Brown, AJ Green, maybe OBJ, maybe Nelson, maybe Evans? Am I missing someone?
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What is the basis for this statement? The one quarter of football he played in the game that Buffalo was trying to lose? Are you serious? And who are these "recent contemporaries" who have progressed faster than Cardale has?Cardale progressed so slowly as opposed to his recent contemporaries that it almost pulls up a red flag about his status as a future QB in the NFL.
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Aside from perhaps Trubisky [and he's no sure thing] these are all project QB's in the draft.
We've already got one on the roster, Cardale Jones, who people say has a huge ceiling, and who looked like what you'd expect in his one quarter of play in late '16: a confident athlete with a monster arm but raw. I'm not saying he's going to be a great one, but why do many people [including the media] with no access his work on the practice field or classroom write him off already in favor of another raw QB?
There's only so many snaps at practice and so much time the QB coach can give these players...why add another raw rookie?
You make a great point. We shouldn't bring in another QB (especially with an early round pick) who's not a demonstrably better prospect than Cardale. Cardale has not had an opportunity yet to show whether or not he can be a starting QB in the NFL. In the quick glimpses we've seen, he's flashed both his enormous potential and his inexperience. He and Trubisky, for example, have started about the same number of college games, with Trubisky going 6-5 against Division 1 opponents. I'm not saying Trubisky will or will not be a better NFL player than Jones, but I wouldn't use our first pick on him to find out. I would much rather see us take a QB in the later rounds and throw him into a competition with Jones and Yates for the backup job. At some point, we need to see if CJ can play. He's got incredible God-given tools and he has succeeded on the biggest stage there is. He at least deserves a shot and he won't get one if we take a QB in the first round.
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Cardale really just inst that good. But keep holding out hope
Yeah, let's just cut him. He's played a total of about three quarters in three preseason games, throwing the ball to guys who are now bagging groceries. He played well in one of those outings, average in another and not so great in another. He also played the last quarter of one regular season game that the team was actively trying to lose. Were you at all the Bills' practices this past year? How is that you're so certain he "just isn't that good"? Should we just take your word for it and move on?
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So, Cardale is done? A bust? What did I miss?Having such a small playing career has killed him.
It was indicative of absolutely nothing, other than perhaps the Bills' desire to improve their draft position.The fact that the Bills played Manuel instead of Cardale in the season ending game was indicative that he was not game ready, even for a tryout!.
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The question is, will the Browns pick up Justin Gilbert's fifth year option?🤔
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Well, he has played 3 quarters in the preseason and one quarter in a game the Bills were actively trying to lose. Let's cut him!I remember that too.
Bills fans are fickle.
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Watkins has been somewhat of a disappointment so far, but only because the expectations were so high and because of the astounding success of that year's WR class as a whole. When he's on the field, he is a matchup problem who opens up the entire offense. There is no question the Bills will pick up his 5th year option and will probably end up franchising him in year 6.
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33, Cosell -- you happy now?
Someone has to maintain the high standards of TSW...
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No way the Browns would give up their 2018 1st just for moving up 2 spots.
Their 2nd round pick(#33) this year would be a different story.
I agree that the Browns will not give away their 1 next year to move up two slots, but there is no way they would give up pick number 33 either. In fact, some people would consider the 33rd pick this year to be at least as valuable as next years no. 1, based on the premise that, in valuing future draft picks, you deduct one round for every year in the future. This might be an exception to that rule given the perceived likelihood that Cleveland's no 1 next year will be a top three pick in a year where there might be multiple franchise QBs available, but still...
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You can't discount the TDs either, the guy have 50 combined. 50/17 is not a bad ratio, that is +43.
You sure about that?
why draft a raw QB when we've got Cardale on the roster
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I don't necessarily agree with Tasker, but I don't agree with you that this draft is far more loaded at QB than last year. To me, they look about the same, with maybe a bit more depth this year. I don't see that Cardale has done much to help his stock since he was drafted a year ago, but I don't think he's hurt it either. I'm not sure what the Bills' coaching staff or FO think of Cardale, or what the buzz is about him around the league. The point is, he's not going get cut unless he really looks awful. I think folks who want the Bills to use a high pick on a QB this year are going to be disappointed. In fact, I won't be surprised if they don't draft any QB this year.