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Well whether you are talking all-time or recent history, the Bills have set the bar very high when debating all time worst coaches.
I dare say it would be quite an accomplishment to crack a list of the Bills' top 10 worst coaches. In fact, I would put us up against any franchise in that regard.
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TWO fluke wins to make the playoffs is a template other teams will look to? LoL... Things can go terribly wrong for Seattle next year if they don't get those two (especially the scab refs win @ GB) wins next year.
LoL...
If you don't think Seattle was one of the four best teams in the NFC by the end of the regular season then you were not paying attention. The improved greatly during the season as Wilson gained experience.
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Name every single franchise QB, or even very good QB 5'11" and under (he's 5'10 5/8) in the NFL in the last 30 years. To say GMs should have known is just rubbish.
How many outstanding (passing) college QBs under 6 feet tall have been given a chance to play in the NFL and subsequently failed because they were too short? For the heck of it, off the top of my head, I can think of quite a few shorter QBs who played very well in the NFL--Brees, Flutie, Moon, and Theismann. The last three were not initially given a chance to play in the NFL because they were too short, but subsequently proved that they can play, and play well.
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its a valid point to bring up, and anyone throwing it out the window is being unfair. even the seahawks passed on their franchise multiple times. if anyone in the nfl thought it to be a clear and obvious decision it wouldve been made much earlier. you like to have your guys be the ones that see those values, but.... it happens. its incredibly disappointing when it does, but if seattle really 100% thought that they were picking up what they got, they should fire their gm for not doing it sooner and risking missing out.
Except that Seattle had just shelled out big $$ for a free agent QB and were presumably set at the position. The Bills, on the other hand, were (or should have been) desperate for a young QB to groom.
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Not necessarily. Most teams already have their established QB. Of teams that didn't, 4 took other QBs in the 1st. Only a small handful of QB needy teams passed on him.
True, and the GM's of those teams (Jacksonville & KC) have since been fired. As inexcusable as Buddy's passing on Wilson was, Jacksonville selected a PUNTER with the pick just before Seattle took Wilson.
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Mularkey last bills coach with winning season
He was a terrible coach, nonetheless. By the time he "quit", he had completely lost the team. And he posted a 2-14 this year for Jacksonville. He's fully qualified to be on this list.
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See Wanny is on the list too.
It's actually a pretty good list, albeit weighted toward more recent years. I can't think of too many glaring omissions, other than Mularkey, but I'm sure there are others.
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They have been serving us the same dish for years, thanks Buddy.
How did Mike Mularkey avoid making this ignominious list?
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Things can change, obviously, but when you have certain physical limitations, you're not going to be an elite quarterback in the NFL.
Obviously.
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Don't hold your breath....
The best part of this debate is the contention by some that Wilson's performance could not have been predicted. Yet look at his college performance--especially his 5 year---at Wisconsin. He was very good playing with very big men.
And yet Tannehill, who had mediocre numbers at A&M, went in the top ten. How could a professional talent evaluator look at those two prospects and decide Tannehill should go at no. 9 overall, and that Wilson should last to Round 3? I'm not saying Tannehill sucks, by the way. I'm just pointing out the silliness of those who say Wilson was a longshot or, even worse, a fluke.
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He's good, but mostly a product of Kelly's system at Oregon. I'd consider other options before Mariotta.
Not true at all. Kelly's system is a "run first" offense and the Ducks have no game-breaking receivers. If anything, Mariotta would be even better in a pro-style offense like what USC runs. He is 6'4", has a great arm, runs a 4.5 and has all the intangibles.
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He's a fluke. 99 out of 100 5'11" QBs, if not 999 out of 1000 5'11" QBs, would have that height affect their play negatively.
I'm calling BS here. All you are doing is repeating the conventional wisdom. What is your evidence for this statement? Please name some of the "99" short (under 6'0") QBs who were exceptional in college, were given a chance to play in the NFL, and failed due to their lack of height. OK, just name two. And you can leave out Colt McCoy. He's 6'1".
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1st pick on 2014 is Johnny Football
Nope. Marcus Mariotta.
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Anyone else think Phil Simms is the best NFL play-by-play man there is right now?
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My biggest problem with running QBs is their longevity. Will RG3 ever be the same? Michael Vick is an injury waiting to happen everytime he runs.
You base the entire offense around one guy and he gets hurt? You got trouble
Some running QBs seem more susceptible to injury than others. Vick and RGIII for example, as opposed to Newton and Kaepernick. Kaepernick is so big and strong it's hard to imagine him getting beaten up. Flutie is another one who never seemed to get hit very hard. I think R. Wilson is similar in that regard.
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Some great games this weekend.
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The announcer giving them a hard time for the running clock is crazy. Atlanta won't have time to score if Seattle finishes if here
He is an imbecile. He also suggested Seahawks might kick a FG and then try an onside kick.
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Me too but I've also been late to the Seahawks bandwagon so I'm not sure how much I give Atlanta on this yet. They are a talented team but I still don't buy that they are mentally tough and I'm not sure a blowout at home against a rookie qb changes that feeling.
Still selling Russell Wilson short, huh?
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1) Why would we trade for Smith and his big salary expectations, bring in a rookie to groom, and resign TJax without cutting Fitz? Futhermore, once we cut Fitz, we will have a heavy commitment in salary to QB's; Fitz no longer on the team, TJax sitting on the bench and Smith coming in to sit on the bench in a few years.
2) Unless we are sure Smith would be better then Fitz then we can't be sure of anything. TJax and Thigpen are a free agent and at least one of them is able to keep up with Smith.
3) I cannot imagine any situation where Alex Smith would be happy on a team that is looking to replace him in a few seasons and get the same treatment he has received in San Fran.
There will be teams pursuing Smith but I don't think any of them will see him as The Franchise; like the Bills, they will be looking for someone to come in and compete and maybe start for a year or two. Smith might not like that, but he'll have to deal with it. I can see the Jets, Chiefs, and maybe Jacksonville going after him, but i doubt he will cost more than a 3d. And yes, I'm sure he's better than Fitz.
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Flacco is playing himself for a huge payday. They're never going to let him hit the open market.
Baltimore is a very smart organization. The guys they let walk seldom perform well elsewhere. Not unlike another perennial AFC playoff team that happens to be in our division. If they were to let Flacco hit the FA market, which they won't, it would be "buyer beware".
The Ravens have two LB's playing with injuries that should have kept them out for months longer...I think we need their doctor in Buffalo.
He may be just across the border in Canada.
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Actually I can't believe they didn't go for it on 4th and 5 from around mid field down 2 scores. Was there really any doubt 9ers would score again if they got the ball? McCarty is a terrific coach but that was an elephant size brain fart.
Yep. That's called waiving the white flag. Timid, Buffalo Bills-type football.
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The problem with Buddy is that some of the prospects that he didn't believe were worth drafting turned out to be good prospects for other teams. Very often it is worse to make a mistake due to "omission" rather than make a mistake due to "commision". (As you pointed out.) What has bothered me the most about the Nix era is that there didn't seem to be an urgency to address the qb position. What made his lackadaisical approach more egregious is that his franchise qb was clearly inadequate. Not having a young qb in the pipeline during his three year stint as GM set back this franchise.
Although many here have defended Buddy's decision to pass on Wilson and Cousins in the 3d last year (using the old "hindsight is 20/20" argument) it is interesting to note that the other two GMs of QB needy teams who also passed on them in the 3d round Pioli and Smith of Jacksonville (Smith picked a punter one slot ahead of R Wilson) both were fired this offseason, and for good reason.
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If after a thorough evaluation the organization believes that Tyler Wilson, Glennon, Barkley etc are the best qb cadidates who are capable of being a starter in this league then why wait and take the risk of losing their favored qb prospect? The mistake Buddy has made in the past is that he concentrated on player rankings rather than considering position importance. He has admitted that if you are targeting a qb you like that it is smarter to pull the trigger earlier rather than later.
Whatever other position needs the Bills have (LB, WR) can be adequately filled with the next two rounds. Also, free agency can fill some holes, especially at the LB position. But without a doubt it is going to be difficult getting a quality qb from the free agent market.
In two years what position selection is this year's draft will have the greatest impact for the team? Without question it is going to be the qb selection. If that is the case then why not guarantee that you will be in position to take the highest rated qb left on your board with your early first round selection. In this case it is smarter drafting a qb a little bit early than it is risking losing your preferred qb if you wait.
There is a lot of speculation that the Bills would consider Nassib in the second round. The other teams know that the Bills staff have had a relationship with him at Syracuse. If some other teams also find him an appealing prospect they might leap ahead of us and snatch him from our grasp. It's happened before, and it could happen again. By no means am I suggesting taking Nassib with our early first round pick because his talent level doesn't warrant taking him at that point. But if there is a qb on the board who has a first round grade and that the Bills like then it behooves them to make the selection.
I suppose you're right. I just don't trust Buddy to chose the right QB.
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I don't have the link anymore, but someone evaluated the overall draft position of each player position for all 32 teams and their 2-deep depth charts. LB (outside of special teams players like kickers) was the lowest as I recall. So, either there are a lot of NFL teams with really bad LB play (like the Bills
) or it is altogether possible to find productive LBs fairly deep into the draft. (BTW, I am kidding a bit; we can logically ignore the first argument, because the numbers reflected the entire NFL and not a sample set of just bad LBs. The fact is that for the NFL as a whole productive LBs are found deep into the draft, and deeper than other positions.)Very interesting stuff. Another factor is that LBs, along with DBs, tend to make up the core of special teams, thus providing added value over, say, monster linemen, even though monster linemen are a rarer breed.
The new staff and franchise QB
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And one of the worst coaches. That team was a dumpster fire this year. Teams evaluating Barkley need to look at his entire college career, not just this year. I think he might represent real value in the draft.