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The trouble with that philosophy is that the season is basically over if the starter gets injured... IMHO.
Not necessarily. Sometimes rookie backups who get an opportunity because of an injury far surpass expectations. Dak is only the most recent example. Do you think the season wouldn't be over if TT went down in week three and the Bills rolled with Brian Hoyer or Matt McGloin for the rest of the year?
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Conversely, name the last QB the Bills successfully developed.
(It was Joe Ferguson.)
Sorry, that doesn't come close to proving that Dak or Carr would have failed in Buffalo. Since 1996, the Bills have only attempted to draft and develop two QBs: JP Losman and EJ Manuel. (I suppose you could throw in Trent Edwards, too.) You will never in a million years convince anyone that those guys were victims of the Bills' supposed inability to support and develop QBs and that they would have become quality NFL QBs if they had only been drafted by, say, the Texans or the Chiefs. The Bills organization has utterly failed to identify and draft quality QBs. Period. Carr and Prescott are two blatant examples of that failure.
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Neither Carr nor Dak were going to succeed here.
The problem isn't that the Bills draft bad QBs. The problem is that the Bills eat QBs - good or bad - and spit out train wrecks.
This is an argument that is commonly asserted here ("_______________ [insert name of wildly successful player, such as Odell Beckham, Russell Wilson, etc] would have sucked in Buffalo"), and it's always made without a scrap of evidence to support it. So please enlighten us: Which quarterbacks that were drafted or acquired by the Bills would have succeeded elsewhere? For that matter, name a quarterback who succeeded elsewhere after being traded or jettisoned by the Bills?
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Ill say Reggie Ragland, drops a little weight, is a little quicker and efficient "in space" on his zone drops and in man coverage from the ILB spot and his ability to diagnose plays, stop the run and run the defense will be a welcome addition to the defense, he'll stay on the field on all 3 downs and in sub packages. Projected: 130+ tackles, 15 TFL's, 3 FF, 2 INT's.
p.s. Bills fans will praise Whaley's foresight in trading a 2017 4th round pick to move up in the 2016 draft to acquire him, as in hindsight its a wonderful move again...
You're forgetting about the fourth round pick in 2016 that Whaley also gave away to move up for Ragland--a pick that could have been used on a certain QB.
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Because he has something called a contract. If the Bills wanted to, they could play him at WR. The lunatics don't run the asylum--yet.why would glenn agree to that?
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Wrong. Not even close to a bust.It's not even close....it's Walt Patulski
1st overall pick in the 1972 draft and the dude played 4 years here and did very little. Yes, he was better than Aaron Maybin and some of the others, but they weren't #1 overall picks. That matters. They had their choice of any player they wanted and ended up with him. Patulski is ranked #27 on the all-time NFL bust list, FYI
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You apparently don't. He was far from a bust. Four-year starter, who made 22-sacks (in an era when sacks were much rarer), and was thereafter traded for a second round pick that turned into Joe Devlin.I didn't check every page but does anyone remember Walt Patulski?
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And he's the NCAA champion long-jumper!If were talking versatile CB I think it has to start with Adoree Jackson from USC right? He won the Paul Hornung award for the nations most versatile player, I think he's played every position on that team.... WR (39 rec, 628 YDS, 6 TD- career since 2014), RB (15 carries, 92 YDS, 6.1 YPC AVG- career), PR/KR (79 KR, 2141 YDS, 27.1 AVG, 4 TD) (46 PR, 578 YDS, 12.6 AVG, 4 TD) and then you get to the defensive side , he had 55 total tackles, 2 TFL, 5 INT this season on defense. If still around in round 2 he would be the exact player that McDermott is talking about, he ran a 4.42 - 40 at the combine, great football AWR and has been said that he loves the game, can't really get more versatile than this guy if you ask me.
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Want: Adams or Hooker
Don't Want: J. Allen
Dark Horse: Solomon Thomas
Think: Lattimore
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EJ Manuel had an incredible advantage of 5 years at Florida State in a pro style offense, getting a ton of starts under one of the best offensive staffs in the country and entering the NFL at a fully mature 23 years old. If he still, 4 years later can't complete basic passes regularly, blows basic fundamentals like setting his feet when he throws, and locks onto WR's like Maverick from Top Gun then I don't think it was ever meant to be. Hell even Jimbo Fisher knew it when he admitted they had to scale stuff back for EJ, but could go full bore with Winston.
Sorry I don't buy that EJ was a good QB railroaded by bad coaching and circumstance. He just never was good enough to begin with and a major whiff by Nix and Whaley.
Yes, and this should have been obvious to anyone who watched the game against Florida EJ's senior year. Against the best defense he faced all year, he was virtually incapable of completing a forward pass despite all of FSU's talent on offense.
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Maybin, Williams, and Losman come close, but the winner has to be Walt Patulski. He was the first pick in the draft, an All American, and winner of other awards such as the Lombardi Trophy. As a Bill, he was as bad if not worse than all the other losers they've drafted at number one.
As noted above, this is completely and utterly false. Patulski started all four years he played for the Bills. He led the team in sacks his rookie year, while heading up an improved defense. He finished second in sacks (with seven) his second year. After starting for four years (and recording a total of 22 sacks in an era when teams did not pass much and sacks therefore were difficult to get), Patulski had a falling out with Lou Saban and was traded to the Cardinals in exchange for a second round draft pick, which the Bills used to select Joe Devlin. Patulski was hardly a bust, although he perhaps did not live up to his first overall selection, albeit in 1972, one of the worst overall drafts in NFL history. He was a far, far better player than the likes of Maybin, Losman, Mike Williams, McCargo, Hunter, Tuttle, Flowers, etc.
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Stop with the "Walt Patulski was a bust" narrative. He really wasn't. Not even in the Bills' top 15 draft busts.Being #1 overall, and me being 100% Polish, Got to be Walt Patulski
Hey at least Rex Ryan remembered him
http://buffalonews.com/2016/11/19/busting-40-years-nfl-darkness-walt-patulski-explains-went-wrong/
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I agree, but don't think many teams will want to give up a second round pick to move up to 10.If they can be had in the mid to late first round I think trading down for them would be a perfect scenario.
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I think they go WR in round 2, D in the first. Davis and Williams are probably mid to late first rounders.
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Patulski is not even in the top 15. There was an excellent article in the News about him recently. Patulski had a pretty respectable career. He was a great athlete who was severely hampered by some of the worst coaching in the history of this franchise.I go way back, but Walt Patulski or Perry Tuttle make the top of my list.
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Troup could be the worst because (a) it was a huge reach for need and (2) the guy picked immediately after him, who just happened to have WNY roots and should have been the obvious choice.
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Don't worry, Seattle would laugh in Whaley's face if he proposed such a trade.HELL NO!!! (In my Stephen A Smith voice)
They wouldn't even consider it. I doubt they would give us a 4th round pick for McCoy.You said the draft was deep at RB. Why would Seattle give up a top 4 DB for an aging RB. They can just draft a young RB and keep Sherman
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Who can forget his hard count that left the Jets rolling on the turf, laughing?Things I will remember about EJ's time in Buffalo:
His comeback against the Panthers in the home opener of his rookie season.
His picture perfect handoffs to Fred Jackson.
His beautiful touchdown pass to JJ Watt.
His 7 TD performance against the Jaguars in London.
I own 10,000 shares of EJMLL.
Please share your fondest EJ memories.
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In other words, it would be a good year to have a fourth round pick...This draft is deep enough that players in the 3rd or 4th this year would have gone in the second last year.
No need to panic.
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I am surprised Jacksonville did not sign EJ. He's already proven he can win games for the Jaguars.
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Todays athletes are far superior IMO....the training is better, they have nutritionist, psychologist etc.....that's why world records fall every year....take an athlete for the 70s vs today, it's night and day....hell, the guys from that era marveled at today's NFL players....
This really isn't debatable.
And I think the rule changes have been overblown, as well. The main reason the NFL is more of a passing league today is that coaches have realized that passing is the best way to move the football and score points. This has always been true in the modern era, but coaches who were raised on "three yards and a cloud of dust" were just slow to come around to it. The best teams have almost always been the ones with the best QBs, going back to the very first Super Bowls.
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Why? Because he ran a 4.22 40?
Yeah, it's not like Ross was a very productive receiver at UW, right?
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Yep, times are tough...@albertbreer
Pats offered Dont'a Hightower $10 million per last summer. I'd expect new deal to come in at a base of $10M-$11M/year. Tough market for him.
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The #10 pick this year for a 2nd Round pick this year and a 3rd next? Seriously?
thank God you're not the GM. Yeah, every team in the league would be lined up to make that deal.
So who's going to be the #2 QB?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Well, I suppose we could go all the way back to Kurt Warner and Tom Brady (I know, Brady wasn't a rookie when Mo Lewis took out Bledsoe), but a more recent example would be Kurt Cousins, who played really well when RGIII was injured in his rookie year. In fact, I think the reason RGIII rushed back was because Cousins played so well after he went down. At any rate, plenty of rookie QBs have played well out of the chute, although not necessarily after an injury to the starter.