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Thanks. Another highly insightful observation. And as usual, supported by compelling evidence.Wouldn't touch any of these QB's with a 5000000 foot pole.
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The history of tight ends drafted in that neighborhood is not good. Not good, at all.
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And the fact that they have been playing in the worst division in NFL history since Luck came into the league. And the fact that Luck was out of college eligibility that year, unlike Darnold, and had no choice but to go there.People who point to the Colts as an argument for tanking ignore the unique reality of that situation.
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Thank you. The irrational Byrd hatred runs deep here. As Cover 1 recently documented, Byrd is still playing at a pretty high level and would be a welcome addition to the Bills' defensive backfield.Did he just become a bad tackler in NO? Because he was very sure tackler here in Buffalo IIRC.
Just found this article from December about his time in NO:
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/like-it-or-not-jairus-byrd-is-one-of-saints-best-defenders-122516
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Exactly,The bullpen comparison is terrible. A pitcher isn't graded on his warm ups, he's graded on pitching live or in a game simulation where he would warm up and then pitch as if he was in a real game. His velocity in those two situations should be the same. What's most concerning about a low velocity at the Combine is that there's no reason a QBs mechanics shouldn't be as perfect as that QB is currently capable of. The more common problem is a great velocity at the Combine where there is no pass rush or distraction due to reading a defense/calling audibles/etc., but seeing a worse velocity in game situations due to a player's mechanics breaking down.
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People here love to laugh at the Browns but they are building a Dallas-like O-line and they have a sh-t-ton of draft picks this year, in a very deep draft. And a boatload of picks next year, too. They might very well make the playoffs before the Bills do,Adam SchefterVerified account @AdamSchefter 54s55 seconds ago
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Former Bengals G Kevin Zeitler expects to sign with Cleveland, per sources. Big day for Browns O line. Highest paid guard in NFL history.
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I'm in favor of signing him if it means we do not have to use another premium draft pick on ILB.
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The fact is, until Wednesday, no one on this board really knew if TT's contract was a bargain or not. Apparently, the market for his services was not as hot as some suspected. It happens. I would not call his new contract a bridge though; I think it's another "prove it" deal for a guy who has started less than 30 NFL games and has shown tantalizing promise, but also real weaknesses. Bridge contracts are for known mediocrities like Brian Hoyer.Exactly. In retrospect, it's clear that a lot of people on this board overvalued Tyrod, saying that his existing contract was a bargain. It wasn't. That's why the Bills never were going to bring him back on that existing contract. This is a fair deal, and probably the best the Bills could do at QB for the next year or two. But let's not kid ourselves -- it is a "bridge QB" deal, and the bridge is to a full rebuild starting as soon as 2018, depending largely on how this season plays out.
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Never mind.and replace him with what?
"good qbs are great qbs in this free agent period"
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John, it has been widely reported that the Bills could have gotten out of the "atrocious contract" simply by declining Tyrod's option, so that alone did not make it a "win". The fact that they get to keep the player without the atrocious contract is what constitutes a win.True....but they did get out of the atrocious contract which is a win
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You're missing the point. The numbers suggest that being able to throw the ball with a lot of velocity doesn't mean you will succeed in the NFL, but NOT being able to do so means you almost certainly won't. Hence the concern about Watson.Look at that list of the top 25%ile in that article. It's a sad list, some several years into their careers. Velocity didn't help these guys.
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I think we agree that it can be a useful metric, but with all due respect, you're just speculating WRT the training these guys might or might not be getting. I would imagine they are all working on their velocity going into the combine, knowing that scouts will be paying attention to it.No the metric is great. The problem is that qbs receive wildly varying training. Measure them 2-3 years into their nfl careers (when they've all received pretty similar training) and then judge. It's a scout's job not just to assess combine velocity, but to project where it might be with the proper training. Velocity in and of itself is hugely important.
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I'm skeptical of any metric that tells me Colt McCoy has as strong an arm as Cam Newton. Nevertheless, it does seem to have value as a cutoff point. Having a really strong arm doesn't mean you're going to make it in the league, but if you can't fire it at least 54 MPH, there's not much hope. Similar to 40 yard dash times for WRs, it would seem.
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Pretty sure the rules don't allow the Bills to extend him at this point.
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Let me help you here: Reports that Watson stole the show at the combine: subjective. Measured ball velocity: objective.So lets all throw the reports that watson stole the show at the combine in the trash bin and believe a subjective test that Watson is a limp wristed QB not worthy of a high draft pick. Most people think that Tyrod Taylor has ample arm strength and he scored a 50 on the same test vs Watson at 49. I was at the BCS championship game in Tampa and focused on Watson the entire game. What I saw is a fearless leader who his teammates look up to, hangs in the pocket, throws into tight spots, has zip on the long ball, and pays the price to win games. Watson lit up Bama for 21 pts in the 4th quarter when they knew he had to pass. His college coach called him the Michael Jordan of football yet we see posters raving about the fastballs that combine QBs throw vs air. I can only imagine if Tyrod was throwing to the open WR vs Bama with one second left in the game and tossing it into the ground because he cant see wide open receivers that are 5 yards away from him. Watson is the real deal and thrives on the pressure. He has plenty of arm strength to spare (eye test) and disregard a cherry picked test that he probably did not even care about or trained for as hes coming off a championship win.
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Good. Now they probably can't get McCaffrey.
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Yep. This is NE propaganda and it's been going on for a while. No way in hell would CLE (or anyone else) trade the 1 overall (or a high 1st) for Garoppolo. Caveat emptor!!!Could this be trying to water down the asking price of one 1st? If the Patriots wanted 2 1sts, and the Browns give them one, then that "sounds" like a steal. The whole thing stinks, don't do it Cleveland. New England knows that they have, and will need a QB soon.
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except that Garappolo will be due big $$ next year and a rookie will be cheap for 5 years. He is worth a late 1st or a 2d round pick.Jimmy G, IMO, is a different animal than Cassel, Hoyer and Mallet...He was a 2nd round pick...what was Cassel ?...7th round ?.....he broke all of Romo's college records....has very limited playing experience, but learned behind Brady in one of if not the most complex offensive system in the league.....I remember BB saying last year how having JG back there was a seamless transition from Brady.....and in that very limited playing time, he looked very good....either way, it's bad news...1) he's leaving and NE gets a crap load of picks...2) he stays and NE has a very QB for the next 10 years....
If I'm Cleveland, I do give them a 1st and a 2nd.....Dropping a 1st round pick on a college QB is more of a risk than getting Garappollo.....
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Correct. They won't even give up their 12th overall for him.(Even) Cleveland won't give up 2 First Round picks for an essentially unproven QB.
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how is it an embarrassment? And what's wrong with the NBA?Whether or not it's a smart move, it's an embarrassment to the NFL and Cleveland. They're trying to turn the NFL into the NBA.
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😆Nope our FB and Kicker will cancel
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Comp pick!!
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It does seem odd. Maybe the Bears are just monumentally stupid.Im sorry. I dont buy the sending out feelers bit when:
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Mike Glennon's impending contract with the Bears is expected to be for three years at an average of $14.5 million per season.
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Then maybe the Bills plan to man-up and go for two. It's the smart play regardless.Not thrilled about his PAT. I don't like them being an adventure like last year with Carp.
Ball velocity numbers from Combine are in
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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