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No, he gave away two fourth round picks (this year's and last year's) for the chance to move up 8 slots in round 2 to pick an ILB who likely would have been available anyway.Actually he also gave away a 4th for Sammy and didn't he give up a 4th for Ragland?
True. The lack of compensatory picks is an indication that you are not drafting and developing a lot of frontline players. That means you aren't going to lose as many good players in FA AND you willl have to sign other teams' FAs to fill your own holes. Both of those things will result in fewer comp picks.I think Doug Whaley is the worst more than anybody, but causality seems to be at play here.
Do you think those winning teams have lots of comp picks because they have lots of good players and can't keep them.
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How'd that work out?are u sure , lol remember rob johnson
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They won't have to give up that much. Garappolo can be had for one of the Browns' 2d round picks, plus maybe a 4th or 5th. No one will trade a high 1st for a guy who's started 3 games.Cleveland will probably lose a 1st and 3rd to Patriots for Garropolo.
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That about sums up my view on it too.If the Bills spend a top ten pick on an inside linebacker after spending 3 picks the year before on an inside linebacker I will just turn off my tv.
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Unfortunately, Whaley is perhaps the GM most likely to give away picks to move up, and he can't trade with himself. He is certainly the only GM foolish enough to trade up for a LB.
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And the stats produced for other QBs do show plays left on the field? Or is Tyrod the only QB in the league who sometimes doesn't see open receivers?All of the stats produced for Tyrod Taylor doesn't show the numerous amount of plays he left on the field
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2 QB's have been listed in the last 33 years who got better after 6 years of suck.
Is that really how you would characterize Tyrod's career up to now?
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KC scored 24.3 ppg while Buffalo scored 24.9. Seems close right? Here is where I use the Tyrod hater argument...
KC had 5 defensive tds to Buffalos 3. Already the Defense spotted them 14 points.
KC D had 33 takeaways most in the league, Buffalo had 18. KC Defense gave them 15 extra possessions.
Buffalo played a harder schedule (.520 win % vs. .496)
How about some common opponent fun:
Tyrod gets killed for the Oakland game, The Bills scored 24 in that game. KC played them twice and scored 26 and 21 points.
Chiefs played the Jets and held them to 3 points. The Bills gave up 37 and 30 respectively.
Chiefs scored 19 against the lowly Jags, the Bills 28.
Are you including Tyreke Hill's special teams touchdowns?
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lol. He played 16 games twice in his first 6 years. I swear, the spin zone is getting better than ever.
How many times did Tyrod play 16 games in his first 6 years in the league?
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Alex Smith in 2016: 3636 yards, 20 tds, 8 ints
Tyrod Taylor in 2016: 3603 yards, 23 tds, 6 ints in what everyone says was a down year and reason to move on.
Tyrod is already as good as Alex Smith and maybe has potential to grow. Alex is who he is.
Smith also hurts the argument against Tyrod of who gets better after 6 years in the league. After 6 years Smith was almost out of the league. He got to start a lot over his first 6 years and only once passed for more than 3000 yards.
Smith has a worse career comp %, a high of 23 passing tds over 11 years and has only passed for more than 20 twice, a career QB Rating of 85.3 (TT is 92.3), and played a full season 3 times in 11 years.
You can't want to move on from Tyrod and simultaneously want Alex Smith. Smith got to play for Harbaugh and Andy Reid. Tyrod got to play for Rex.
This pretty much sums it all up. If the Bills dump TT for A Smith, it will be an indication that they still don't get it.
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I'm having a very hard time believing that Alex Smith would be an upgrade over Tyrod. He would cost at least as much, and he's six years older than TT. The world has definitely seen everything A. Smith has to offer as a QB, and it's not that great. Tyrod has started less than 30 games in the NFL and, IMO, he showed some significant improvement toward the end of 2016, once Sammy was playing again. This move would make little sense.
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And they were widely criticized for using a 4th round pick on cousins when they already had RGIII, the QB of the future.Washington could get quite a lot if they do have to trade him. What a weird scenario. They trade a ransom for RG3 and then take Cousins in the 4th round of the same draft. Then inauspiciously release RG3 after such disappointment, turmoil and controversy - all while Cousins blossomed into a FQB. Now they might be forced to trade Cousins and, if so, they'll likely get a bunch of picks back for him. You couldn't make that up.
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Watson < Goff.
Are you serious?
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You know what else doesn't win in the NFL? Greg Roman.
Or Rex Ryan, for that matter.
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It could make sense to some to dump Watkins because he might bolt. If this is what happens it means that Whaley should have been dumped this off season as well. Whaley built a team that was supposed to showcase Watkins as the center piece. If Whaley starts Cardale and trades Watkins it means that the team he built failed. Usually when a team "tanks" it is with a new GM. They are tanking because the last GM failed. Why the h*** would anyone trust Whaley to rebuild after tanking? If he got us to the point of desperation where we felt "tanking" is the only way to rebuild, why would he be the guy to help rebuild the franchise?
You make a strong point regarding Whaley, but I wouldn't call playing Cardale "tanking", because I don't think the intent would be to lose games for purposes of improving draft position. I would call it rebuilding by giving a young QB a chance to develop, while at the same time unloading some unpalatable veteran contracts (not that I would put Watkins in that category, of course). I would not be in favor or unloading Watkins because receivers like him don't grow on trees and, because of his injury history, I don't think the Bills would get enough in return for him to make it worthwhile. And Cardale will need help if he's going to develop.
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I do get it, and I understand that NC's schedule strength is a concern. I just think that in terms of judging a QB, the ACC is competitive enough to do so even if they have less top 25 ranked teams than the bigger conferences. Alabama and OSU have 2 of the premiere college football programs. How many of their QB's are starting in the NFL?
I'm just saying it's not as simple as looking at W/L or quality of opponents. Just look at Russel Wilson's stats against quality opponents when he was at NC State. More terrible than good there. Other than his great season with Wisconsin, he looked like a middling QB at NC State, which arguably had lower quality opponents.
Please. There's no way to discount Wilson's final year, at Wisconsin, which was capped by a phenomenal game in the Rose Bowl. Trubisky's thin body of work, which came against generally mediocre opponents, is definitely a concern: 6-5 against Division 1 opponents.
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I so shouldn't share this. Someone I know is friends with someone in our organization (sorry I'm being vague- I have to). The discussion at OBD is this: Cardale as the starter, and thinking of trading Shady or Watkins or both. Internal struggle is full rebuild, like what I mentioned, or trying one last run with a veteran QB
Interesting rumor. Regardless of how well he played last year, I can't believe McCoy has much, if any, trade value at this point. On the other hand, there are probably quite a few teams who would give up a first round pick for Watkins. If the Bills are truly in rebuild mode, it would make sense to dump Watkins because he seems likely to bolt as soon as his rookie deal is up, and he still has significant trade value.
I assume that this scenario would also involve drafting a QB high and letting him compete with Cardale for the job. Although there is a pretty good chance this would result in a 6-10 season (or maybe worse), it would be more fun to watch than another 8-8 season with Tyrod.
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Thanks. Once again, you're making a lot of sense.I don't usually get too involved in college scouting discussions, but since I'm a Tar Heel fan I see most of their games. Carolina lost three of their last four games this season -- two of them tight rivalry games against Duke and NC State. If you don't understand how W-L records and stats go out the window in college rivalry games, I can't help you. The other loss was two points in the bowl game against Stanford. Before that, Trubisky was 7-2 with the two losses coming in his first game as a starter and in a monsoon. The Carolina defense was pretty much inept all season and their running game was inconsistent. Trubisky also lost the team's best "traditional" WR early in the season.
If you look solely at the W-L record and "level of opponent" I think you're missing the bigger picture with Trubisky.
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2 more starts and 5 more losses against some questionable competition. Yes, I know w/l is a team thing, but 8-5 (6-5 in FBS competition) in his only year starting isn't exactly impressive
I agree. Trubisky's middling record as a starter (against weak competition) is a huge red flag for a supposed first round guy. I can't think of a single quality QB in the league right now who did not win big at the college level. Newton, Mariota, Winston, Wilson, Cousins, etc. Even Tyrod. Rodgers and Prescott won a lot of games for schools that had not had a lot of previous success and played very tough conferences.
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Don't misinterpret this as me shilling for Trubisky, but you're just not accurate in your assessment. Georgia was the first game of the season, it was basically a road game (at the Georgia Dome, not at home), and it was Trubisky's first game as the starter.
The VA Tech game was played during a hurricane; it was ridiculous they didn't postpone the game. Down the road in Raleigh, NC State and Notre Dame played one of the ugliest games in recent memory on the same day. This one gets thrown out.
You're calling the Stanford game a bad game? He made one awful throw for a pick 6 in the 2nd half and took a bad sack to take NC out of FG range in the 4th quarter, but he also led a 99-yard TD drive in the final 2:00 that nearly tied the game (missed the 2-pt conversion). During that drive he actually threw THREE TD passes -- the first two were dropped.
He developed a great late game reputation in other games as well -- in successive weeks he led ridiculous 4th quarter comebacks against Pitt and FSU.
Trubisky is a very solid pro prospect. Five games into the season I think he was completing nearly 80% of his passes. Very accurate, makes anticipation throws, and makes quick decisions. He's "mobile enough" to move in the pocket and avoid trouble. Maybe he doesn't pan out, but I wouldn't be disappointed if the Bills wound up with him.
Thanks. This is far more convincing than just saying, "He's more accurate than Cardale."
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Wrong
Chow from Hangover
Michael Jordan
James K Polk
Harrison Barnes
All UNC grads.
Dukes got Belle Knox, Richard Nixon and Richard Spencer.
Wrong again. Chow went to Duke.
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Anytime. Sink or swim w Cardale works for me if you're consigning it.
For the record, regardless whether we re-up Tyrod, I'm in favor of drafting another QB this year, but it has to be someone who is (a) a better prospect than Cardale, or (b) is available in round 3 or lower. Trubisky might turn out to be a very good pro, but I can't understand why he is considered a better or more NFL-ready prospect than Cardale. If MT were still available in round three or lower, I'd be fine with taking him there. It sounds like some other team might fall in love with him and he'll go a lot higher than that. So be it.
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Nope. Have fun with the irrelevant Dak Prescott Jared Goff take.
You have it under control.
Very persuasive. Thanks.
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False. Trubisky is a a top 10 pick
Cardale was 139th.
There are reasons
Enlighten us. What are those reasons? (And of course, no one knows where Trubisky will be picked; many QBs projected as first rounders in February have had to wait a long time to hear their names called in April.) Oh, and I suppose there were also "reasons" that Jared Goff was selected first overall last year, while Dak Prescott had to wait until the middle of the fourth round. Those "reasons" turned out to be rubbish.
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