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So, kick Cardale to the curb? Is he already a bust?Because this is the ideal situation to let a rookie sit, since we have Tyrod. Most of these college QBs aren't ready to start ... and we can actually afford to let them sit till they are ready at the moment. Would you rather us draft a rookie QB in a year when we need him to start, increasing the likelihood of his failure? Yes, we have many other areas of need, but this is an ideal situation to take a young QB. Some would point to a better crop next year, we have enough talent on this team to keep finishing around 6-10 - 8-8 ... we are never going to be drafting first overall to get someone like Darnold.
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Every year is different. McDermott's defense finished worse than Rex's last year in points per game and yards.
Let me ask you, how many games do you believe the Bills will be a favorite to win in their first 8 games and which teams are they?
As of right now, they would probably be favored in two of the eight, with two games in the "pick-em" category. So what? It's completely meaningless at this point, before the draft, before training camp, and before preseason. And after the first game, the deck will be shuffled all over again.
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Why the love for a 1st NEXT year.....when this draft is rich in players that are talented in THIS draft
we need corners, te, wr's
trade down for multiple picks in THIS draft
Don't worry. Whaley is on a very short leash and will not be looking ahead to next year. If anything, he will trade away next year's picks to move up and/or add more picks this year.
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Agreed. I like the idea of trading back, but would like to see them come away with at least seven picks, without giving away next year's picks. I still think the most likely trade back scenario is with CLE or AZ in exchange for a third round pick. Alternatively, i'd like to see us drop back in round 2 and recoup that 4th that Whaley squandered last year.I'm not against this deal. In fact, I would welcome a trade down...but one downside is that this deal doesn't net them any additional picks. I would prefer that they find a way to finagle an additional lower round pick rather than surrendering one in this scenario. Trading next year's 6th would leave them with six picks again...or is it 5? Are they still on the hook for the conditional 7th that they sent to Green Bay for Lerentee McCray in August of 2016? If so, that would put them at 5 overall picks heading into 2018.
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I know. Before reading Old School's amazing post, I thought kicker was the only thing that mattered. I mean, the game is called FOOTball, right? And we all know that Brady and Belichick would still be waiting on their first Lombardi trophy without Vinatieri and Gostkowski.Hot take and thanks for chiming in!! Your post really brings a lot to the discussion and gives us all something to think about. I've never thought about that before. Maybe the Bills should forfeit their draft picks because it doesn't matter? That's a really, really interesting thought!!
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So you should never draft a QB in the second, third or fourth rounds? Maybe the Bills don't believe there is a high likelihood that any of these guys has the makings of a franchise QB. If so, they aren't by any means alone in that opinion. I'll go out on a limb and say that there is an excellent chance that the best QB in this class won't be selected in the first round.If you believe a QB can be a franchise QB you don't wait till the 2nd or 3rd round.
Rex was fired because he's a bad football coach, not because he lacked a franchise QB or because of "high expectations."It's a phrase. Don't take it out of context. Rex deserved to be fired.
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So that's what happened, huh? Rex, the victim?Soon Rex Ryan and his staff fell victim to high expectations on a team with no franchise QB.
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Why would anyone trade up into 10 BEFORE the draft? No one's going to make a move like that until they see who's still on the board. Maybe the Bills are just testing the water.REPORT: Bills making calls to trade down & out of 10th spot ahead of draft
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That would scare me. Whaley might panic and give away more picks to move up for him.Lombardi and schefter are talking Rueben Foster maybe be there for the first 1/3 of the 2nd round. I'd think that'd be a no brainer.
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So, should the Lions have passed on Calvin Johnson because they wasted first round picks on Roy and Mike Williams a couple years earlier?Maybe we should start doing what good teams do and not what the 0-16 Lions did.
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It's irrelevant what we've spent on Sammy, Woods, Goodwin, etc. Our WR corps needs to be upgraded in a big way. That doesn't mean we HAVE to use pick 10 on WR, but if the BPA is WR, the fact that we spent two number ones on Sammy three years ago makes no difference. That's what's called a sunk cost. Again, I'm fine with using a later pick or picks at the position instead, but this "no good team invests major resources in WRs" argument is no reason to pass on a guy like Williams or Davis.Always, I respect your thoughts. A few things:
1) Sammy is our elite receiver. We invested a #4 and another 1st round pick on him. I don't know if any team has invested that much on a wr besides Atlanta. And then there is Woods with a 2nd and Goodwin with a 3rd.
We keep throwing high picks on picks on receiver hoping they will make our qbs better. That is faulty logic. It should be the opposite way.
2) how many elite receivers are the reason their teams win? How many elite WRs have even won SBs?
The Pats had 2 top 10 TEs and a bunch of guys who would be 3rd WRs on most teams. The Steelers never draft WRs high. Kelce is the Chiefs best receiver. GB doesn't have a 1st round wr. The Seahawks have Jimmy Graham and 7th round Doug Baldwin.
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Rex?I could have sworn I saw somewhere that he was lazy, unmotivated and didn't really like football. I may have mixed him up with someone else.
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That's funny, trading into the top 5 for a QB has literally never worked, but trading up for WR has succeeded several times. But by all means, keep repeating this maxim.There's only one thing you trade up for if you're giving up a first-round pick or more, and that's a potential franchise QB. You don't for a WR. You do for a QB.
Eli worked out pretty well for the Giants in a tradeup.
And no, Eli does not count. First, the Giants were already in the top five and had used their pick on Rivers, who turned out to be as good as Eli (albeit without the rings). The trade was made because Eli refused to play for the Chargers, not because a team needed to trade up for a QB.
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I can't decide between them. Davis looks a little more explosive, but Williams has performed really well at a very high level of completion. Both will probably be good pros.I realize that most people like Davis better. But I was talking to someone in my network who LOVES Mike Williams. Said he would take him every time over Davis and that Williams will be great in the NFL. He just is such a physical player that you don't need to move around.
If you get Mike Williams you play him as the #1 WR (on the other team's best corner) and move Sammy around in the offense.
Analytics guys like Davis better, people I know that are more old school tape guys prefer Mike Williams.
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And I think the Pats would it, too.That's an interesting thought!! They can turn around and take someone like Derek Barnett at 12, Dalvin Cook at 33 and Obi Melifonwu at 52. That would be a nice start to the draft.
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How about this: Trade the no 1 pick to NE for Garappolo and Malcolm Butler?
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Well, the fact that the Bills hired him is certainly a red flag...his coaching style is obviously terrible - he hasn't won a single game.
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Do you think that will be McDermott's style? It's certainly possible, but I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised.Well, he already had Bylsma. Bland, boring play not to lose.
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Why the panic?? The Bills' QB situation is the best it's been in decades. They have a top 20 starter who has started less than 30 NFL games, and a second year guy with huge upside. There is no urgent need to take a QB in the draft this year, especially in the first two rounds, and especially with no sure fire guy available. Taking someone like Dobbs or Kelly in round 5 makes far more sense for this team.Exactly. How can you not draft a QB when you have desperately needed one for 20 years and look yourself in the mirror? I guess you just pray that they all suck so that you don't look like a jackass.
Take a chance and grab one if you ever want to win a championship.
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But picking up the option allows them to use the franchise tag on someone else next year...Perhaps.
But it's really not necessary.
Difference between the option and franchising him is just a few million bucks against a massive amount of available cap space next year..............and that buys them a whole year to either extend Sammy long term while he is a year younger........or maybe just to decide if Sammy is going to heal or turn into a Bill Walton-like foot injury career disaster.
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Absolutely, which is one reason I laugh when people say WR is a "dependent" position, and not worth a high draft pick unless you a so-called "franchise QB."I noticed that Tyrod had a lot more time later in the season once Watkins came back...that extra safety that defenses can't walk down into the box makes an enormous difference.
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So says you. This entirely subjective opinion is certainly not supported by the players' comparative statistics, is it?Winston is a real QB you can build a team around. TT is just a guy that we are paying money to because McDermott coaches scared.
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If you can't see how much more fun it would be to follow a team with a Winston or Mariotta as the QB of the team vs a Bills fan who has to spend months watching as his team "watches film" on his QB and asks him to take a paycut I don't know what to tell you.
You do realize that Tyrod Taylor's numbers as an NFL starter are at least as good as Jameis Winston's, right? (Taylor actually had a significantly higher QB rating than Winston in both 2015 and 2016 and that's not even taking into consideration Taylor's contribution in the running game.) People are in love with Winston because of his potential (and rightly so), but both he and Taylor have approximately the same number of NFL starts. So why can't you "have fun" following a team with Tyrod Taylor at QB?
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So EJ would now be a franchise QB if only he had sat behind Kevin Kolb his rookie year? You'll never convince anyone of that.Ej Manuel.
Sal M: no QB in first.
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