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I think we agree that it can be a useful metric, but with all due respect, you're just speculating WRT the training these guys might or might not be getting. I would imagine they are all working on their velocity going into the combine, knowing that scouts will be paying attention to it.No the metric is great. The problem is that qbs receive wildly varying training. Measure them 2-3 years into their nfl careers (when they've all received pretty similar training) and then judge. It's a scout's job not just to assess combine velocity, but to project where it might be with the proper training. Velocity in and of itself is hugely important.
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I'm skeptical of any metric that tells me Colt McCoy has as strong an arm as Cam Newton. Nevertheless, it does seem to have value as a cutoff point. Having a really strong arm doesn't mean you're going to make it in the league, but if you can't fire it at least 54 MPH, there's not much hope. Similar to 40 yard dash times for WRs, it would seem.
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Pretty sure the rules don't allow the Bills to extend him at this point.
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Let me help you here: Reports that Watson stole the show at the combine: subjective. Measured ball velocity: objective.So lets all throw the reports that watson stole the show at the combine in the trash bin and believe a subjective test that Watson is a limp wristed QB not worthy of a high draft pick. Most people think that Tyrod Taylor has ample arm strength and he scored a 50 on the same test vs Watson at 49. I was at the BCS championship game in Tampa and focused on Watson the entire game. What I saw is a fearless leader who his teammates look up to, hangs in the pocket, throws into tight spots, has zip on the long ball, and pays the price to win games. Watson lit up Bama for 21 pts in the 4th quarter when they knew he had to pass. His college coach called him the Michael Jordan of football yet we see posters raving about the fastballs that combine QBs throw vs air. I can only imagine if Tyrod was throwing to the open WR vs Bama with one second left in the game and tossing it into the ground because he cant see wide open receivers that are 5 yards away from him. Watson is the real deal and thrives on the pressure. He has plenty of arm strength to spare (eye test) and disregard a cherry picked test that he probably did not even care about or trained for as hes coming off a championship win.
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Good. Now they probably can't get McCaffrey.
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Yep. This is NE propaganda and it's been going on for a while. No way in hell would CLE (or anyone else) trade the 1 overall (or a high 1st) for Garoppolo. Caveat emptor!!!Could this be trying to water down the asking price of one 1st? If the Patriots wanted 2 1sts, and the Browns give them one, then that "sounds" like a steal. The whole thing stinks, don't do it Cleveland. New England knows that they have, and will need a QB soon.
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except that Garappolo will be due big $$ next year and a rookie will be cheap for 5 years. He is worth a late 1st or a 2d round pick.Jimmy G, IMO, is a different animal than Cassel, Hoyer and Mallet...He was a 2nd round pick...what was Cassel ?...7th round ?.....he broke all of Romo's college records....has very limited playing experience, but learned behind Brady in one of if not the most complex offensive system in the league.....I remember BB saying last year how having JG back there was a seamless transition from Brady.....and in that very limited playing time, he looked very good....either way, it's bad news...1) he's leaving and NE gets a crap load of picks...2) he stays and NE has a very QB for the next 10 years....
If I'm Cleveland, I do give them a 1st and a 2nd.....Dropping a 1st round pick on a college QB is more of a risk than getting Garappollo.....
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Correct. They won't even give up their 12th overall for him.(Even) Cleveland won't give up 2 First Round picks for an essentially unproven QB.
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how is it an embarrassment? And what's wrong with the NBA?Whether or not it's a smart move, it's an embarrassment to the NFL and Cleveland. They're trying to turn the NFL into the NBA.
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😆Nope our FB and Kicker will cancel
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Comp pick!!
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It does seem odd. Maybe the Bears are just monumentally stupid.Im sorry. I dont buy the sending out feelers bit when:
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Mike Glennon's impending contract with the Bears is expected to be for three years at an average of $14.5 million per season.
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Then maybe the Bills plan to man-up and go for two. It's the smart play regardless.Not thrilled about his PAT. I don't like them being an adventure like last year with Carp.
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No question about it. Very surprising that he agreed to take so much less $. Guessing there was no other team that would have turned over their staring job to him. I would have thought otherwise.If that is true that is one hell of a deal and it was a no brainer to keep him on those terms
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The Buckeyes are reminding me of "The U" from back in the day. Just a bottomless pool of talent...I love him so, so much. He's everything you want in an NFL corner. Unfortunately, he has a chronic hamstring issue.
Gareon Conley may be just as good, and has more experience. Lattimore a higher ceiling, perhaps.
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Tyrod isnt at his ceiling if you think he is you should just sit ina corner and stop ATTEMPTING to evaluate qbs.
C'mon, everyone knows that a QB with 26 NFL starts can't possibly improve. It's an easy position to play and no one ever really gets better with significant game experience.
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Great the standard shove patriots down your throught moments
Are these just random words you typed into your keyboard?
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Find me the last good franchise that spend 2 top 10 picks on WRs, especially after the Watkins trade? You won't. Spending high picks on a dependent position is the definition of stupid.
See the Steelers. Coates 3rd, Brown 6th!, Wallace 3rd, Bryant 4th.
If the Bills draft a wr, they spend a #4 overall pick, #10 overall, 3rd, and 2nd round picks on WRs the last 4 years. That is insanely stupid way to build a football team. You get a real qb and magically your WRs get better.
I thought he was going around 15 anyway. He's really good and for a team with a qb in place, he could be a real difference maker.
I understand your point, but the fact is, WR has become a premium position in the NFL. And despite the heavy investment, it is still undoubtedly an area of real need for the Bills. While the Bills can and probably should add WR talent in later rounds, if a great receiver is available at 10, they should not pass just because they have used premium picks on the position in the past. Rookie contracts are relatively cheap and we don't know how much longer Watkins will stick around (or how healthy he will be).
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I'm just praying that McCaffrey doesn't make it to the 32nd pick.
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Very good summary of the situation. Even if we were able to trade TT for a late first round pick (which might be a pipe-dream anyway), we would be drafting from a position of weakness; Whaley might feel compelled to package multiple picks to move up for one of the top 2 QBs.unless bills go 9-7 or better, this is very likely whaley's last year.
which is why I question getting rid of TT.....with TT you have chance at 9-7
with cardale or any rookie QB not lining up behind the dallas O-line, it is near impossible to play well in first season. game is just too fast and difficult to master mentally.
keep TT for 1,2 or 3 years AND draft your QB of the future on first or second day. that gives options from a position of strength.
lets say you cut TT, now you are dealing from a weak position.....that signals to league you are very likely picking a qb at #10......I say Cleveland uses the 12th and some of their extra picks to move ahead of us. SF, JETS & CLEV are all likely to take a qb before us. we will use the #10 on the 4th best QB ??....not good.
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Are you serious? Why the hell not?No wr in the first for the Bills though.
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Disagree somewhat. Ross was a highly productive college player at the highest level. It's not like all he can do is run. This will certainly give him a boost.If someone raises Ross up the board because he ran a fast 40, their front office is terrible. Ross was always thought to be a Desean Jackson type wr.
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TT had 4 years of getting used to the NFL. It's an advantage.
Where he was drafted matters quite a bit because one was good enough and showed enough in college to be worth the #1 pick. Jameis on tape is a much better QB. He makes some bad decisions, but he's decisive, he throws from the pocket regularly, steps into his throws etc. He's a much better QB. He's a worse wildcat Brad Smith type RB than Tyrod though, I'll give you that.
Jameis is three inches taller than Tyrod, which is one of the major reasons he was the number 1 pick and Tyrod wasn't. If Winston is so much better on tape (I'll have to take your word for it), it hasn't been borne out by the statistics. And then there is the fact that Winston is now, and always has been, a knucklehead and a potential embarrassment to whichever organization he is affiliated with, while Tyrod has been a consummate pro and leader .
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And what will you do if Darnold decides he does not want to play for a tanking rust belt franchise and decides to return to USC?Agreed.
If the Bills are serious about having a promising future, they should tank this year by cutting Taylor, McCoy and Kyle, and trading Watkins.
Without those four guys, we don't win 4 games next year and will have a good shot at the #1 overall pick.
Darnold is the real deal. Do everything possible to get that guy and set yourself at the QB spot for the next 10+ years.
Ball velocity numbers from Combine are in
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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