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Reminds me a lot of the trade up for Poz when David Harris was still there and would have been available in the Bills' slot. A panic move.I think they traded up because they thought that Oakland was going to take him.
He was apparently not a first round talent. Otherwise, he would have been drafted yesterday. And there is no reason to believe he would not have been there at 49, or that he will be better than Josh Perry, for that matter. We gave away two 4th round picks, just like we gave away a 4th round pick for Bryce Brown.So you have a problem giving up two fourths for (essentially) a 1st round talent?
I think you're using new math or something.
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Some franchises never learn.Patriots take a QB before the Bills. How backwards is that.
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QB, edge rusher, OT, WR, CB, possibly safety, possibly TEPlease define "premium position."
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Alright. I do not think he is not a good pick, and i do not like to trade up.
lets hope he crushes it
I would not have been upset with the pick at 49. But they panicked.
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You certainly implied it. Lots of QBs on ultra talented teams had good records - those 10 wins don't mean much in terms of evaluating Jones as a NFL prospect.
But you suggested that his physical skills alone don't mean much. I simply pointed out that he has a track record of using those skills to win football games. If having great physical skills and winning football games at QB aren't enough in your book, what is?
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again, you do not know that either. What pro teams do is communicate and then take the risk. They surely know better then you or I do as to what teams had their eye upon.
i guess simpler said it may have been, OMG he fell this far, don't let him get picked up. Bills really liked him all along from what i have read
At best, they were playing a hunch. That's fine if you are moving up for a QB or a difference maker at a premium position. We are talking about an inside linebacker. It's the type of move up that foolish teams make and smart teams take advantage of.
Didn't those 5 teammates that were picked in round 1 and Michael Thomas (r2) and soon-to-be-picked Braxton Miller and Von Bell have anything to do with those 10 wins?
Did I ever say they didn't?
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Wouldn't be a fan of Cardale Jones in round 3. Physical ability is not the most important factor in QB success in the NFL. Some of the greats haven't had great arms, size and speed. Brees, Manning, Brady, Montana, etc.
Not just physical ability. There is also the minor detail that he has never lost a college game.
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and not to be snarky but how would You know that?
I don't know it, but the Bills didn't know that Ragland would be gone before 49, either. That's the point. They panicked over a guy at a non-premium position.
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A LB went right after them. No doubt they thought Ragland was their first choice and the Bills jumped ahead.
-- And Smith and Jack already went too. So Ragland was the third LB to go.
Correa is an outside linebacker and edge rusher. Totally different (and much more valuable) position.
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I do not understand why they can't just be patient and let the draft come to them. There were LOTS of good players still on the board. And there is no indication that Ragland was about to be taken by someone else. Not a single ILB was off the board.
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It is entirely reasonable to look at trading down if you are Cleveland. So yes.
I bet Cleveland would unload the pick for a 2017 first rounder. Would you make that deal?
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Bradford, Kaepernick, and Fitzy are all playing a losing game where rafter last night, they are losing leverage by the minute. If Fitzy really wants to retire, ok, but if it's a tactic, all of them may get the short end of the stick.
Yes, but their leverage will start to rise again when QBs around the league arrive at training camps, playing in (meaningless) preseason games, and start dropping like flies. Happens every year.
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It appears like the difference between #49 and #32 is a third round pick. What do you guys think? I'm down with it if he doesn't need micro. I mean Shaq and Jack in our front 7, and then 2 4ths, 5th and 2 6ths-sounds pretty darn good.
Gee, assuming Jack is healthy, you don't think any other teams have the same idea, do you? I'm guessing the real value of Cleveland's pick is a lot higher than what any "trade value chart" says it is.
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@adamschefter
Dr. James Andrews, who examined Myles Jack in December, told the UCLA LB today that he does not need micro-fracture surgery.
Um, he told him the day after the first round of the draft? Wtf
No problem. Only cost the kid about $30 million.
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Here you go Yolo, I can vouch for him. Comes through at big times
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/malcolm-mitchell?id=2555216
Doesn't seem like a Rd 2 guy. Also, not sure what he could deliver that Robert Woods can't. Hell, he might be older than Woods.
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Here in Portland, the procedure is known as "Greg Oden Surgery".It's a risky procedure. If it's a "he must have it in the coming year" situation, he's probably darn near as risky as jaylon. If it's a "he will last a few years" he should go quick.
The 2 things I've really tried to push in his threads are micro fracture is a really rough procedure, and you have to trust your Medicals (and not rumors or fan opinion or...)
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And the joke is on the idiots who didn't think he was worth spending a 7th round pick on. He is an absolute beast. Every Cowboys game I saw last year, he was flat-out mauling people.La'el Collins got invited last year and went undrafted. Another odd circumstance.
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I wouldn't hate that. Hoping they go WR, OT or QB. Michael Thomas would be nice, but probably gone by 49.if Cook is available and we don't take him we are morons.
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I agree. If you told me last year at this time that Cook would be available in round 2, I would have thought you were crazy. I thought he might go 1 overall.i think cook is their guy, but could be wrong. I think he's a very good fit there tbh.
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That's what it looks like, doesn't it. Any chance they take a different QB? Cardale? Hackenberg?Here comes connor cook to Browns.
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Well, at least the Bills did not trade up for him, as many here were urging them to do.
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Jason Cole @JasonColeBR 1m1 minute ago
Aside from report about #Giants taking Myles Jack, at least two other teams yet to draft took him off board because of his knee.
Perfect for the Bills. They are always smarter than the rest of the league.
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if our team clears him confidently i am fine with a move to get him. if we are shaky on him medically, i wouldnt love a tradeup but would be fine at 19 (assuming the price to get top ten is substantial).
Are we talking about the same medical team that red-flagged Gronk, while giving Cyrus Kouandjio two thumbs-up?
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Ok, since it appears that some things were somewhat overlooked, let me go back and reiterate on a few things.
WEAKNESSES: Elongated delivery. Struggles with accuracy on deep passes. Lacks great mobility that is increasingly valued in the NFL.
That's three huge areas of concern, delivery, deep accuracy and lacks mobility. Then you have to take into consideration that he was playing behind an elite offensive line that gave him time to throw and that simply won't be the case in the NFL.
So, if you are looking to draft the opposite of Tyrod Taylor then have at it. There are real reasons as to why Hogan has a 5th to 6th round grade. Guys like him are huge projects that have very slim odds of working out.
READ THIS~ http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2014/nfl-draft-round-round-quarterback-dataThere are legitimate concerns about Hogan, but lack of mobility is definitely not one of them. He is a highly mobile QB, especially for his size. This is backed up by his 40 times, his rushing statistics, and the fact that even in its pro-set offense, Stanford regularly called designed runs for him. Anyone who watched more than a few Stanford games over the past four years knows that Hogan's mobility is a strength rather than a limitation. He reminds me a lot of Andrew Luck in that regard.
2016 draft rounds 2 & 3 around the league
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