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We'll see. And let me remind you that RR was not "valued as a first rounder" by anyone who mattered, otherwise, he would not have lasted to 41. He plays a low impact, relatively easy to replace position. The Bills gave up a lot for such a player.I'll take Whaley with his track record over some people. The medical issue is a short term setback that is simply not a reach in any rational way. Reaching is drafting a less talented player too high. Same thing with regard to Ragland who most considered a 1st round pick. I fail to see how getting a guy valued as a 1st rounder in the 2nd is a reach.
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Some people think drafting Shaq at 19 with his medical issue was reaching to fill a perceived need, and that giving up two mid-round picks to move up to take a throwback ILB in the second round was another example of reaching to fill a perceived need. Same with Washington in the third. Now if these guys play really well, it's all good, but if they don't, I think someone is going to take the fall, and rightly so.If you are reaching to draft players for need then that is absolutely a poor strategy. Is that what the Bills did? With their 1st two picks, I would say no. I liked Lee and would have been fine with the Bills taking him, but Shaq was rated higher. Paxton Lynch? No! Since Whaley has been the GM calling the shots in three drafts, they have done pretty well. Who cares about 20 years because that has zero to do with what's happening now.
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True, but I think Bandit was suggesting that Tyrod often took too long to get rid of the ball, and he's right.Some of that is attributable to his ability to buy time with his mobility.
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You're projecting words that I never said. Drafting to fill perceived needs is not a great strategy, so that's a weak defense of these picks. If all three (or even two of them) turn into impact starters, then it was a good draft. On the other hand, if a couple of them bust, Rex/Whaley's got a problem, especially if Lee or a couple of the receivers they passed up become stars, not to mention if Paxton Lynch lights it up. We'll see. Maybe for the first time in 20 years, the Bills are smarter than the rest of the league.I'm not projecting anything. Based on the needs the Bills had, they selected players to fill those needs although I wouldn't have drafted Adolphus Washington if it were up to me. You're are providing a guarantee, but I'm the one projecting? OK, if you say so.
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In your zeal to defend the administration, you are projecting. All I said was that it appears that Rex had a huge influence on the top of the draft; I didn't say they were bad picks, although they were not the ones I would have made. Time will tell. If it doesn't pan out, fingers will be pointed between the new BFFs, that I guarantee.OMG! How could they address areas of need with highly rated players? WTH were they thinking getting a guy from a great Clemson program who was rated as a top 15 prospect? Fire everyone!
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If you're not interested to see how Lee, who is healthy and could have been the Bills' pick, plays for our division rival, then you have an incurious mind. I'm also interested to see how Dodd, the other Clemson edge rusher, does. To my untrained eye, he looked every bit as good on the field as Shaq did this past season.What's interesting about it ?
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I didn't say that, did I? Again, I don't know what went down in the draft room but it looks like Rex had an inordinate amount of influence. First four picks used on defense, including a Clemson guy at 1?Whaley handles player acquisition and the picks were his call. Was he supposed to draft players he thought wouldn't fit what the coaching staff wants to do?
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So you think Rex and Whaley are BFFs now, with both reporting directly to Pegula? I don't know who was pulling what strings at the draft, but it had Rex's greasy fingerprints all over it.Interesting. Sounds like leftover talk from LaConjecture and Carucci.
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That seems about right, but an ugly 8-8, where the team is eliminated early and then wins a couple glorified exhibition games (kinda like last year) would probably spell curtains for Rex and maybe Whaley, but the details will matter. Rex and Whaley seem to have forged a mutual non-aggression pact for now, but if the losses start to mount, that will blow apart in a very ugly way.I think it would be hard for Whaley and Rex to survive if the record is 7-9 or worse this season. Just my opinion.
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That's fair. McCoys contract is not wildly out of line with what two other somewhat comparable backs are getting. That still doesn't mean he is worth the money to the Bills. (Carolina probably has some buyer's remorse re the Stewart contract.). So far, McCoy has not been worth it. Maybe he will have a better year in 2016, even though he's a year older.36.5 m is significantly less than 40m over 5 years? Considering the production of either back up to that time (Stewart had one 1000 yard season and McCoy had had four of the previous five), I'd say McCoy deserved that extra less than a million per year.
Martin was only a slightly better back in 2015 than McCoy was in 2014 (contract years) and had only one other 1000 yard season (opposed to Shady's three).
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McCoy signed for significantly more money than Stewart and Martin was a far better back than McCoy last year.The opinions of GMs, coaches and players in the NFL -- when discussing a player's perceived value within the league -- are much more relevant than the opinion of a fan.
Sure, just look at the contracts around the league. AP (older) got a bigger deal. Stewart's deal (same age when he signed) and Doug Martin(same age) are all getting paid in the same range as McCoy and he's better than both.
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McCoy is not even in the same discussion with AP. Please. I'm not at all sure Shady is better than Jonathan Stewart, who is a very different kind of back than McCoy.Jonathan Stewart was just a year younger and far less accomplished when he signed 5-years for just 4 million less.
Adrian Peterson was almost exactly the same age, and received 7 years and 96 million, 2 more years at about 5-6m more a year.
I'd say he's somewhere between those two in talent and stature, and much closer to AP.
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As a person who writes for a living, I think Sullivan is better than most sports opinion columnists.Trust me as a former journalist.... Sully can't write. His "opinions" are one thing, his journalism is another.
Well thought-out post. Thanks for your contribution to the discussion.Wow. This is hilarious.
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That's true, just like my opinion that the Bills needlessly gave away two fourth round picks to move up for Ragland. I can't prove he would have been there at 49, but the Bills can't prove he wouldn't have been, either. And I'm not aware of any other backs McCoy's age with similar production who scored a contract that lucrative, are you?The claim no other team would offer him that kind of contract is not based on anything but your opinion.
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"Middling star" is being kind given McCoy's production the past two seasons, especially when you look at his YPC. He is on the downslope of a good career. There is not another team in the league that would have given him the contract Whaley did last year. And he's not a great person either, FWIW.Oh, come now. McCoy was hardly a "middling star." Compare his stats to Hall of Famers at comparable ages and he stacks up well. He is currently 8th on the active yards list and only two players in the top 25 -- Alfred Morris at 18 and Doug Martin at 22 -- are younger (and this is counting last year's somewhat off season). When we traded for him, he was a top 5, probably top 3, back in his prime (on average, RBs have their best season at age 27). Middling star...yeesh!
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Doesnt seem like an outrageous statement to me. The guy is good, but he's not exactly JJ Watt.It wasn't a good piece. That's the point.
Edit: oh and here.
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So, 25 years on the job and you found a bad piece that he wrote? Get out the tar and feathers.It wasn't a good piece. That's the point.
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That was his opinion, based on Dareus's off-field antics. So what? It's an opinion piece and that was Sullivan's opinion. I did not see anywhere that he said Dareus is not a good football player, did you?
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You seem to know. Did he? Link?Was he the one that said cut dareus?
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I don't want to turn this into a Jerry Sullivan thread, but the virulent hatred for this guy around here is another example of fans wanting to lynch the bearer of bad news. Like it or not, Sullivan has been right about this team and this organization a lot more than he's been wrong. And when he's been wrong, it's usually been when he's bought into what OBD was selling (the Fitz contract extension, the Rex hire, etc). Is he the most knowledgable football writer around? No, but he's also no dummy and he is almost always thought-provoking, which is an opinion columnist's number one job. Those who complain about Sullivan should read the garbage spewed out by fishhacks and homers in other markets around the country. There is a guy in our market named Canzano who has not written an interesting paragraph in 10 years. Trust me, Sully is way above the average.Found another definition:
na·bob
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historical
plural noun: nabobs
--A Moronic individual who constantly complains. Invents conspiracy theories where none exist. Finds the most evil answer to any subject. Sometimes disguised as radio talk show hosts, sportswriters or posters on fan sites in the Buffalo NY area. Believes Rex Ryan and Doug Whaley were time travelers on the grassy knoll in Dallas.
Appearance resembles Jerry Sullivan.
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Huh?Sammy and Harvin only played together for 3 games last season. And that was the healthiest the offense was last season. I don't think you can glean a lot from those 3 games.
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Hope you're right.I am not saying he wont be good....but there was some draft evals I read on him that he was not a good tackler, lacked instincts, and ALL he was is fast.
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Something tells me Lee is going to be a thorn in the Bills' side for a long time. I hope not, but I can just feel it. Kinda like Gronk.I wanted Lee the OSU lb first. Watch Lee be ROY and I will be even madder
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uh. Blablablabla. Do you realize how much defensive talent he had on that team? How much he squandered it? Do not give me crap about who his QB's were. A shell of a fart of one of the greatest qbs just won the super bowl.
Rex had so much talent on defense it was pathetic he didn't win more. Two of the best man corners in the NFL surrounded by talent that was a giant collective of first and second round talent with only 2 players not in the first 3 rounds starring.
So yeah, Rex sucks ass and if you want to continue an argument against mine I'll need more than just how good he did in games 5 yrs ago. I'll need actual evidence to show how his coaching won games. Because... it didn't.
I'm hardly a Rex supporter, but John is right. (Did I just type that?) There is no denying that Rex had quite a bit of success in the fairly distant past. I don't care how you spin it, he achieved a lot with his early Jets teams, despite minimal offensive talent. They whipped Brady and the Pats (including in the playoffs) and they advanced to the AFC championship game twice in a row. It was largely because of that record that I supported the Rex hire. It is now appears that I was wrong, and that he either has forgotten how to coach or the game has passed him by. But that doesn't change the fact that Rex did in fact do a great job with those early Jet teams. I think it's pointless to argue otherwise.
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