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No offense, but It's on you to provide evidence if you make a claim like that. The stats are out there. He's certainly a coach who trusts his defense, and past performance suggests that's been a smart move.
I was not stating it as a fact. More of a question really. One of my biggest problems with recent bills coaches is that they are timid and coach not to lose. I'm hoping smith is not such a coach.
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My sense is that Smith is one of those old school NFL coaches who punts on 4th and 1 from the other team's 40. I don't see many bears games though, so feel free to tell me I'm wrong.
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Saying you want every QB coming out doesn't make you a talent evaluator. Last year was a rare year a lot of good QBs were available. Most years you're lucky to have one. Nix had made good picks. Spiller, Glenn. But he's missed a few too.
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Huh? Yes, last year was in fact a rare year in which a lot of good QBs were available in the draft. And your boy Buddy didn't bother to draft one, even though the Bills desperately needed one! The fact that he had a few good picks (actually, it's hard to find any) means nothing. Anyone on this board could have done just as well, if not better. Do you doubt that?
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you described gailey... just saying
Winner???
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Whisenhunt is the perfect example of why coaching in the NFL is overrated.
The guy nearly wins the Super Bowl when he has HOF QB Kurt Warner playing, and then can't put together a decent season without him.
Any semi-competent coach can win in the NFL with a great QB.
I don't understand the hostility to Wisenhunt, although I admit that I don't know that much about him. Seems like he is a pretty good HC who fell victim to some really bad QB play this year. As far as I can tell, he took a perpetually soft team and turned them into a pretty tough one. I'd like to hear from someone from AZ who follows the team more closely though.
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what about ken whisenhunt? am i the only one on here who thinks he should get hired? i understand he had a terrible year but not to long ago the man was in the superbowl. offensive tough coach who preaches disicipline
I like this idea. I don't follow the Cardinals very closely, but it seems to me that Wisenhunt is a good coach who fell victim to a terrible QB situation not of his making. If there are any Arizona residents who follow the team more closely, I'm willing to listen and learn.
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If you defend a GM who hasnt improved a team 1 game in 3 years, you might be a Buffalo Bills Kool-aid drinker.
There is no end to the excuses some board members are willing to make for Nix. There can be no legitimate criticism of his drafting because all such criticism is "hindsight". Oh, and the roster is stronger now than it was three years ago.
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SJ is completely correct. I bet pros are not impressed with Chip Kelly's quick play circus game at Oregon. Where are the National Championships, they might ask?
There is no comparison to the type of game Harbaugh was coaching with Luck at Stanford and what Kelly does.
Can you name a single QB who Kelly has "molded" ever? How about one he got onto an NFL roster?
SJ certainly raises some relevant concerns, but you do not.
Kelly has taken the Ducks to BCS bowl games 4 times in 4 years as head coach, twice getting them either in the national championship game or one game away from it. (I would also argue that the national championship in college football is a load of crap anyway to the extent it is based on the BCS selection process rather than actual head to head games, but that's a different argument.) As anyone who follows college football knows, Oregon has generally been unable to attract the type of 4 and 5 star recruits that schools like USC, Alabama, and LSU have signed year after year. It's remarkable what Kelly has been able to do at Oregon, despite not winning a national title yet. Are you saying he can't succeed in the NFL because Oregon has not produced any NFL QB's under his regime? Not sure how that's relevant. Oregon runs a completely different system than Stanford. Luck was a once in a decade QB--are you saying Harbaugh is responsible for him being in the NFL? I'm not knocking Stanford--they have a great program and shaw is a great coach, but that does not have anything to do with Kelly's ability to succeed in the NFL. And by the way, I predict Marcus Mariotta will be the No. 1 pick in the 2014 draft, if he decides to come out.
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Harbaugh played quarterback in the NFL for 14 seasons. After that he was a college assistant for 7 seasons, coached in the NFL for 2 seasons and was a college head coach for 7 seasons.
The point that's being made about Chip Kelly that you seem to be missing is that Kelly has never set foot in an NFL locker room.
Not as a player, not as a coach.
FWIW, Chip Kelly never played college football.
Do you think that veteran NFL players are just gonna accept as their leader a guy who didn't play college football and never coached in the NFL?
Actually, Kelly was a star athlete in HS and I believe he did play football at UNH. I know it's not USC, but it is football.
I understand your points about Kelly, but as someone who lives on the West Coast and has seen every Ducks game the past few years, I strongly believe Kelly will succeed at the next level. His teams are the two things the Bills have not been over the past decade of so: smart and aggressive, a lot like the Patriots. I am sure plenty of NFL owners share your legitimate concerns, but it only takes one who's willing to give Kelly a chance. I would be surprised if he fails, but then again,a few years ago I was all in favor of the Bills hiring Charlie Weis and/or Romeo Crennel as HC.
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So tell me again which successful NFL head coach never previously coached in the NFL?
I'm very wary and skeptical of guys like Chip Kelly and Jim Tressel. I've seen tons of college head coaches who actually had NFL experience fail miserably.
Feel free to disagree. I won't debate because this is conjecture on both our parts. I'm more than happy to see how Kelly does.
But I wouldn't hire him.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I have no proof (at this point anyway) that Kelly will succeed in the NFL. He has been incredibly successful at Oregon despite the fact that they have never had great recruiting classes or produced many NFL draft picks. He's done it by being smart, organized and aggressive--exactly the things this franchise has lacked for the last 13 years. No question the team who hires him will be taking a major risk, just as the Redskins took a major risk when they traded away all those picks for the right to select RG III. I just think it's a risk worth taking. It's also the sort of risk that Ralph will never take.
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Chip Kelly is going to fail MISERABLY in the NFL. Guaranteed.
Please tell us how we should collect on your guaranty after he succeeds.
Yes I've cited this numerous times.
I defy any of the pro-Chip Kelly people to name me one single person who never coached in the NFL before becoming a successful NFL head coach.
What exactly have you "cited"? Sounds like you are relying on some sort of objective evidence.
Prior to becoming a wildly successful college coach at Oregon, Kelly had never been a head coach at any level and had only been an Offensive coordinator for two years at the D-1 level. I would much rather take a chance on an innovative, aggressive young coach than a tired re-tread who has failed with other teams. Why is Kelly such a hot prospect given your assertion that there has never been a successful NFL coach without prior pro experience? Do you think NFL teams are unaware of this "fact"?
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Richardson's a hell of a player, you'll see that in time barring injury problems. Holmgren was the final word on drafting Colt McCoy, I suspect he was with Weeden also.
Hindsight. Cleveland made a really good offer, almost as good as Washington's. Pretty good, especially considering the impending change in ownership.
I did not say Richardson is not a good player. But he is a RB--dime a dozen. As to the RG III thing: How does one evaluate a GM if not through hindsight?
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If Nix is gone I wouldn't mind bringing in Tom Heckert, who was whitewashed by the Browns. I think he's done a good job of bringing some solid talent in there. I'm sure his quarterback choices were dictated to a large extent by Holmgren, though I can't believe Weeden is being condemned after one year as a rookie. I think the Browns will be down for another 3 years. We'll see...
Heckert's drafts:
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/12/tom_heckerts_draft_picks_as_cl.html
Can't agree. I say "No thanks" to any GM who uses the 3d pick in the draft on a RB and another 1st on a 29-year old QB.
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uh oh
Yet another reason to fire Nix yesterday.
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You aren't alone. I agree w/you, provided he will fire Gailey. Nix has done enough good things to stick around.
Don't play that 20/20 hindsight game. Nix's reasons for drafting who he drafted were sound. And Dareus is a good player. Stop it.
Unfortunately for Buddy, hindsight is the only way to evaluate draft day performance. Would you evaluate him based on where Kiper had his picks rated? It is incredible how many folks here defend the man who is responsible for bringing us such an awful product.
And Dareus is a good player.
Are you sure about that?
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Yup. The process is seemingly better than the results right now- there's certainly some dysfunction and he's made mistakes but the idea that he's a total failure is widely exaggerated.
Just what would a total failure look like, then?
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Please define what constitutes bad drafting? CJ Spiller? Dareus? Gilmore? Glenn? Sure he missed a few. TJ Graham? Looks bad so far. Could have had Russell Wilson. But so could have every other team. I don't think he's a failure. It's more the hysteria of posters looking for any reason to stick ice picks in their ears.
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For starters, how about his entire first draft other than Spiller, Dareus (over AJ Green and others), A Williams, and TJ Graham over Wilson, Cousins, and several other WRs who have outperformed him? All those picks on defense and still one of the worst Defenses in the history of the league. Really, though, the unforgivable sin is his failure for three years running to even try to obtain a decent QB. He has proven that he is incapable of building a franchise in the modern NFL. I have seen enough.
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ESPN just went through a list of 7 GMs around the league and Nix was the only one whose job was leaning safe according to Adam Schefter. In his opinion:
Out: AJ Smith SD, Gene Smith Jax, Tom Heckert Cle, Rod Graves Ari
Leaning Out: Scott Pioli KC, Mike Tannenbaum NYJ
Leaning Safe: Buddy Nix
While the above is just Schefter's opinion, the more I think about the poor personnel decisions Nix has made or tolerated under his regime I think it is time to go - I don't have a good feeling about his ability to engineer a rebuilding.....
If true, this is very unfortunate news for the franchise.
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2) 3rd round selections at qb are rarely, if ever the answer. if he passed on a first round talent it would be a different debate
Tell that to Seattle and Washington. Wilson has put up better numbers than Andrew Luck this year in a more conservative offense. If that's not a first round talent, what is? He might even win a Super Bowl this year. Nix should have been desperate to bring a talented QB prospect on board LAST year but he was asleep at the wheel. He moved UP to pick a WR who has been outperformed by several other ones selected a few picks later.
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His record in teh draft is not Abysmal. Its not amzing, but its not much worse then many other teams in the league. he has had 3 years of drafts, some of those players are just starting to become the players they expected. I bet you were on the Spillers a bust bandwagon last season, that one turned around quickly, should have used an ambulance instead of wagon though with all the broken ankles people got from jumping off and on that one.
If you are going to say he isn't capable of being an NFL GM cause in the 3 years he has been year he hasn't found a franchise QB, then half the NFLs GM's aren't competent either. How many here were screaming last year when there was a chance that the Bills could take Cam Newton prior to the draft if he fell to 3 because they need a pass rusher like Dareus? It seemed like every year there was always a bigger need according tot eh fans then drafting a QB, until Fitz proved this year he isn't the answer, then the FO should have known that already and picked up someone who in hindsight is better
Spiller is just about his only solid pick and that one is debatable given their other needs and the fact that they already had Lynch and Jackson on the roster. In case you haven't noticed, Dareus has been mediocre and at least 5 or 6 players taken soon afterward have already proven to be rising stars including an absolute beast of a wide receiver. Anyone who was paying attention has known since the middle or last season--at the latest--that Fitzpatrick is not a good NFL QB. Nevertheless, Nix made no effort to find a replacement, or even a decent prospect, in the draft, despite the fact that there were at least three sitting there for the taking in round three. (I won't even mention Dalton or Kapernick.) He has been GM for three years and the team is worse than when he took over. I have to add that after hearing Nix interviewed on the radio recently, I was surprised that any professional sports team would put him in charge of anything more complicated than groundskeeping.
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But from what everyone tells me here, Gailey was the only person willing to interview for the job, everyone else turned them down for interviews
So Nix should be fired cause the only person willing to do the job didn't work out?
Not quite. He should be fired because his record in the draft is abysmal, and he has proven incapable of evaluating and drafting quarterbacks. He is not competent to be a general manager in the NFL. That about covers it.
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20121227/black-monday-nfl-coaches-2012/?sct=uk_t11_a5
• Buffalo -- The Bills are expected to end the three-year Chan Gailey coaching era following this season's major disappointment, but the mystery in Buffalo is whether general manager Buddy Nix is also on his way out. Team CEO Russ Brandon is thought to be in favor of a full house-cleaning, but no one I talked to within the league had a great handle on whether Bills owner Ralph Wilson agrees.
Former Bills running back Thurman Thomas dropped a cryptic hint of changes to come within the organization via Twitter the other day, but no one seems quite sure what form a potential GM move would take. One option would be elevating assistant GM/director of player personnel Doug Whaley to the top job and commencing a coaching search after that change was made.
Another potential GM candidate would be Caldwell, Atlanta's well-regarded director of player personnel. He's from the Buffalo area, and would welcome the chance to help the Bills end their NFL-worst playoff drought, which stands at 13 seasons and counting.
As one NFL club executive explained, replacing Nix now is probably the smart move, because he has made it known the Bills will be aggressive in the search for the club's next starting quarterback, with Ryan Fitzpatrick not expected to return. "If you've got a GM who's hell-bent on getting a quarterback, you've got a guy who's at least in danger of giving up the farm to do so,'' the NFL club executive said. "A desperate general manager is the worst kind of general manager to have.''
Not quite right. Nix should be fired, among other reasons, because he has demonstrated that he is incompetent to select a franchise quarterback. The thought of him sifting through this years' crop of QBs is terrifying.
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I may as well join the choir. Name Stache the HC??? Talk of Aaron Williams starting next year?? 54 posts. You've got to be a troll
You don't think the talent level is better now than it was when buddy took over? Crazy talk
Absolutely not. The only area that is better is O-line, and it's still far from a standout unit. Despite all the drafting and free agent signings, the defensive front 7 is awful, worse even than before. The defensive backfield is about the same as it was under Jauron. WR is about the same--i.e., unacceptable. RB is about the same. QB is about the same--totally unacceptable and with zero effort having been made to upgrade the position. What evidence do you have that the talent is better now? The W-L record? They rarely got blown out during the Jauron years--now it's a regular occurrence.
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The way Nix has screwed up 3 drafts, traded away successful players, hired coaching staffs, lied to fans and media, oh and his "3 year plan", that has failed miserably, he doesn't deserve his job much less the right to choose a new coach. He needs to go and fast.
I could not agree more. I am amazed that many posters here are simply assuming that Nix will be around next year. That is a chilling thought, to say the least.
Russ Brandon named President/CEO
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I true, it's terrible news. Nothing will change. Still stuck in the past, just like the city itself.