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LMAO.. Ok.. newton 30 TDs 7 INTs in one full season
jones 8 tds 5 INts in a partial season
If you look at 2014 and 2015 combined, which is what I was talking about, Jones had 15 TDs and 7 INTs. The point is not that Jones is as good a prospect as Newton; the point is that both played about the same number of college games. If Jones had put up Newton-like numbers, we would not be having this conversation because he would be the first player picked next Thursday. Jones is a guy who's ceiling is similar to Newton's, but obviously there are more question marks surrounding him. If there weren't, there would be no chance of getting him outside the first round.
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I think some folks are slightly missing the point with Jones...
With the extraordinarily high rate of failure QB's drafted after the 2nd round have had, if you're going to take a guy in the 3rd or later, it might as well be a guy with all the physical tools and a rocket arm...
The truth is the chances of getting the right guy are slim...But with a kid like Jones you really don't have to tweak much physically...You just have to coach him up and hope he catches on...If he doesn't, it's not like it's going to be a big surprise...But the truth is had he started 3 full years at Ohio St he more than likely would be a 1st Round pick...Right or wrong...So if you're going to do it...Why not do it with the QB that has the most upside?...Work him hard and see if you get lucky...
Exactly. If he was a more polished product, and without some of the uncertainty, there is no way the Bills would have a chance at drafting him. It's not like the Bills haven't bombed on plenty of second and third-round picks; might as well roll the dice on a guy who has incredible upside at the most important position in sports.
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Really? Watch these highlights and tell me if you feel the same.
0:34 - Underthrown and most likely picked or at least broken up in NFL
0:41 - inaccurate 10 yard high throw to guy who is standing wide open.
0:59 - Underthrown and most likely picked or at least broken up in NFL
1:34 - Underthrown again to a wide open guy
3:10 - WR has to slow down again to catch ball after DB falls down
And this is the HIGHLIGHT reel. Tyrod hits those deep balls in stride consistently.
Wow, you're picky. In those highlights, which were mostly from one game, I saw Cardale hit a lot of guys in stride. Some of the balls you say were underthrown I would call back shoulder passes. And when he decides to run, DBs might want to get out of the way.
Here's the bottom line with Cardale: He is a huge guy with an even bigger arm. He is very mobile, especially for a guy his size. Because of his size and mobility, he is difficult to sack and is likely to be highly durable in the pros. Despite some borderline racist comments I have read here and other places, he appears to be a smart guy who for the most part has his head on straight. He has NEVER lost a college game and he performed at his best on the biggest possible stage. His upside is unlimited. I will be surprised if he makes it to round 3, but if he does, the Bills had better pull the trigger on the 12-gauge.
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I watched all those games too, and I saw something very different. Every time OSU needed a big play, he delivered, and he threw the ball with very good accuracy against some excellent defenses. The team played far better than it had before Barrett got hurt.Cam Newton also completely dominated JuCo ball and had a much better performance in his one season than Cardale did. Cardale is a big time arm and that's about it at this point. I've been saying this ever since he won the National Championship and people were declaring him a future #1 overall pick. Anyone who watched those games carefully should have seen a guy that took advantage of defenses trying to stop Elliot from running all over them (which he did anyway). Cardale was just launching the ball to wide open guys or one on one coverage and the WRs were making great catches. All the big plays exaggerated his stats. He did not show great accuracy or great decision making, he just chucked it a lot. Add on to that the fact that he will not be able to run even close to as much against NFL defenses and, to me, he is a wasted pick before the 5th. And this is coming from an OSU fan.
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Cardale's played the equivalent of about one full season--in other words, the same amount as Cam Newton coming out of Auburn, so you're right, he can't possibly be any good.the guy has thrown 200 passes in college.
What fool team would draft this guy before round 6 at best ?
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Yes, that was last year.
With everyone coming back, the first time we've had all 5 OL coming back in 15 years, Tyrod getting all the camp reps as "the man" and another year to gel with WRs and everyone to learn an offense, you expect improvement without major additions.
Maybe. But there were significant holes on offense that need to be filled: To name a few, the right side of the offensive line, another dangerous WR besides Sammy, a RB who can fill in when Karlos and/or McCoy are hurt, and of course, a QB to develop behind Tyrod who won't completely melt down when he's asked to come off the bench or start a few games.
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OR, since we have all 11 starters on Offense coming back, we can focus on shoring up the D to the newer scheme.
Despite some reasonably good team statistics, I for one was not at all satisfied with the offense last year. Many of the gaudy stats were put up during garbage time and/or when the Bills were trailing big and the other team was playing prevent. On the flip side, the offense consistently came up small at the end of games when some sort of score was needed to tie or take the lead.
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19TH pick Reggie Ragland ILB, Alabama
49th pick Veron Butler DT, Louisana Tech
80th pick Kyler Frackel OLB Utah St
117th pick Cyrus Jones CB, Alabama
139th pick Dak Prescott QB Mississippi St
192nd pick Antonio Morrison OLB Florida
218th pick Justin Simmons FS Boston College
In other words, Wrecks has broken the defense to such a degree that 6 out of 7 draft picks (including the first four) must be devoted to fixing it. Disgraceful.
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Do you mean to say that the Bills should not, as at least one poster here suggests, tank this year for the chance to draft Watson? (I think he may have used the term "go all in".). Shocking.Watson is being seriously overrated as an NFL prospect. He's a hell of a college QB, but until he shows he can go to a second read I won't be sold at all. Also I suspect Clemson listing him as 6'2" is generous. But there's a whole year to see how he progresses and measures.
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I am--in the 2d, or the 3d.For the record, I am not coming around to Ragnuts.
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Tell the Rams Gurley isn't an important piece of their success. Minny wouldn't have been a playoff team without a reficukous 4.5 ypc from AP.
Oh, and the Vikings had by far the worst offense of any team in the playoffs last year, despite having the best running back in the league (and the best of his generation). And they didn't exactly light up the scoreboard in their lone (home) playoff game.
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Tell the Rams Gurley isn't an important piece of their success.
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By all means, tell us more about the Rams' "success". I must have missed it. All I can remember is that they had
one ofthe worst offensesin the league, despite having this wonderous talent at RB. Not exactly poster boys for the "running backs still matter" argument. -
Sorry, but this article doesn't dispell anything. Of course RBs drafted in the first round will tend to outperform RBs taken later. That's true of every position. The fact is that the difference between a first round guy and a guy taken in the late round or as UFA is often not very great and furthermore, very few of the recent first rounders are getting second contracts with the teams that drafted them. E Elliott might be the exception that proves the rule. And the article doesn't bother to mention that Elliott is so highly valued largely because he is so effective in the passing game, both as a blocker and as a receiver. Ask the Chargers how smart it is to draft a RB in the first round.Great article on NFL RB value in 2016. Bleacher Report, so need to copy and paste link to browser
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So if really good kickers or running backs were scarce, would that mean we should take one in the first round? What about positional value?If one resource is scarce and another is plentiful, obtaining the scarce resource must be a priority (why some people say draft a QB in the first every year until you have one). In this scenario its the LBs that are scarce so I have no problem with them picking one early and then getting a DL in a later round.
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i sincerely hope this does not reflect the thinking at OBD.I still think LB in the first
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The idea that this team needs to use its first two picks on defense--just to fix what Rex broke--is a travesty, and the possibility that this would cause us to pass on a potential franchise QB, makes it totally unacceptable. The only thing that could be worse, would be using those picks on DT and/or ILB.I don't see Whaley selecting a qb in the first round. He has said it a number of times that it is a priority for him to end the playoff drought. Odds are that he is going to use his first two picks to bolster the defense that Rex mismanaged last year.
Cook certainly would be a good selection for Denver, and if he is still available a good selection for Dallas in the second round. What also needs to be noted regarding Cook is that his receiving corps was not very good. His receivers were not adept at getting open.
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Nonsense. I don't recall anyone here advocating for Geno with the 8th pick three years ago, and even if there were, I have no idea what that has to do with Cardale Jones in 2016 in any event. Bizarre.I wonder how many of the Cardale Jones voters are the same ones who were clamoring for the Bills to pick Geno Smith and his dazzling stats with the #8 pick three years ago.
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This is the drafting philosophy that has made the Bills great. Well done.I am going all in with TT and not wasting a pick on another project. EJ can be backup this year.
Our cap situation is forcing us to have value players that can contribute immediately. We need pass rushers and fast linebackers and another safety now. Forget the QB position for this year.
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I did not say anything about giving up picks for him. But if he is there in the 3d it would be idiotic not to pick him because our "board" has him rated as a 4th.It has nothing to do with the Russell Wilson situation because neither one of us knows how high the Bills have him rated. I have already argued that Jones will go higher than many people think due to his enormous potential, but I still don't want the Bills to give up picks to get him.
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You mean, just like Buddy did with Russell Wilson? You make it sound like they are just applying a mathematical formula. It's far more subjective, especially when it comes to a QB. Jones will probably go higher than many think he "deserves", but if he succeeds, the team that took him will have scored a major coup and the teams that "stuck to their boards" will be rightly second-guessed.They would be betting on his boom potential. IMO, they shouldn't give up picks for him. Instead they should place a value on him and draft him if he falls where that value is.
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Transcendent? First, the opposition had almost no game film on Jones and next, would it surprise you if the opponent's game plan was to take away the run game and make the 3rd string QB beat them?
That doesn't wow me much. WRT Manuel, I am not saying that he wasn't a bit of a reach in round 1, but I am saying that he has a similar tool set to Jones and produced a LOT more in college than Jones did.
If Jones was not transcendent in that three-game run, then he wasn't far from it. He threw the ball to all parts of the field with great accuracy, made sound decisions with the ball and was uncanny in his ability to pick up key first downs by scrambling and by designed runs. And this was against three of the top teams the country, including a heavily favored Alabama team with a top-tier defense.
I realize that Manuel had a much more extensive body of work, but he played for an FSU team that was stacked with NFL talent and made a living beating the snot out of teams like Wake Forest, NC State, etc. When he played against a real defense in a game that mattered, he could barely complete a forward pass.
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The guy that he lost his job to at Ohio State is not likely a NFL prospect at QB, so it would be hard for me to get on board with Cardale Jones as anything more than a late round prospect.
I know that he "has all the physical tools", but frankly so does EJ Manuel and Manuel had a LOT more starting experience in college at a high level of competition and Manuel's college stats were better.
How about this difference: In the biggest game of his college career (against Florida) EJ was cover-your-eyes awful. In the biggest games of his career, on the biggest stage imaginable, Cardale Jones was transcendent.
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You are probably right, but something tells me that Cardale won't make it to round 3. Despite his flaws, the upside is just too great. And there is that incredible run of games he put together during OSU's championship drive. Not many "project" QBs have that kind of thing on their resumes. I think he would be an ideal guy to groom behind Tyrod for a few years. And if he ever recaptures the magic, the sky is the limit.No way I consider him worth the risk in the 2nd either. I have said previously trading back into the third after we have made our pick is as early as I'd go. If he is gone before that then so be it. He is a long shot to make it in the NFL in my opinion but if he does he will make it big because the tools are there.
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He is a huge risk, no question about it. No problem with taking that risk but not with
one ofour first3picks.Fixed
Bills enamored with Cardale Jones?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
Posted · Edited by mannc
From the article: The Bills have drafted 4 QBs in the past 20 years. Incredible. And folks here are still trying to think of excuses not to draft one this year.