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Perhaps Buddy and the gang should have considered that when Russell Wilson was sitting on the board last year. Try picking a winner who inspires vs. our horrible performance in the 3rd round during the "Buddy Era"
Please refrain from this sort of criticism of our front office. With the benefit of hindsight, anyone can look back and say who the Bills should have drafted. Just remember: The draft is a crapshoot; it's crazy to expect professional talent evaluators to be able to accurately forecast which college players will succeed in the NFL. On the other hand, Russell Wilson has not proven anything and TJ Graham might very well blossom into an all-pro. In Nix we trust!!!
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He was almost to the Buccaneers job last season, he makes 2.8 million a season with 1.3 million bonus if he makes the Rose Bowl or Better you offer him 4.8 to 5 Million a season you might just get him the Buccs only offer 3.2 a season he was ready to sign but changed his mind at the last minute
Lets say Oregon loses a game this season they are out the National Title Game because of strength of schedule so how many time is chip kelly going to be the brides maid if they lose its 4 years straight, at some point you can go only so far, so you move on
Right now, Kelly is the Belichick of college football, without the cheating. He is everything the Bills organization is not--bold, smart, way ahead of the curve. Unless the Oregon program falls off a cliff, he's going to be offered at least one NFL head coaching job every year. At some point, he will accept and it will be interesting to see how he does. He will go to an organization with a forward-thinking GM who will get him the type of players he wants. In short, there is no way he will go to Buffalo and no way the Bills will pursue him.
I don't think Kelly will try to run a blue-print of the offense he uses at Oregon in the NFL. He's smart enough to know that probably would not work. But whatever system he installs will be fast-paced and will feature a highly mobile QB. I don't know if he'll win any Super Bowls, but it will be exciting to watch.
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Like I said way upthread, these arguments are completely futile. I just don't understand it. If people need to come right out and say Buddy screwed the pooch, then just come right out and say it. In the meantime, we have a talented kid 23 games into his career dealing with a huge personal issue and is playing below his capability. Proclaiming him a bust or a wasted pick at this point is not only futile, it's short-sighted.
GO BILLS!!!
Unfortunately, as Bills fans, the "what if" game is about all we've got at this point.
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1 STL Bradford, Sam, QB, Oklahoma 2 DET Suh, Ndamukong, DT, Nebraska 3 TB McCoy, Gerald, DT, Oklahoma 4 WAS Williams, Trent, OT, Oklahoma 5 KC Berry, Eric, SS, Tennessee 6 SEA Okung, Russell, OT, Oklahoma State 7 CLE Haden, Joe, CB, Florida 8 OAK McClain, Rolando, LB, Alabama 9 BUF
That's the order, what do you all think?
I can see Oakland, and perhaps TB, wanting a do-over. That's it.
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Do you honestly think any GM in the NFL gives "final grades" on a guy after one and a half seasons? And if so, that those grades on Dareus would be negative?
Right!
You did not answer my question, and I don't know what you mean by "final grades". I think good GM's are constantly evaluating the players on their rosters and on other teams' rosters.
And I did not say that Dareus is a bust; only that the available evidence, while not complete, does not look favorable, especially when he is compared to others taken later in the same round of the draft. I'm not sure how you can deny that.
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Perennial pro-bowl players. What would you have thought of Mario Williams after 1.5 years? Is that what it takes for you? Two pumps and a shake?
Do you seriously think any GM in the NFL would trade any of those six players for Dareus right now?
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Stop it. Even with your math, which probably includes guys like Christian Ponder, everyone from that class is unproven.There is nothing to suggest that Dareus is a bust (which, because of, and not in spite of, the OP's thread title, is EXACTLY he was suggesting), much less that he was drafted too early, at this point in his career or in the career of anyone else in the 2011 draft class.
No, I was not thinking of Ponder, but now that you mention it . . . .
Not sure how you can say "there is nothing to suggest that Dareus is a bust." There is actually quite a bit of evidence that he is headed to Bustville, namely the first seven games of this season and the oveall lack of impact he had last year. That is certainly not "nothing". In the meantime, Aldon Smith, JJ Watt, Julius Jones, Patrick Peterson, AJ Green, and Kerrigan are well on their way to establishing themselves as perrenial Pro Bowl players. Time to face the facts. Care to argue any of the above named players?
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What can be critically said now could also be said for the past generation. Second rate ownership that is responsible for a second rate orgnanization. The central problem with the team has little to do with the team as it does with the organization. The Bills have an owner who is in his 90s and who intends to have an estate auction when he passes. Obviously there is no long term strategy for franchise sustainability other than maximizing the value of the asset to widest market (including outside bidders).
The stadium is in a shambles and should be replaced with a new facility. But plans for a new stadium or even for a major renovation of the current antiquated facility can't be addressed because the current owner won't commit to keeping the team in the region.
From my perspective issues relating to the competency of the front office, coaching staff and players is misdirected when trying to figure out why this franchise is so troubled. Until there is new ownership the franchise is going to lack the energy and creativity necessary to get back on the right track. The idea of an NFL franchise being owned by someone 94 yrs old is an absurdity in itself. Other than insatiable greed it makes absolutely no sense.
Yep. We can all complain about Fitz, Buddy, Chan, etc., and call for their firing, but this really is the bottom line. There is no fix on the way under the Wilson Administration.
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Every time I look at the 1st round in the 2011 draft I throw up in my mouth a little bit. I'm not ready to believe that this young man can't be a difference maker but if you look at the list and the guys we had a shot at that are making a big impact every Sunday in the NFL, you probably will too,
Off the top of my head, there are at least seven players selected after marcel that would have been better picks. How is the orignal post an over-reaction?
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Yet a pass, a basic pass, on third down is reckless.
When did I say that? I actually agree with the decision to try to pick up the first down there. There was no reason to believe that our defense could prevent them from scoring, no matter where the Titans got the ball, and certainly no reason to believe our punter would pin them deep in any event.
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I forgot about the 4th and 1 play... I actually think going for the FG there, is far worse than not going for 2 at the end of the 4th quarter
They are equally bad decisions. They are decisions made by gutless, timid coaches, playing not to lose and/or playing to avoid criticism. What's more, both were poor decisions from a mathematical/statistical standpoint. They were Jauron/Gailey/Mularkey decisions. They were Buffalo Bills decisions.
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Andy Dalton: #35 overall. He’s an adequate starter at this point in his career. Cincy needed a QB badly with Palmer holding out. I’m not sure how much upside he has. Dalton’s passer rating in 2011 was almost the same as Fitz’s. It’s obviously better this year but they've only played 5 games. The Bills could have traded up to get him somewhere in the first round and lost a first round pick in a future draft.
So, by my reading, only Flacco is a true miss by the Bills in the last 7 years. There were a lot more poor QB picks the Bills could have made that other teams did. Jimmy Clausen, Colt McCoy, Mark Sanchez, Pat White, Brian Brohm, Chad Henne, Kevin O’Connell, Brady Quinn, John Beck, Drew Stanton, JaMarcus Russell, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Kellen Clemmens, Tavaris Jackson, Charlie Whitehurst, Brodie Croyle, Jason Campbell, Charlie Frye, Andrew Walter, and David Greene. All were selected in the first 3 rounds. That’s one hit (Flacco) and 21 misses. Picking QBs is a dicey prospect.
This is a very good post and you make a good point, but you are wrong about Dalton. I think he's better than adequate and could have been had with our second round pick in 2011, without trading up.
There's no question that it's difficult to find a franchise QB, but the point is that the Bills have not even tried for the past two years, despite having an inadequate starter. It's a cop-out to say none have been available. I'm not in favor of drafting a 1st round QB just out of need. A team that has serious needs at QB needs to draft one somewhere in the draft every year until they find the guy. There was absolutely no excuse not to take a chance this year on Russell Wilson, Foles, or Cousins. Or Dalton last year. Not saying any of them is the Franchise, but you have to take that chance. Now we will go into the 2013 draft in desperation mode and will probably reach or overpay for the wrong guy. Guaranteed.
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I maintain my position that Dareus was a good pick. With respect to AJ Green, Calvin Johnson and Julio Jones their talents would be squandered with a qb such as Fitz throwing to them. There should be no surprise that the three gifted and productive receivers you mentioned have good qbs throwing to them. Dalton, Stafford and Ryan dominate Fitz in ability.
I agree re the QBs. That's why the Bills should have drafted Dalton in round 2. But unlike the Bengals, they had no plan whatsoever, and no vision.
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I can't argue with the drafting of Dareus. He was a good pick. Not drafting Dalton in the second round was a glaring mistake. Does anyone believe that selecting Aaron Williams, a CB, over Dalton, a qb, advanced this franchise? Buddy Nix and his braintrust believed that Fitz was a legitimate franchise qb who at the minimum would buy time for upgrading the team before pursuing a more talented qb in the draft. It was a major miscalculation.
Apparently, Buddy's reasoning is that Aaron Williams was a higher rated player on his draft board. Instead of drafting a smart, accurate, high character qb with a good arm who is doing well with the Bengals he took a CB who is currently struggling on the field. Without a doubt the Bills have a lot of issues. The main one is the qb position, the most important position on the roster. Nix missed an opportunity that was there for the taking. He dropped the ball.
I don't think Nix should be let off the hook for drafting Dareus, even if he turns out to be a very good player (not much evidence of it yet). In today's NFL, having a stud WR is almost as important as having a franchise QB, and prospects like AJ Green don't come around that often and can usually only be had with premium picks. Atlanta understood this and paid a king's ransom to Cleveland for the right to draft Julio Jones; now it's paying off for them. Look at what having Calvin Johnson did for Detroit and the development of Stafford. Green has had a similar effect on Dalton and both could have been Bills if we had a GM with some vision. Green alongside Stevie would be a major matchup problem for a lot of teams for years to come, especially with a competent QB throwing the ball to them. Instead, we have a pretty good d-lineman and a useless DB. But in Nix we trust!
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You're right, and I stand corrected on that portion of my post. But, taking a WR at #3 when you have no offensive or defensive line and a mediocre QB is still not the wa to build a team, IMO.
Well, we we drafted Dareus and we still have no defensive line, a worse than mediocre QB, and sub-par WRs. If we had drafted Green and Dalton, two of those problems would have been solved and the franchise would have a foundation for future success. Instead, we now we have the foundation for future chaos. And spare me the "hindsight is a wonderful thing" talk. This front office has been wrong almost every single time. When you get shown up by the Bengals' front office you know you have hit the bottom of the barrel.
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Talent is there. How can anyone dispute the Dareus pick? Everyone had him graded that high and we needed a DT. Sophomore slump, maybe. Set up to fail? That's my bet. Wannstink has to go.
I dispute it. He's had flashes, but overall, he looks pretty ordinary. I'll say it: AJ Green, Patrick Peterson, Julio Jones and Aldon Smith all either have been or will soon be in the pro bowl and all would have been better picks. Who cares how high "we had him graded"? I thought it was a good pick at the time, too, but he's not doing squat, and at this point he is just the latest example of Incompetence at OBD.
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Buddy is so not the problem. This team has obvious talent.
What is your evidence for this statement? I keep tuning in on Sundays and my eyes keep telling me the opposite.
And if Fitz is the problem, why didn't Buddy address it in the LAST draft, or the one before that? Shouldn't he be the first person, as opposed to the last, to know that Fitz is not the long-term answer? And where do I go to collect on your guarantee in the event that Buddy does not "address" that issue in the 2013 draft?
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And yet we always complain the the Bills don't trade up for a high pick. So which is it? You want more picks or high picks?
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Not true at all. Very few folks here have urged the Bills to trade up for a high pick. Every time the Bills have traded up, it has been a disaster. I can't think of a single case where the Bills have traded down.
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2011 draft
2nd round pick A Williams, Half of the NFL scouts had this guy projected as a free safety in the NFL. Instead of him we could of taken Brooks Reed, Andy Dalton.
3rd round he takes a mediocre Lb that should have been in the late 4th rounder. Instead of taken a Rocket armed QB like Mallet, or another LB like Justin Houston to help keep building his 3-4 defense.
You are forgetting about the selection of Dareus in the first round of said draft. He has not improved this defense one whit. Meanwhile, the four players selected after him have already either been to a pro bowl or will be there this year. I'm not saying Dareus is a bust, but he certainly seems to be a Whitner-like selection--yes, a starter, but one who underperforms relative to where he was selected and the performance of players selected after him.
Anyone who thinks Buddy is a significant improvement on any of the GMs who preceeded him, is kidding himself.
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In the 2011 draft, the only QBs chosen in the first round after our pick were Locker (at 8), Gabbert 9 (at 10), and Ponder (at 12). I would rather have Dareus than Locker and Gabbert to this day and Ponder (certainly at the time and even today). As I mentioned above, I think that the Bills were hoping to get Ponder later.
True, but Andy Dalton was taken by the Bengals near the top of round 2, just after we selected a defensive back who has made zero impact. Also, I know this is sacrelige around here, but wouldn't we have been better off taking EJ Green with our first round pick that year? Dareus is a good player, but it's hard to say that he's had that much of an impact on our defense. In a passing league, the Bills would be a lot more difficult to defend with someone like Green lining up at WR along with Stevie.
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Check out this article from Grantland football writer Bill Barnwell documenting the epic series of disastrous moves by Carolina General Manager Marty Hurney:
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8406098/the-roster-moves-made-panthers-gm-incompetent-best
I know a lot of us (and I'm one of them) gripe about the mismanagement and bad decisions coming out of OBD, but it seems that Hurney is taking incompetence to a whole new level. On the other hand, at least Carolina can say it has a franchise QB. That sort of building block can outweigh a lot of bad front office decisions.
Barnwell is quickly becoming my favorite football writer.
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Shocking, but not a surprise. AZ has been flying under the radar because of their QB issues over the summer. But make no mistake; that defense has been very good going back to the middle of last season, perhaps longer. Especially their D line. That entire unit is hard to play against.
I agree. I watched the last quarter of the Cards' game against Seattle last week. They were bringing some serious heat against Russell Wilson. He had zero time to throw the ball on that last drive. They will be a tough opponent in the desert. The last time the Bills went there, they returned with a quarterback who was a shell of his former self and never really recovered.
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I didn't have a problem with the replacements. Yes, mistakes are made but mistakes are also made on a weekly basis by the regular refs as well. The calls we seen are no more agregious than what we see from our "regular" refeeres. I believe they will only get better as time goes on. I wonder how this effects their bargaining power in negotiations?
The NFL lives and dies with its players, not refeeres. The quality of the game is the same.
I agree. I would even go so far as to say that, from what I have seen (about four games) the replacement refs have been better than the regular ones. For example, on the pass interference calls (and non-calls) I did not see one that was clearly wrong. Those calls are routinely botched by the "regular" referees. In fact, I really didn't see any obviously blown calls. I realize this is a very unscientific opinion, but I have not seen any evidence that these refs are inferior to the regular ones. As they get more accustomed to the action, I expect things will run even more smoothly in the coming weeks.
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You cant upgrade everything in one season, but they could have taken Dalton or Mallet last year, they could have taken Cousins, Foles, Wilson this year all at great value positions...all of which have shown a lot more promise than Thigpen, Young, or Jackson...and most with more upside than even Fitz. Why is it other teams see potential worth drafting and our guys don't see it and prefer to stick with Fitz and Pigpen? What is our FO missing in the evaluation of these players that others are not?
This is the key point. The FO seems to have put a lot of the pieces in place for this team to make a playoff run, but the bottom line is that, despite all that, the Bills, like pretty much every other team in the league, will go only as far as their QB takes them. In 7 years in the league, Fitz has not shown he can take a team to the playoffs, much less to a Super Bowl. For a team like the Bills that has serious question marks/deficiencies at QB, it is downright irresponsible NOT to take serious steps in the offseason to upgrade the position NOW, rather than always waiting for the next draft. Obviously you can't and shouldn't use a first round pick on a QB every year, but you should at least use a mid or lower round pick on a developmental prospect every year until you find THE guy. By my calculations, the Bills have drafted exactly one QB since taking Trent Edwards, and that was a 7th rounder from a minor program. Sorry, but that's just not acceptable in today's NFL.
Buddy says he wants to draft a QB this year
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Apparently, sarcasm does not always come through on the internet.