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Don't hold your breath....
The best part of this debate is the contention by some that Wilson's performance could not have been predicted. Yet look at his college performance--especially his 5 year---at Wisconsin. He was very good playing with very big men.
And yet Tannehill, who had mediocre numbers at A&M, went in the top ten. How could a professional talent evaluator look at those two prospects and decide Tannehill should go at no. 9 overall, and that Wilson should last to Round 3? I'm not saying Tannehill sucks, by the way. I'm just pointing out the silliness of those who say Wilson was a longshot or, even worse, a fluke.
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He's good, but mostly a product of Kelly's system at Oregon. I'd consider other options before Mariotta.
Not true at all. Kelly's system is a "run first" offense and the Ducks have no game-breaking receivers. If anything, Mariotta would be even better in a pro-style offense like what USC runs. He is 6'4", has a great arm, runs a 4.5 and has all the intangibles.
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He's a fluke. 99 out of 100 5'11" QBs, if not 999 out of 1000 5'11" QBs, would have that height affect their play negatively.
I'm calling BS here. All you are doing is repeating the conventional wisdom. What is your evidence for this statement? Please name some of the "99" short (under 6'0") QBs who were exceptional in college, were given a chance to play in the NFL, and failed due to their lack of height. OK, just name two. And you can leave out Colt McCoy. He's 6'1".
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1st pick on 2014 is Johnny Football
Nope. Marcus Mariotta.
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Anyone else think Phil Simms is the best NFL play-by-play man there is right now?
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My biggest problem with running QBs is their longevity. Will RG3 ever be the same? Michael Vick is an injury waiting to happen everytime he runs.
You base the entire offense around one guy and he gets hurt? You got trouble
Some running QBs seem more susceptible to injury than others. Vick and RGIII for example, as opposed to Newton and Kaepernick. Kaepernick is so big and strong it's hard to imagine him getting beaten up. Flutie is another one who never seemed to get hit very hard. I think R. Wilson is similar in that regard.
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Some great games this weekend.
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The announcer giving them a hard time for the running clock is crazy. Atlanta won't have time to score if Seattle finishes if here
He is an imbecile. He also suggested Seahawks might kick a FG and then try an onside kick.
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Me too but I've also been late to the Seahawks bandwagon so I'm not sure how much I give Atlanta on this yet. They are a talented team but I still don't buy that they are mentally tough and I'm not sure a blowout at home against a rookie qb changes that feeling.
Still selling Russell Wilson short, huh?
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1) Why would we trade for Smith and his big salary expectations, bring in a rookie to groom, and resign TJax without cutting Fitz? Futhermore, once we cut Fitz, we will have a heavy commitment in salary to QB's; Fitz no longer on the team, TJax sitting on the bench and Smith coming in to sit on the bench in a few years.
2) Unless we are sure Smith would be better then Fitz then we can't be sure of anything. TJax and Thigpen are a free agent and at least one of them is able to keep up with Smith.
3) I cannot imagine any situation where Alex Smith would be happy on a team that is looking to replace him in a few seasons and get the same treatment he has received in San Fran.
There will be teams pursuing Smith but I don't think any of them will see him as The Franchise; like the Bills, they will be looking for someone to come in and compete and maybe start for a year or two. Smith might not like that, but he'll have to deal with it. I can see the Jets, Chiefs, and maybe Jacksonville going after him, but i doubt he will cost more than a 3d. And yes, I'm sure he's better than Fitz.
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Flacco is playing himself for a huge payday. They're never going to let him hit the open market.
Baltimore is a very smart organization. The guys they let walk seldom perform well elsewhere. Not unlike another perennial AFC playoff team that happens to be in our division. If they were to let Flacco hit the FA market, which they won't, it would be "buyer beware".
The Ravens have two LB's playing with injuries that should have kept them out for months longer...I think we need their doctor in Buffalo.
He may be just across the border in Canada.
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Actually I can't believe they didn't go for it on 4th and 5 from around mid field down 2 scores. Was there really any doubt 9ers would score again if they got the ball? McCarty is a terrific coach but that was an elephant size brain fart.
Yep. That's called waiving the white flag. Timid, Buffalo Bills-type football.
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The problem with Buddy is that some of the prospects that he didn't believe were worth drafting turned out to be good prospects for other teams. Very often it is worse to make a mistake due to "omission" rather than make a mistake due to "commision". (As you pointed out.) What has bothered me the most about the Nix era is that there didn't seem to be an urgency to address the qb position. What made his lackadaisical approach more egregious is that his franchise qb was clearly inadequate. Not having a young qb in the pipeline during his three year stint as GM set back this franchise.
Although many here have defended Buddy's decision to pass on Wilson and Cousins in the 3d last year (using the old "hindsight is 20/20" argument) it is interesting to note that the other two GMs of QB needy teams who also passed on them in the 3d round Pioli and Smith of Jacksonville (Smith picked a punter one slot ahead of R Wilson) both were fired this offseason, and for good reason.
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If after a thorough evaluation the organization believes that Tyler Wilson, Glennon, Barkley etc are the best qb cadidates who are capable of being a starter in this league then why wait and take the risk of losing their favored qb prospect? The mistake Buddy has made in the past is that he concentrated on player rankings rather than considering position importance. He has admitted that if you are targeting a qb you like that it is smarter to pull the trigger earlier rather than later.
Whatever other position needs the Bills have (LB, WR) can be adequately filled with the next two rounds. Also, free agency can fill some holes, especially at the LB position. But without a doubt it is going to be difficult getting a quality qb from the free agent market.
In two years what position selection is this year's draft will have the greatest impact for the team? Without question it is going to be the qb selection. If that is the case then why not guarantee that you will be in position to take the highest rated qb left on your board with your early first round selection. In this case it is smarter drafting a qb a little bit early than it is risking losing your preferred qb if you wait.
There is a lot of speculation that the Bills would consider Nassib in the second round. The other teams know that the Bills staff have had a relationship with him at Syracuse. If some other teams also find him an appealing prospect they might leap ahead of us and snatch him from our grasp. It's happened before, and it could happen again. By no means am I suggesting taking Nassib with our early first round pick because his talent level doesn't warrant taking him at that point. But if there is a qb on the board who has a first round grade and that the Bills like then it behooves them to make the selection.
I suppose you're right. I just don't trust Buddy to chose the right QB.
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I don't have the link anymore, but someone evaluated the overall draft position of each player position for all 32 teams and their 2-deep depth charts. LB (outside of special teams players like kickers) was the lowest as I recall. So, either there are a lot of NFL teams with really bad LB play (like the Bills
) or it is altogether possible to find productive LBs fairly deep into the draft. (BTW, I am kidding a bit; we can logically ignore the first argument, because the numbers reflected the entire NFL and not a sample set of just bad LBs. The fact is that for the NFL as a whole productive LBs are found deep into the draft, and deeper than other positions.)Very interesting stuff. Another factor is that LBs, along with DBs, tend to make up the core of special teams, thus providing added value over, say, monster linemen, even though monster linemen are a rarer breed.
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The best approach for the Bills to take is to rank all the qbs and then take the highest rated qb on their board. The question to be asked is in two or three years which selection they make will have the most impact for the team? Most certainly it is going to be a qb.
If the Bills believe that there are a few reasonable qb picks who will be on the board in the second round then what happens if other teams maneuver ahead of us to snatch a coveted prospect? Buddy has suggested that that is what happened last year. This is the year to get a good qb prospect on the roster, even if that prospect is not going to play right away. The odds improve in your favor that drafting a qb prospect higher than lower will work out better.
I'm not wedded to any particular player. Tyler Wilson and Glennon are interesting prospects. Barkley might be the most ready to play right away but there are questions about his arm strength. Nassib seems like a Dalton type prosect. A tough heady player who has adequate physical tools but there is nothing special about him.
Without a doubt this year's draft is going to be extremely fascinating because it is going to give us some insight as to how this new regime operates. There comes a time when a staid organization has to be bold just for the sake of being different from the same cautious mentality that has not gotten us very far.
As usual, I agree with much of what you say here. I don't agree, however, that we need to take a QB with the first pick. It's early in the process, but it seems there are going to be no sure-fire top 10 picks among the QB crop. From what I have read, there will be 5 to 7 who have second round grades or better and it will be hard to pick among them. I think it's a safe bet that one of those top 5-7 will be there when we pick in round 2 and that we should simply take the best one available at that time. I think teams' hubris sometimes tells them that a particular player is the best among several similar players at the same position, and they move up to get him. History usually proves them wrong. See Poz v. David Harris, for example. The Bills did the right thing last year when they held tight and took Glenn in the second, knowing that at least one of the top tackles would be there for them. In the past, they might have identified their guy, panicked, and moved up to make sure they got him. The bottom line is that it seems there will be little to separate this year's QB crop, so it's probably best to wait and see what comes.
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Teo has probably lost a lot of stock as a draft choice after Alabama, but let's see how he does in the combine and after the smoke clears from the championship debacle. I think as of now he is a late first or early second round pick, making him an unlikely choice for us.
That's not possible. I read here that he might go no. 1 in the whole draft and that we should definitely trade up to get him. And he almost won the Heisman!!!
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watched McCarron last night very closely for the first time. kid has tremendous pocket presence. quite mobile, and placed some balls where only his wr could get it. there where some long balls that would be nice to get back, but those are low percentage throws, and arms strength is not an issue. sign me up in 2014 for this kid
There will be a lot of good QBs available in the 2014 draft. Maybe we should not have been so quick to fire Gailey.
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It's immaterial what Andrews says.
It doesn't change the facts that:
1) RGIII's play was hurting the team
2)RGIII's play was also exposing him to further injury
3) Shanny did not recognize that leaving RGIII in the game was a lose-lose situation, there was nothing to gain and everything to lose
4) Shanny who is a maniacal autocrat, somehow let a player make a decision that a coach is supposed to make
That's pretty much all there is to say on this subject. I simply cannot believe all the talking heads at ESPN (Dilfer, Wilbon, etc) who are defending Shanahan. They talk as if the Redskins had no chance to win if RGIII was taken out, when it was precisely the opposite. I don't think I've ever seen a clearer case of coach's malfeasance.
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Whats bothering me here is Saben can be this dormant at the highest collage levels yet fail in the NFL. What does that do to the odds our .500 SU can be successful?
It's a myth that Saban failed in the NFL. Check his record. He quit because he was with a disfunctional franchise with no QB. And he's a jerk.
Sorry ND but you're playing against a real team from a real conference. What a joke of a championship game.
ND not as bad as they looked tonight. They did beat some very good teams this year, although I don't think they would beat Stanford with Hogan at QB.
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Shanahan wanted to win at all costs, well he sure showed everybody.
The irony is that by protecting his injured player, he would have given his team a better chance to win that game. Instead he turned it into a lose-lose proposition. I cannot believe the mindless ESPN talking heads like Dilfer who are supporting Shanahan. Incredible.
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it's very possible that washington LIED about the severity of his injuries from a month ago......
Yep. And the Skins were fined $20,000 earlier this year for not promptly reporting RGIII's concussion. Shanahan is a weasel.
And am I the only one who thinks RGIII is getting a big head? "I'm our best option." What kind of nonsense is that?
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Unconfirmed reports out of DC are that RGIII has a torn ACL and torn PCL with a 14-18 month recovery time. No way Cousins gets traded.
If I were Dan Snyder, Shanahan would be packing his bags right now. And he'd be taking his son with him.
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Link?
Latest update I saw is that there is "a difference of opinion" over whether the MRI shows any new damage vs. old changes. He's going back to Andrews tomorrow to seetle the issue.
Maybe they should just ask Shanahan what he thinks.
Russell Wilson will never be elite
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Obviously.