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Steve Smith, Jr.Has Carolina had the opportunity to pay a receiver and opted against it? .
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Byrd and Hall are working out for SF currently. Hopefully they keep their options open.
I think Beane will look for bargains at this point. The Bills have about $9M in cap space available. He knows that he can't afford to sign anyone major, but he also knows that it is very important that he give his HC enough fire power to at least show what he can do.
Even if the Bills don't win more than 8 games this year McD will be evaluated to determine if he is the long term solution.
I expect more help to be on the way.
Byrd would be an excellent pick up for the Bills, at this point. If he is signed and healthy, I would expect him to start or at least see significant playing time.
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IIRC, the Bills' offense had the fewest turnovers in the league last year (by far), which obviously helps a defense's PPG considerably.Right, and the O made the most of it ranking 10th in the league in PPG.
The problem is giving the opposition the ball deep in its own territory and watching them march the entire length of the football field.
Can you see how that works against us?
with all due respect
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It was Lou Saban, not Knox.
Oops. My bad...that was before I moved to Buffalo.
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LOL you're a big Sammy fan.
I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean, but if Sammy was considered less than elite by some scouts it could have been because (a) he lacks ideal size (see AJ Green, Julio Jones and Megatron, for example), (b) he is fast but lacks true top-end speed, and © there were questions about how he was used in the Clemson offense, the concern being that he caught an awful lot of passes behind the LOS. Again, everyone agreed he was a first round talent...
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Well then you had Julio Jones as a bust through year three. You failed miserably on that one.
Interestingly, OJ Simpson, who played a much easier position to transition and played four years of college ball, did very little in his first three years in the NFL. He did not begin to realize his potential until year four, when the Bills got rid of Rauch and hired Chuck Knox...And the rest history. (Just had to add that because I'm reading the Jeff Toobin book about the OJ trial...Highly recommended.)
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That's definitely some revisionist history. He was the top player on a bunch of boards (including the Bills).
I don't doubt it. As I said, there is no way Watkins would have lasted until pick 9, so the trade up was defensible at least from that standpoint. It drives me crazy when a team trades up for a guy who probably would have been available anyway.
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that is definitely revisionist history
Maybe, but those scouts, if they existed, were probably right (and I'm a big Sammy fan).
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Old School with all due respect I think your missing the point
- Offense improves to 10 most scoring points in the league
- DEFENSE drops from 5th overall into the middle of the league
- End result...the wins/losses remain the same for the team
Now Im not saying that the offense could not have been better....it could have....but which one here was the most likely reason we missed the playoffs?
I don't have a link, but the advanced statistics guys ranked our defense quite a bit lower than middle of the pack last year...more like "bottom of the barrel."
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I think that you hit on what a lot of people were missing. They start talking about all of these other receivers from the draft that have played well. At the time of the draft only Evans was considered in his league and probably less than 1 out of 20 would have ranked Evans higher. Watkins was an ELITE prospect with a high ceiling and a high floor. He was clean on the medical end and had just a small off the field issue (think it was weed as a young player). He had just come off of a game where he ANNAHILATED an elite OSU secondary. Watkins was the highest graded player on many teams board in 2014 and higher than any prospect in 2013. He was, by many accounts, the best player to come out between the end of the 2012 draft and the start of the 2015 draft. He was considered the best receiver prospect since Julio and AJ Green and graded out similarly.
Since coming into the league he has had some nagging injuries but that is bad luck. We didn't know that coming out. When he has been thrown the ball he has performed like the prospect that he was. The Bills need to get him healthy and to throw him the ball 10 times a game. if you do that he will unquestionably be a star.
Maybe it's revisionist history, but I have seen recent reports that before the 2014 draft, more than a few scouts viewed Watkins as a very good prospect (15th to 20th selection) rather than an elite one (top five). At the time, almost all of the reports I remember seeing fell into the former category and don't think there was any way Watkins would have dropped to 9, but apparently there were some doubters...
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Nothing personal, but I hate the term "game changer". I understand what you are saying, though. I think (1) it's unfair to pin a team's win or losses on a WR, or any one player for that matter, and (2) when he was healthy, Watkins was underutilized, although he still produced. I hope Dennison plans to change that in 2017.The same could be said in they 2 games they won with him as a starter, Cleveland and Jacksonville, the two teams combined for 4 wins. The bottom line is that so far in his career, he has not been a game changer. People make it sound like they cant win without him, when to the contrary, last year they had a better record without him than without him.
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You might want to look at who the Bills were playing in those games, and how healthy Sammy was in some of the games he did play. If you think a healthy Watkins would not help the Bills win games in 2017, then I just don't know what to say. And of course, any future draft pick(s) the Bills might acquire for Watkins would contribute zero this coming season.I would have to disagree, that if they did trade Sammy, that they were giving up on the season (and how healthy. Sammy was not an impact player for them last year. The team went 5-3 without him and 2-6 with him. And in one of the wins he played in was against Cleveland, he had 1 catch for 10 yards in garbage time. Maybe they think they can find a player who can contribute to wins with the pick they would get in return.
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. I disagree with your assessment of Z Jones, but I too disliked both of the trade ups in a very deep draft. I dislike the Jones trade up a little less because at least it was two picks for two picks. IMO, it's always better to just be patient. There is every chance that Jones or Samuel is still there at 44.Now let's get to the draft. Tre White was drafted in the right place. I won't get into who they passed because that has been exhausted to death. But it was a QB prospect that someone who was his former boss and QB guru wanted. That should have alerted Sean that he might not have the winning hand. Now to Zay Jones. I think he was not only a reach but we spent a 2nd AND 3rd on him. Terrible value for a future 2nd or 3rd possession receiver. Dawkins I love as a pick and where we got him. But again, to fill the need they gave away picks. You don't trade away picks when you are building or rebuilding to fill needs.
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I agree, and if Beane were to make that deal, it would sway me to your position that McDermott and company are in over their heads. I can't see it happening, though. It would, IMO, amount to giving up on 2017, which the new coach cannot afford to do.I don't think anyone has ever accused me of drinking the Koolaid on this board and I can state that Sammy Watkins is a special talent who the Bills would be foolish to trade for a low 1st or 2nd round pick.
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So, interpolated over 16 games with Tyrod, Watkins would "average" about 1200 yards on 17.5 YPC? Those don't look like career-killing numbers to me. Sort of undermines the "Watkins wants out of Buffalo because Tyrod is trash" narrative, doesn't it?Sure, it could be argued that way, true.
But it's not like Sammy Watkins was some well-established vet in the NFL who's proven he can be an Elite WR. I love the guy's talent, but he's been massively underwhelming in the NFL based on expectations.
Still, it's notable that Sammy has split time almost exactly evenly between Taylor and the combo of Orton/Jones/Manuel with 19 games under Taylor (1 of those being a 1 catch 1st quarter injury in Miami in 2015 and out) and 18 under those other guys.
1398 yards, 73.6 yards per game, 17.5 yards per catch
1061 yards, 58.9 yards per game, 14.5 yards per catch
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It's a silly question to begin with because there are no five-team divisions in the NFL. First, you have to ask who the Bills would switch places with. If they switched with GB, the Billls would compete for the title every year, given a steady diet of Bears, vikes and Lions. It would be a bit different if we swapped places with CHI...Guys, maybe you are poking fun, but honestly it isn't that hard:
Packers fan:
How well do you think the Bills would do if you played in the NFC North? If you had to play us, Chicago, Minnesota and Detroit? You think you would sweep us?
On topic, I'm with the rest that answered, I think we would split with 1-2 teams and sweep the other 2. So between 4-6 wins out of 8 games. On the other side, the Packers would probably make out better in the AFC East despite the Patriots. Bills have been mediocre, and the Jets/Dolphins are trash.
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It would be a terrible idea, and pretty strong evidence that our new administration is clueless. If they were going to trade Watkins, they should have done it before the draft and before they declined the year five option. Now he has less value to a potential trading partner.
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Well, if the Bills switched places with GB (meaning they would only have to play DET, MN, and CHI within the division) they would be contenders every year.
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Wow, talk about hindsight.
Dareus was the best D-Lineman in the draft, and that's what the Bills needed.
No one could have predicted what would happen in his personal life.
He's an outstanding player on defense who for the last two years was asked to play NT, a position he was not meant to play.
Yes, he's an idiot for getting himself suspended, and he needs to change his attitude, but he is arguably the best player the Bills have on defense.
So we can't use hindsight to evaluate draft picks? Are we required, then, to simply rely on what Mel and Todd and Mayock said at the time about the pick? At any rate, you did not need extraordinary powers to know that AJ Green and Julio Jones (not to mention Patrick Peterson) were going to have a far greater impact than even a very good defensive tackle.
As to your statement that Dareus was the "best d-lineman in the draft", well, that just laughable. He's at best the fourth best defensive lineman taken in the first round that year, behind JJ Watt, Ryan Kerrigan, and Mo Wilkerson. It's a stretch to say Dareus has been better than Cameron Jordan and there is no way in hell he's better than Jurrell Casey, who the Titans took in Round 3.
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They could, but it would be a waste of breath.Do Falcons fans complain about the A.j. green trade ?
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I said "outside TBD". Show me a list of top five interior linemen that included Dareus.Prior to last year, Dareus was most certainly a top 5 interior lineman.
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Dareus has had his moments and he has not been a bust, but he does not play a premium position and there were generational talents taken at premium positions immediately after him. It is irrelevant that he was not considered a reach at the time. Although Dareus has talent, outside of TBD he is not considered a top five (or even top ten) interior lineman.He was hardly a bad pick at the time; he was widely considered one of the best players in that class.
I'll admit that there were a vocal minority of us that wanted JJ Watt, but most folks thought Cam/Von Miller/Dareus/AJ Green were the elites in that class.
Also, Dareus was a wrecking ball in '13 and '14. I don't excuse his off-field behavior, but the fact that Rex's defense adversely affected every player along the defensive front can hardly be ignored here.
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That hurts. Anyone who thinks Dareus is in the same universe as those guys is delusional. He was a bad pick and an example of the perils of drafting for need.for those worried about passing on troubled talent
PRO BOWL players picked after Dareus in 2011
#4 - aj green
#5- patrick peterson
#6- julio jones
#9 - tyron smith
#11- jj watt
#15 - mike pouncy
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Wow. What a load of rubbish. If this is a window into Whaley's thought process, then it's pretty scary that he was in charge of this team for so long.Former Bills GM Doug Whaley for the first time Monday addressed Buffalo's decision to allow RB Mike Gillislee to sign a two-year, $6.4 million offer sheet with New England last month. Whaley told SiriusXM NFL Radio that he believes the Patriots can "overpay" for players like Gillislee because Tom Brady is paid a less than market-value deal.
Rumor- Bills will entertain trade offers for Watkins?
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