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Why bother drafting a QB in the first? Just keep looking for other team's backups.
I wonder how many more years of this it will take before fans get fed up?
Right, because it's been proven that the only way to obtain a good QB is to draft one in the first round. It's guaranteed!
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Excatly right. Just say NO to moving up in round 1.I would think going up to #1 overall, given that the QB sitting there was the top prospect in years, would cost at least 3 1sts and two 2nds, not counting whatever 1st you swap to move up.
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Why would you take Tannehill's future? He's started almost three times as many games as Tyrod has, he's a year older than Tyrod, and his numbers really aren't any better than Tyrod's. What makes you think he will improve but Tyrod won't?Certainly he's better than Fitz was, and worse than Brady.
You look at the stats and it looks like Tannehill is passing better than Tyrod, a much higher completion percentage and a considerably longer YPA (8th vs.26th), significantly more INTs but more late-game success than Tyrod (3 fourth quarter comebacks and 3 game-winning drives vs. Tyrod's one and one).
But certainly Tyrod runs better. So overall, well, it's not out of the question.
I'd take Tannehill, myself. But to each their own, I guess. Neither guy's that great, but I'd take Tannehill's future.
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I think this is the most legitimate criticism of Tyrod that I've read here. He often holds the ball too long, and he also tends to bail out of a clean pocket. I think those things can improve with more nfl game experience.I'm not talking about the QBR, just simple stats: like sacks.
Most sacked QB in the league because he can't make decisions and waits: holds the ball too long.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/sacks
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It's a pretty good list, but without context, what does it mean? It seems to me that YPA (or net YPA) is what really matters. Within YPA, there are air yards and YAC. If two quarterbacks each have YPA of 8.0, who cares if one has more YAC than the other? It just means the other QB probably has higher air yards per attempt. Which QB is more accurate? Impossible to tell. The one with more YAC is probably just throwing shorter passes, which tend to generate higher YAC.The list goes, for 2016:
1. Brees
2. Ryan
3. Stafford
4. Flacco
5. Rivers
6. Rodgers
7. Bradford
8. Manning
9. Cousins
10. Smith
That's not a bad list. It lends credence to the idea that YAC should be factored, however weighted, into a QB's evaluation.
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Thank you. The Bills' QB situation is better than it's been at any time since Jim Kelly retired. They have a starter who is at least NFL average and two young backups with potential. The last think anyone should be thinking about is mortgaging the future next year for another rookie.One thing I don't get about all the TT bashing, is that those doing the bashing apparently think franchise QBs grow on trees. The 50th best QB in the world is someone like Mark Sanchez. Playing QB is incredibly hard.
TT is a top 20 QB. But some fans are like, get rid of him! Draft Mahomes! Draft Watson! There is no gurantee that either of these players will be any better than Sanchez, much less Tyrod.
And then there's the crowd already mortgaging present and future draft picks for Darnold or Rosen next year. It's ridiculous. Andrew Luck does not come around every year.
The Bills can win with TT. Play to his strengths, have a scheme that lets him succeed. Have receivers who are better than scrubs, etc.
TT is our QB for the at least one more season...probably more, unless Peterman steps up. Get used to it.
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There are lots of good statistics with which to judge QBs. YAC is probably the worst; it may in fact be entirely useless.I agree that it's difficult to use YAC as a QB measurable between different offensive systems, but why can't you say that all things being equal, hitting a receiver in stride (ie throwing an accurate, NFL level pass) is going to usually produce better numbers? I mean, you can't just wash your hands and say, 'Well, all offensive systems are different and we don't know what the playcall was anyway, so you can't use YAC to judge a QB's performance.' We have to be able to use SOME statistics. Otherwise you might as well throw everything out, including passer rating and the things that Taylor scores either average or above average on, because it's possible the offensive system we run is conducive to high QB rating and isn't indicative of the actual quality of said QB at all.
Let's just be consistent. If we're going to qualify certain statistics because offensive systems are a variable, do it for all statistics good and bad.
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Actually, it proves that people let their prejudices and preconceived notions cloud their judgments about players. Or do you think your "eye test" tells the real story?proof that relying on stats is totally useless for the reality of leading a team down the field.
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And coaches need to not call reverses to Reggie Bush or punts from the other team's 42 yard line in OT.Those things cannot all be layed at the qbs feet......the players around them need to execute.
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Really? Kaepernick threw for 16 TDs and only four ints in 12 games last year. He also rushed for almost 500 yards. In what universe does that equal "terrible"? It's pretty clear he has not been signed because of the political controversy, not because he can't play.Kapernick and Cutler are terrible. Maybe Kap to compete for a backup job on some scrub team
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There is not a scrap of evidence to support a single thing you've said here. For example, your statement that Wentz "does a lot to give his team a chance to win" is utterly meaningless, and is certainly not supported by the objective fact that the Eagles, after starting the season 3-0, finished 7-9, even though they had a far better defense than Buffalo did last year. And as you acknowledge, Wentz's numbers, especially after the first four games, were worse than Tyrod's. What's your explanation for that?The problem with Fahey and his whole evaluation is that the QB data is flawed and therefor cannot be compared as equal. Different Qb's run different offensive schemes, and some require much more complexity, risk taking, and ownership to make adjustments according to what they see pre snap.
Taylor ran about as simplified and basic an offense as a QB can. Lynn did this after he couldn't handle Roman's offense.
Taylor's accuracy and turnover ratio is good when viewed through the narrow lens that Fahey is looking through, but when you look at what other QB's are doing in terms of complexity, responsibility, and the chances they take to make plays for their team, Taylor looks like a guy that doesn't measure up.
This is why people use the eye test and come away not being very impressed with Taylor and his numbers, and routinely find guys with more INT's to look much more capable at the position. Carson Wentz is a guy who you may come away unimpressed with if you look at his raw numbers, but he clearly runs his team's offense, and does alot to give his team a chance to win. I would take Wentz over Taylor with no hesitation.
The bottom line is that Taylor is the posterchild for misleading stats. What you see on paper looks good, but what you are actually getting on the field is below average production and an offense that fails when it matters most. Dare Taylor to win with his arm late in games and you are a virtual lock to win against the Bills.
Tyrod is not a great QB, but he's also far from terrible. Fahey's stats are an attempt to provide context and insight beyond the usual numbers like completion percentage, TD/int. ratio, etc. They aren't necessarily the final word, but they undeniably provide a deeper, evidence-based perspective on QB performance.
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And Jonathan Allen to the Skins, and Fournette in the four slot to a team from Florida!Well almost exactly a calendar year ago he said the Bills would take Tre'Davious White
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Thank you. Very persuasive. I guess I'll cross McShay off my list.Thats the last guy Id listen too. Hes an idiot
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Apparently, the Giants did.Right. Even as an LSU fan I didn't see Odell's game translating this well to the NFL. I don't think anyone did.
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KC has had a winning record for like 4 years in a row, haven't they? Not saying it's a guarantee, but I don't see that pick being higher than 20.
It's not likely to be higher than 20, but they do play in a tough division and I expect the Chargers to be much improved this year. At least the trade will give us another team to root for this season--whoever is playing the Chiefs.
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Talk to me in three years when Cardale, Petermen and Yates are lighting up the NFL.
Talk to me when Mahomes is lighting up the NFL, and Tyrod, Cardale, Peterman and our extra first round pick next year have all flamed out. It might happen, but the chances are pretty good that it won't.
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No, i think they said he was no. 2 on their board after Thomas. Not sure I believe it though.Didn't the 49ers say they would have taken him with their pick if they didn't trade down with the Bears?
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True, but they had to be confident there would be someone at 27 that they liked. They probably thought either White or Humphrey would be available there.Dropping down 17 spots, you can't be assured of what player will be there. They were probably ecstatic that White was still there.
I wonder if the Bills still make the trade if Corey Davis had been available at 10.
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Yeah, I'm very glad we stayed away from this guy. SF gets a pass for gambling on Foster because of how brilliantly they raped the Bears early in the draft...We can speculate all we want as to why Reuben fell as far as he did, but there likely is a very good reason (beyond the shoulder) that 30 teams passed on one of the top prospects in the draft.
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Another factor that should be considered is that White's cap number is much lower than Lattimore's would have been at 10, and his 5th year option will be MUCH cheaper as well.
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Excellent article, as was the Vox article that it linked to. I was not a fan of the trade ups, but the Bills did not give up too much, so I can live with it. (I'll be pretty unhappy if Curtis Samuel becomes a star, though.) And I'm very happy to have an extra first next year. And no, not so they can use it to trade up...Found this article that was published yesterday...it provides an optimistic perspective (supported by data) regarding the Bills' moves in this year's draft. While acknowledging that trading up is almost never a good idea, the data suggests the Bills' "losses" in their two trades up into the 2nd round were negligible, and more than offset by a significant gain in their trade down.
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Funny, I could have sworn the Bills drafted quarterbacks this year and last year. Have they both busted already?The Bills just don't like picking QB's, I don't know what else to say...
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Wrong.Did you or did you not say "All we have to go on is the statistics that are available, and they show that Tryod was actually pretty good."
Most of his "statatistics" say otherwise. According to your measurement.
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According your measurement, in 2016, Blake Bortles was a better quarterback than Prescott, Roethlisberger, Cam Newton, and Mariota (among others). See how that works?Whatever, you said evaluate by stats, since those stats don't paint the right picture for you, you dismiss them.
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