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And Jonathan Allen to the Skins, and Fournette in the four slot to a team from Florida!Well almost exactly a calendar year ago he said the Bills would take Tre'Davious White
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Thank you. Very persuasive. I guess I'll cross McShay off my list.Thats the last guy Id listen too. Hes an idiot
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Apparently, the Giants did.Right. Even as an LSU fan I didn't see Odell's game translating this well to the NFL. I don't think anyone did.
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KC has had a winning record for like 4 years in a row, haven't they? Not saying it's a guarantee, but I don't see that pick being higher than 20.
It's not likely to be higher than 20, but they do play in a tough division and I expect the Chargers to be much improved this year. At least the trade will give us another team to root for this season--whoever is playing the Chiefs.
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Talk to me in three years when Cardale, Petermen and Yates are lighting up the NFL.
Talk to me when Mahomes is lighting up the NFL, and Tyrod, Cardale, Peterman and our extra first round pick next year have all flamed out. It might happen, but the chances are pretty good that it won't.
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No, i think they said he was no. 2 on their board after Thomas. Not sure I believe it though.Didn't the 49ers say they would have taken him with their pick if they didn't trade down with the Bears?
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True, but they had to be confident there would be someone at 27 that they liked. They probably thought either White or Humphrey would be available there.Dropping down 17 spots, you can't be assured of what player will be there. They were probably ecstatic that White was still there.
I wonder if the Bills still make the trade if Corey Davis had been available at 10.
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Yeah, I'm very glad we stayed away from this guy. SF gets a pass for gambling on Foster because of how brilliantly they raped the Bears early in the draft...We can speculate all we want as to why Reuben fell as far as he did, but there likely is a very good reason (beyond the shoulder) that 30 teams passed on one of the top prospects in the draft.
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Another factor that should be considered is that White's cap number is much lower than Lattimore's would have been at 10, and his 5th year option will be MUCH cheaper as well.
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Excellent article, as was the Vox article that it linked to. I was not a fan of the trade ups, but the Bills did not give up too much, so I can live with it. (I'll be pretty unhappy if Curtis Samuel becomes a star, though.) And I'm very happy to have an extra first next year. And no, not so they can use it to trade up...Found this article that was published yesterday...it provides an optimistic perspective (supported by data) regarding the Bills' moves in this year's draft. While acknowledging that trading up is almost never a good idea, the data suggests the Bills' "losses" in their two trades up into the 2nd round were negligible, and more than offset by a significant gain in their trade down.
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Funny, I could have sworn the Bills drafted quarterbacks this year and last year. Have they both busted already?The Bills just don't like picking QB's, I don't know what else to say...
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Wrong.Did you or did you not say "All we have to go on is the statistics that are available, and they show that Tryod was actually pretty good."
Most of his "statatistics" say otherwise. According to your measurement.
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According your measurement, in 2016, Blake Bortles was a better quarterback than Prescott, Roethlisberger, Cam Newton, and Mariota (among others). See how that works?Whatever, you said evaluate by stats, since those stats don't paint the right picture for you, you dismiss them.
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Yep, if you are foolish enough to believe that total yards is the best way to evaluate a QB.I guess so if you consider, what 30th, 31st, 29th or whatever it was in passing as good. Like you said, just going by stats right!
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So it is great to break a QB ranking solely based on stats of passes thrown, completed, dropped, intercepted, dropped interceptions etc. It provides a glimpse into his ability.
But I think what most of us think of Tyrod's play is not the passes thrown but of open receiver's not thrown to so he ran, covered receivers not thrown to who may have made a play, open receivers not thrown to but he checked down to a back. That is where the criticism is. Most of us could have lived with a few more INT's if offset by more TD's and first downs.
A feared passing attack would have made our running game stronger.
We would all love to have seen Tyrod throw for more TDs, but none of the above is based on anything other than anecdotal evidence. Unless you watched an entire season of all-22s, you can't possibly know how many open receivers Tryod did not throw to, and even then it would be highly subjective. And unless you watched all-22s for all 32 teams, you would not know how many open receivers other teams' QB failed to throw to, and you would need that information to make a fair evaluation of Tyrod in those areas, right?. I've got news for you though: Every QB in the league misses lots of open guys every game. All we have to go on is the statistics that are available, and they show that Tryod was actually pretty good.
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NIU??Blount is decent on special teams but has the whole character issue. Loved him out of niu. But he's not anything more than a 3rd back and that's where he need to be.
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Oops😆Peyton with two Super Bowl appearances, one ring, top 2 offense for like 3 years straight, multiple playoff wins and multiple 11+ win seasons?
Not even close to 15-15 with TT? Seriously?
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The Bills were too busy looking in the trash can to come up with Kolb, Orton and Brohm etc to come up with someone serviceable. If you factor in the market and draft it is stunning how futile our results have been. How embarrassing can it get?
John, you're absolutely entitled to complain about the dunderheaded QB moves made (or not made) by the Bills in the past, such as passing on Wilson and Cousins in the middle of the drafted, but those moves have nothing to do with the current regime and in fact, most recently the Bills' FA acquisition of Tryrod Taylor ranks as the best FA quarterback acquisition of the past decade, and it's not even close. And the Bills have drafted two QB's in the past two drafts, both of whom might turn out to be very good. So cheer up!
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KC gave up a number of high picks, multiple second picks if I remember correctly, to acquire Smith who stabilized the position for them. In this past draft the Chiefs gave up a first round and other picks to acquire the qb that they wanted to invest in for the long haul.
So there is nothing ironic about my prior post. What is obvious is that over the past 8 years or so they have had a franchise qb taking the snaps. And still with a credible starter in Smith they aggressively went out and used a first round pick and additional picks to get a qb they believe will be a franchise qb. Compare that two the Bills who have not had a franchise qb since the departure of Kelly more than twenty years ago.
John, you're extolling the Chiefs' brilliance in devoting two second round picks to acquire Alex Smith, but the truth is that the Bills acquired a QB for free (Tyrod) who has performed just as well (if not better) than Smith has the past two years. Do you doubt that Tyrod also could have led the Chiefs to the playoffs the past two years? The Chiefs made the playoffs the past two years largely because they have a very good defense and because they hit a home run with the selection of Tyreke Hill last year in the fifth round (exactly the kind of high ceiling/low floor pick that McDermott apparently wants to avoid, BTW). The Chiefs' QB strategy is not necessarily any better than the Bills'. The Bills have used two mid-late round picks on QB in the last two drafts. Neither of those guys has been given a chance yet, but the odds that one of them turns out to be really good (I would argue) is every bit as high as the chance that Mahomes does.
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The conditional pick became a 2nd, so I was correct.KC traded a second rounder and a conditional pick for someone who has been an objectively above average QB (using PFR's rating-plus measure of 100 as average) every season he has played there and in his final two 49er seasons. In the games he has started over the past 6 years, his teams have gone 60-26-1.
How did Smith's PFR rating compare to Tyrod's?
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I think KC traded two second round picks for Smith--and he's been no better than Tyrod Taylor, who the Bills got for free.They basically drafted Alex Smith - they traded a second for him. They traded a first for Trent Green. Both were great moves. People need to be more expansive with regard to the idea of what a draft pick is.
Brandin Cooks is basically the Pats first round pick this season, and Kony Ealy is their second rounder.
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It's interesting (ironic, even) that you, who are incessantly bemoaning the Bills' failure to use draft picks on QBs, are holding up as a shining example the Kansas City Chiefs, a franchise that has gone more than 30 years (and counting) without winning a single game with a quarterback that it drafted.It's really rich that a fan of the Bills lecturing the Chiefs organization on how to run their operation and address the qb issue. The Bills are one of the least successful franchises over the past generation while the Chiefs are one of the most consistently good teams in the NFL. To put it mildly the Bills franchise is one of the most erratically run organizations in the sport compared to the Chiefs who are one of the most stable franchises in the NFL. Compare the torrential staffing changes the Bills have had over the past decade with coaches and front office staff to the Chiefs whose coaching and front office staff are and have been well anchored within the organization.
As you noted the Chiefs could have gone is a number of directions in this draft. They identified a qb that they believe after some understudying will be their franchise qb for a long time. Will he? Who knows. They evaluated a player and had a conviction on him and took a decisive action. Compare that to the Bills organization that hasn't had a quality franchise qb for more than two consecutive decades? Yet you still have the temerity to criticize a team that is proactive in securing the qb position for not necessarily now but shortly down the road.
The issue under discussion will not be fairly judged until a few years down the road when it is determined whether Mahomes is a good qb or not. The argument that is too often used is that the qb a team aggressively pursued might not work out is nonsensical because highly selected players at all positions very often do not work out. It's a calculated gamble. If you go into the casino and don't consider the possibility that you might lose that day then you are an oblivious fool. It's the nature of beast.
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Still not sure about accuracy. As I said, the concern about accuracy is that he doesn't get yards after catch because of how he throws. I wonder if he evaluated that. In any case, it sounds like he's pretty thorough.
And the sack analysis is the kind of detail I was talking about. That's pretty good.
Thanks.
But YAC by itself is meaningless. As long as Tyrod's adjusted average yards per pass attempt is high (which it is), who cares if those yards came through the air or on yards after catch? And if he's inaccurate, as many here claim, that too should result in a lower adjusted yards per attempt. And yet the adjusted YPA is high...so I'm not sure what the big concern is about YAC. As suggested elsewhere in this thread, the low YAC could be attributed to many different factors.
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That's actually a great point. Was there. We all felt it. As did the players.
Well, if momentum was the deciding factor in that game, what happened to the momentum that the Oilers must have had after taking 35-3 lead on the first play of the second half? Shouldn't that momentum have carried them to an overwhelming victory? And what about when the Oilers tied the game at 38 and sent it to OT after the Bills had taken the lead? Didn't that mean that they seized the momentum back again? If so, why didn't that momentum carry the Oilers to victory in OT?
QB comparative data for Tyrod from Cian Fahey to discuss
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Tyrod is not a great QB, but he's also far from terrible. Fahey's stats are an attempt to provide context and insight beyond the usual numbers like completion percentage, TD/int. ratio, etc. They aren't necessarily the final word, but they undeniably provide a deeper, evidence-based perspective on QB performance.