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John, you are just making stuff up. You are stating things as cold, hard facts that you cannot possibly know to be true.You and many others continue to make the argument that he was an attractive qb option for a number of qb starved teams. The reality is that when he had the opportunity to pursue other options no team was interested in him at his former salary or even at a lower salary rate. The point is frequently made that he couldn't check out the market because he was contractually obligated to the Bills. That is a naive response because there was always a behind the curtain way through his agent to determine what other teams were interested in him and at what price range. No team showed an interest in him as a starter.
The stark reality is he took a salary cut with a shorter term because he had no other offers. If you believe that there is still potential for him, even with his glaring limitations, then so be it. What I am saying in a declarative manner is that when he had an opportunity to avail himself to the market there were no takers. What does that tell you?
The issue for me isn't whether TT can be a starter for the Bills because he is currently the designated starter. The issue for me is whether as a starter he is good enough. I am comfortable in saying no.
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True. But if they start 2-8...all bets are off.Can't see them throwing in the towel at mid-season. Giving a young guy a shot in the last couple of games is more of the norm if a team is no longer "in the hunt".
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I agree with this. I would want them to put one of the young qbs out there to see what we've got. But to state unequivocally, before a single game is played, that they can't make the playoffs or they can't win more than 6 games, and they should therefore tank, is asinine.If they are 2-6 after 8 games I will want them to stop pretending the season is recoverable.
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Not responsive to my post, but whatever. The idea that you have to bottom out out to succeed in the NFL is utter nonsense. The Pats, Steelers, Packers, Ravens, Seahawks,etc haven't succeeded that way. The Colts are the only team that has ever landed a franchise QB by tanking, and so far the results are underwhelming.haha, we are always "IN THE MIX"
that should be our slogan from the last 20 yrs. the Buffalo Bills...we aren't very good but at least we are IN THE MIX. being in the mix is why we haven't been able to rebuild correctly. the Colts hit rock bottom and got Peyton Manning and then did it again and got Andrew Luck. our GM and coach were there when the Panthers did it and ended up with Cam Newton. we have never hit bottom which is why we have nobody
Finally, picking in the top 3 guarantees you nothing, in any event. The last time the Bills did it, they failed to come away with a franchise-changing talent, even though there were plenty of those available.
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You're stating that as a fact? They were in the mix for the playoffs last year with a historically incompetent HC and had a street free agent at WR1 part of the year due to injuries. They add a healthy Lawson, Ragland, get a healthy Sammy back in his contract year, and add what look to be three nice pieces in the draft...but you state unequivocally that they are "not good enough to make the playoffs" (i.e., go 9-7 or 10-6)? Why do you even bother?they're not good enough to go to the playoffs
What? Have you even bothered to look at the schedule? The Bills will probably be 6 point favorites v the Jets at home to open the season. Carolina isn't in the Bills' conference, much less their division, and they stunk last year.starting the season 0-2 in both the division and the conference never bodes well for playoffs. seems like that scenario will play out yet again this year.
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I don't believe for a second that they "aren't trying to maximize wins in 2017". There is zero evidence of that, and if they aren't tying to maximize wins in 2017 (at least at this point) then everyone should be fired. They were in the mix for a playoff spot last year with the worst HC in the league. If McD is only average, it would result in another two wins right there. Tanking is not part of the plan, nor should it be. Now, if they start 1-7....How the f**k did you get that out of what I wrote? The Ryan's were a freaking train wreck. I have high hopes for McD & Co., but they're looking longterm, they aren't trying to maximize wins in 2017. I'm good with that, but I'm not going to pretend it's something it's not.
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This is no different from most teams: they lose guys every year and they try to fill in the holes via FA, the draft and with young players already on the roster. Nothing to see here.To be truthful they filled them with guys that have potential to fill the roles but have not yet shown they can
Cycling in draft picks for proven vets can be great, or a major flop
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So you think they'll miss the Ryan brothers?Other than the inclusion of the Bills as the 5th team, what other part of that article do you disagree with? The first part was spot on (including the Polian tanking stuff) and the first four teams on the list make a ton of sense. He probably picked the Bills as the fifth because the new regime kicked the can down the road this offseason. The Bills probably won't be top 5 bad, but they won't be above .500 good in 2017 either.
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Tanking is not part of the plan. There is no reason this team can't compete for a playoff spot. The subtraction of the Ryan clowns alone is worth at least two wins. More importantly, McD is a new coach and he needs to immediately establish credibility and respect with the players. That's done by winning, not by tanking. He can't afford to go 2-14 or 3-13 and the vets on the team won't stand for it.
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Tyrod may have his limitations as a QB, but I've never heard a bad word about his character or work ethic. He appears to have earned great respect from his teammates in Buffalo and Baltimore. And he's a phenomenal athlete. This team could do much worse...
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Except that he's under contract. But I agree that it's unlikely the team went against Reid's wishes in trading up for Mahomes.Reid is NOT a short term "win now" coach. He is safe in KC for the long term. I just cannot believe a Reid team would trade up that big for a QB unless it was HIS guy. Everything about Andy Reid tells me he is the kind of guy who would walk out should that happen. He would coast into another job no problem.
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So the guy with 77 career starts has a better chance to improve than the guy with 29 starts? Makes no sense.But because of the contracts, it does even out quite a bit. RT has a slight chance of becoming a top 10 qb while I don't think TT has a shot at all. Obviously, JMO.
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Well, if he could play against Rex every week, he'd rewrite the record book.Carr's maturation as a QB though has been fantastic to watch. Have they gotten him some help? Sure, but the accuracy on some of those passes is amazing. He also has gotten better each year with his reads, progressions, and who he gets the ball to. I wish we had a QB like that.
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And not turning the ball over to the other team. Check that box, too.The best ways to help out a defense are running the football and scoring points. The offense did both of those things very well.
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The track record for O-linemen selected in the top five (or 10) is not good. There are a few exceptions, but it's not a smart way to use a premium pick.apparently 2 of the top 5 best tackles available going into the 2014 draft for the price of a cup of coffee. Robinson was supposed to be a sure thing
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I don't disagree with this, and I haven't looked up anyone else you listed, but I do think it's important to remember that Tyrod contributes ~40 yards per game on the ground. In his 2 years here he is averaging 248.6 yards and 1.62 TDs per game, which is pretty close to your initial numbers. I guess my question is are you expecting those passing number in addition to his current running numbers? Or do you just want to see his rushing stats essentially converted to passing stats?
Excellent question. Here's another one: Would you still want those those additional 40 or so yards/game passing if it also meant that Tyrod would throw as many additional interceptions as those quarterbacks throw?
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Thanks. That makes sense.It's a scale so he falls between the two in certain areas. Mariota and Wentz being the different ends of the spectrum. I'm also guessing that height/weight wise, Allen is bang in the middle of the two.
Athleticism also goes beyond the stopwatch, it also impacts stylistic approach.
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Wait, not to change the subject, but did you just compare Wentz's athleticism to Marcus Mariota's? The only valid comparison with Mariota in that category is probably Tyrod Taylor.. Athletically, he's on the Mariota/Wentz scale. Some similar ball security issues to those guys as well.
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Tyrod over Eli Manning is ridiculous.
Well, it's like comparing Tyrod to Rivers. Manning's has certainly had a better career than Tyrod, but he's also been in the league a lot longer so it's not really a fair comparison. Manning's comparative stats over the past two years aren't significantly better than Tyrod's.
It's interesting that the Tyrod haters often say that Tyrod is what he is, and that he won't/can't improve. But Eli didn't become an above-average NFL QB until his sixth year as a starter.
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I think we have different definitions of the term "eye test".The eye test is still the best way of evaluating talent and it's not even close. No idea how you can say it's worthless.
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I agree that those numbers don't prove Cardale is accurate. My point is that he has yet to see any meaningful playing time in the pros, and to this point, there is no basis for calling him inaccurate. I'm not saying Cardale is going to be a superstar, but let's just see how he does when he's given a chance to play before we say he sucks.This alone does not prove someone is accurate or even inaccurate for that matter.
EJ had a 68% completion percentage in college. A number like that would indicate a highly accurate QB. Would you say that's a fair assessment of EJ?
The eye test plays a large role here.
The "eye test" is pretty worthless, BTW. People are too easily thrown off by biases and pre-conceived notions.
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61.7 completion percentage on 8.6 YPA.Which college stats are you referring to?
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John, what evidence do you have that Cardale is inaccurate? That proposition is not supported by his college stats.You can have all the tools in the world and be a physical specimen. But for a qb if you are inaccurate it is a fatal flaw that can't be overcome. The windows in the NFL are so tight and timing and rhythm throws are required at a much higher level compared to the pro game. In college you can throw to receivers but in the pros you have to make more throws to tight spots. I just don't see him taking that leap.
There is no doubt that he has a canon arm. But that isn't going to get you very far without good accuracy. Cardale is a good kid and he is a smart kid. The description of him not being smart is an unfair stereotype due mainly because of his imposing physical size and playful personality.
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I think you are making stuff up. I just did a google search for reports on Cardale's scout team performance. This is all I found, from December 12 last year:...read articles about it ......NO benefit to me or ANYONE to fabricate such claims...yet Google yields nothing other than an NFL scout calling him a "poor man's Jamarcus Russell".....BTW, LAST thing I would do is root against any kid trying to fulfill is lifelong NFL dream.........
"Hes what you want waiting on the runway, Bills offensive coordinator Anthony Lynn said, insinuating that having a player of his caliber as a developmental quarterback that youre waiting on is the ideal scenario.
He's working hard. I mean, hes a gunslinger, strong arm. We watch him in scout team, evaluate his reps in scout team hes putting the ball in the right places, hes accurate. I think his development is coming along fine."
Doesn't exactly support your narrative, does it?
Dumb Carucci column...assessing QB position
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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