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And yet, after that rookie year, you're ready to declare him a bust.In all fairness no one in football thought Cardale would be "ready" in his rookie year.
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As i thought, you are just making a naked pronouncement, backed up by nothing other than your "gut feeling". Complete waste of bandwidth. Just like the guy who has already decided that McDermott will fail as a head coach.He has nothing it takes to be a successful NFL QB. You can all remember this post. If he ever does anything in this league I'll eat crow. He has all the physical ability in the world. He showed what he can do during OSU's national championship run. Then he lost his job to JT freaking Barrett. Inaccurate QB's with big arms are never successful in the NFL.
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You mean his 35 minutes of preseason action (with the third string) or were you referring to his 15 minutes of PT at the end of the last regular season game, which the Bills were attempting to lose?I've seen enough of Cardale to tell me what I need to know. I don't need reports from anyone to know that he is awful.
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Published where? I must have missed that. Were these reports published by the same people who denigrated Cardale's intelligence or "football IQ"?.published reports claimed Cardale was struggling with running the "Practice Squad".
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Lower picks outperform higher picks all the time in the NFL. Cardale has better tools than both those guys, played against a higher level of competition, and won far more big games. I say we should wait and see what happens when they actually play.Well, no. Mahomes and Trubisky were top 10 picks. Cardale was taken in the bottom of the 4th. There's certainly a compelling reason to prefer the better prospects.
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Here's some tape for everyone... I wonder what people would think if Tyrod threw 4 picks on the final 5 possessions of the 4th quarter. One on the 2 yardline on 2nd and goal. And this pick six that legit cost them the game.
Rivers accounted for TWENTY more turnovers than Tyrod in 2016. If you don't think all those turnovers were a significant factor in SD's 5-11 record, you'd be wrong.
I don't think any single stat tells the whole story. You need a breadth of quantitative and then you need to overlay with what you seen on tape. I always think tape > everything to be honest when it comes to Quarterback play but that doesn't mean I ignore the data where it can be illuminating. the
I have a lot of respect for your opinion, but when it comes to QB play, I don't agree that the tape is more important than the numbers, which is not to say that the numbers should be considered out of context. IMO, Tyrod, who is an unconventional QB, will usually fare poorly when "eye-tested" against someone like Rivers, who looks and plays far more like a conventional, pocket QB.
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Cardale Jones over Mahomes or Trubisky is an interesting take. But also a terrible one.
Agreed that there is no real reason to rank Jones over Mahomes or Trubisky at this point, but on the other hand, none of them have logged any real NFL playing time, so there's not much reason to prefer them to Cardale either right now.
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I think Rivers got unlucky and had a "down" year, like most QB's not named Brady or Rodgers have every once in a while. He's one year removed from 4700 yards, 29 TD's and 13 INT's. I think it's likely he returns to that form for at least 1 to 2 years. And with those numbers, I find it hard to lay the blame of the last two seasons entirely on him, but him having a down year and the team unable to be successful with him on the roster both made him easier to attain.
Rivers is one of the better QB's in the NFL, can make all the throws, can run a two minute drill, and is consistently above average almost every week. I think it's clear why I'd take him over TT in 2017. Is there any doubt guys like Clay and Sammy would be utilized much more with Rivers under center? His skill set would take advantage of our three best players on offense, Shady, Watkins and Clay. And seeing as our defensive improvement this year will be limited, I think the only way for the Bills to be competitive in 2017 is to improve the offense even more. Rivers would do that.
When a guy is 36 years old, down years usually can't be attributed to bad luck. It could be Rivers was just unlucky last year, but it's more likely that he's in decline. As to 2015, his numbers were definitely better, but the team finished 4-12. I don't follow the Chargers and I doubt I watched a single one of their games in 2015, but I'm guessing a lot of his yards and TDs were in garbage time.
At any rate, I think Rivers is a pretty good QB, but he's certainly not one for whom I would trade much of value, at least at this point in his career. He hasn't won more than 9 games in a season since 2009, and even when he was winning a lot of games, he had a history of playing poorly in big games. In my mind, that's not a true franchise QB. Tyrod is far from perfect, but he does a lot of things well and, IMO, he's got upside, while Rivers is unquestionably in the twilight of his career. And Rivers is a statue.
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watching taylor play for 2 years is enough to see he isn't in Rivers league , even at 36
Oh, OK. The "eye test" ... You win.
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Woah!
You may be the only man on that particular hill.
So be it. I explained my position. Feel free to show me where I'm wrong. As you yourself said upthread, Rivers is 36 years old, coming off one of the worst years of his career, and has led his team to five or less wins the last two years. I think maybe you should explain why you would rather have Rivers.
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Well I haven't advocated them doing that. I simply said if we sign Maclin and had Rivers (pure hypothetical) then we would be a contender in a wide open AFC outside of that one team we all know about. You questioned that and said you'd rather have Taylor. Apologies if what you meant was you'd rather have Taylor than the trade... so would I at a price of 3 1sts.... but it read like you were saying all thing being equal you'd rather have Tyrod. That to me would be ridiculous.
I know you were not advocating trading no. 1 picks for Rivers. To answer your question, though, I would rather have Tyrod than Rivers for 2017. Rivers is 36 years old, is coming off a down year, and he carries a huge cap number. His team has not won more than 9 games in a season since 2009. He is no longer a franchise QB (if he ever was one in the first place). Based on his relative lack of starting experience, having better weapons at his disposal, and what I think will be a better system for him to operate in, I expect Tyrod to be much improved in 2017. It's also worth mentioning that Rivers is a statue.
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Rivers has certainly been a better QB than Taylor over his career, but that is not really relevant to whether a team should trade Taylor for him in 2017. Rivers is 36 years old and is coming off the worst season of his career, in which he threw 21 picks and led his team to a 5-11 record. The year before that, Rivers had better numbers, but the Chargers were 4-12. He is no longer a true franchise QB and there is no way I trade Taylor for him. The idea of trading TT and three number one picks for Rivers (as one person suggested) is quite possibly the most absurd idea ever floated on this board.Philip Rivers is a better Quarterback than Tyrod Taylor. I'm sorry it is not even arguable. Whether we should trade for him is a different question... and I think probably no we shouldn't and it is impossible anyway..... but he is a better Quarterback than Taylor. I'm sorry to argue otherwise is ridiculous.
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Then why has San Diego never won squat in his 13 years there? I would much prefer Tyrod.Leaving aside the fact that it is basically impossible.....
Would I as a fan? Sure. I do think with Rivers under centre we would be a playoff team this year and in a weak AFC (aside from New England) I'd give us a real shot at making the Championship game.
Rivers is maybe worth a second round pick at this point in his career. Those who think otherwise are probably the ones who said we should trade a first for Jay Cutler last year. I would not trade Tyrod straight up for Rivers.I'm not trying to be condescending so I apologize if it comes across as such. Do you really think it's a good idea to trade a solid starter and 3 1st's for a QB that turns 36 during the season? Do you really think that he will pack up his dozen kids and move across the country? I like Rivers more than most people but there is a 0.0% chance of this happening and if the Bills made that offer that would be CRUCIFIED by the media.
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Here's a distinct possibility: Tyrod is held in higher esteem in locker rooms around the NFL than he is by his crusading critics at TBD.Tyson Clabo was one I remember, though that was a good thing.
I love Buffalo and the Bills. But it seems hard to believe it would be a veteran "star" type player's 1st option especially without an elite type qb.
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Must be a giant coincidence that all of the best qbs are near the top of this list. https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-yards-after-catch-statistics/2016/
Other than the Falcons and Patriots being at the top in YAC/R, which can easily be explained the types of routes they throw and the fact that they have some great YAC receivers, I don't see much correlation. For example, I see Andrew Luck, Marcus Mariota, and Jameis Winston near the bottom, and Alex Smith and Ryan Tannehill near the top. Tannehill's presence near the top of the list of course is because he throws a ton of short routes to Jarvis Landry, the top YAC guy in the league, not because he's accurate. So no, this is not much evidence that YAC is a reflection of the QB's accuracy.
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I just don't understand your response. Whether he or his brother had a bombastic or meek personality traits they had no bearing in this incident in which happened to them. The brothers didn't instigate anything. My point in my prior post is regardless what one thinks of them as coaches or people that neither one of them acted inappropriately. For me it is just a small issue of fairness.
John, you are a good and frequent poster here, but how the hell do you know this? Were you there?
I'll admit that the brief film clip does not prove that the Ryans did instigate anything, but there is nothing on the clip that exonerates them from anything, either. From my somewhat biased view, just looking at the clip, the Ryan brothers look like drunken slobs who are easily put in their places by a couple of much smaller, younger guys who don't appear to be intoxicated or particularly belligerent. FWIW, I'm the same age as the Ryan brothers and I can tell you that my days of getting into scuffles in bars is at least twenty years in the past.
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There is zero evidence for this proposition. None.A QB that is accurate and anticipates are VITAL for YAC in NFL.
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oops. SrWho in the hell is Steve Smith Jr.?
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and went on to play very well for the Ravens.they paid him 3x
MAR 1 2004Signed a 6 year $26.1 million contract with Carolina (CAR)
MAY 8 2007Signed a 6 year $43.2 million contract with Carolina (CAR)
APR 10 2012Signed a 4 year $30 million contract extension with Carolina (CAR)
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/steve-smith-1250/
He was released in 2014 at age 35.
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Steve Smith, Jr.Has Carolina had the opportunity to pay a receiver and opted against it? .
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Byrd and Hall are working out for SF currently. Hopefully they keep their options open.
I think Beane will look for bargains at this point. The Bills have about $9M in cap space available. He knows that he can't afford to sign anyone major, but he also knows that it is very important that he give his HC enough fire power to at least show what he can do.
Even if the Bills don't win more than 8 games this year McD will be evaluated to determine if he is the long term solution.
I expect more help to be on the way.
Byrd would be an excellent pick up for the Bills, at this point. If he is signed and healthy, I would expect him to start or at least see significant playing time.
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IIRC, the Bills' offense had the fewest turnovers in the league last year (by far), which obviously helps a defense's PPG considerably.Right, and the O made the most of it ranking 10th in the league in PPG.
The problem is giving the opposition the ball deep in its own territory and watching them march the entire length of the football field.
Can you see how that works against us?
with all due respect
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It was Lou Saban, not Knox.
Oops. My bad...that was before I moved to Buffalo.
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LOL you're a big Sammy fan.
I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean, but if Sammy was considered less than elite by some scouts it could have been because (a) he lacks ideal size (see AJ Green, Julio Jones and Megatron, for example), (b) he is fast but lacks true top-end speed, and © there were questions about how he was used in the Clemson offense, the concern being that he caught an awful lot of passes behind the LOS. Again, everyone agreed he was a first round talent...
Cardale Jones is ranked 15th best backup QB in the NFL!!
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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