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a typical, non-responsive, content-free post, with some name calling thrown in for good measure. Your premise--that good teams don't use first round picks on CBs--was demolished, and you have no response, except to point to the fact that the Browns pay one of their (excellent) CBs a lot of money. Oh, and then you tell us that you just KNOW the Bills new coach is no good, before he has coached a single NFL game. Pathetic.Typical homer, sock-puppet, rhetoric...Joe Hayden Helped the Browns get to the playoffs about as much as Gilmore helped us... Cornerback is a need, yes... QB, TE, WR, LT, are ALL NECESSITIES... I had a modest amount of hope for McDonefor when he got the job... 85% of which evaporated when we took White @ 27... LOUSY trade-down... Wash, rinse, dry, -repeat.
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John, no offense, but what RETARD, is looking at the Bronco's and Ravens thinking they've had success because of the CORNERBACKS they've drafted? -PLEASE show me who that guy is so I can have him committed...
Where is our effing Demariyus Thomas?
Where is our effing Emmanuel Sanders?
Where is our effing Ryan Clady?
Where is our effing Von Miller?
Where is our effing Joe Flacco?
" " Dennis Pitta
" " Todd Heap
" " Anquan Boldin
We could be literally here all frickin' day....
The teams you describe draft the best available contributors, and THEN pursue the best in FA... They don't just draft some kid they "like" then scrape some guys together to fill holes... They're about WINNING GAMES!
Unless I'm wrong The Broncos have taken Just one first round CB in the last ten years -And before anyone asks -Yes, I know Emmanuel Sanders, and Dennis Pitta weren't a first round picks.... I threw those in as examples of how BADLY we've drafted in general.
What an offensive, know-nothing post. The notion that, in a passing league, cornerback is not a premium position is easily one of the more laughable arguments I've seen on this board. Five CBs have been taken in the first round in each of the last four drafts, including one by the Ravens (who you apparently worship) this year. As further evidence of the position's value, look at the contracts recently signed by, among others, Patrick Peterson, Joe Hayden, Josh Norman, Stephon Gilmore, etc...
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Exactly....so what?.....
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People were saying that Leroi said that the plan was to go after a QB next year, too. I haven't been here that long but Leroi has been dead on with almost all the information I've seen him share. From what I can gather, he works for the Bills.
None of us know what the plan is for sure. Plan's tend to be fluid anyway. Maybe Peterman or Cardale or Tyrod grab the starting job by the horns this season and never let go (however unlikely that is).
The Bills did put a lot of effort into scouting the available QBs, and they did still take a shot at a QB in this draft, they didn't just ignore the position. They obviously felt that none were worth the #10 pick (although I read here yesterday that they likely would have drafted Trubisky had he been there at 10, but refused to sell the farm for him). But at least they are aware that QB is a need and are putting in the time to evaluate the prospects. None of us control the Bills or what they do. All we can do is sit back and hope they get it right. Endlessly crusading for a QB that was already drafted by another team does no good (not referring to you specifically, just saying).
As I've also said before, the Chiefs were simply in a different position than the Bills were this year. Andy Reid and John Dorsey have spent the past 4 years building up that team and not drafting any QBs (except for one 5th round pick in 4 years...).
They were in a position where the last big need they had to put them over the top was at the QB position. Reid and Dorsey also have quite a lot of job security and can afford to take a gamble on a project QB at 10. They were also bringing that project QB into a much better position than what he would have been in with the Bills. They have a much stronger team to surround him with.
The Bills were not in that same position.
Excellent and highly rational post.
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Harrington was bad, but somehow he eeked out 10 years in the NFL. He was also lucky enough to get drafted high, before the current rookie salary scale. He's sittin' pretty right now.When I learned Joey could play piano is when I knew he would be a bust.
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Jeff already knows that McDermott will fail, before he's coached his first game; Jeff says he missed on a quarterback. Jeff also knows that Tyrod is no good and can never improve, and that Peterman and Cardale Jones suck. We might as well not even watch the Bills this year.Beane has coaching experience?
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He will bust and the bills will be laughing all the way to the bank with that 1st rounder they picked up.
Or Mahomes will be good and (1) Tyrod will continue to improve, (2) the Bills will grab an excellent QB in next years draft or (3) Cardale or Peterman will turn out to be a good NFL QB. If any of those three things happens, then Jeff and Billsareback will have been wrong, regardless how good Mahomes turns out to be.
Jeff...you really seem like a decent guy. Are you sure you want to hitch yourself to the billsareback wagon?
Too late...
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You forgot Cardale...1. Mahomes is NOT on Buffalo's roster.
2.Watson is NOT on Buffalo's roster.
3.Trubusky is NOT on Buffalo's roster.
4. Webb is NOT on Buffalo's roster.
5. TT, Yates, Peterman and Woodrum ARE on Buffalo's roster.
..find ONE in #5 that can process/read the field in time allotted and hit OPEN receivers, be it WR or TE......what the hell are the other choices?...numbers 1-4 are done deals unless you want to go azz backward to whine...Jesus......
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So Tre'davious White is a bust? I must have slept through the season.I'm talking about lame 1st round picks... This is a Tre'davious White thread.
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When did I say they were?He did serve in the Navy. He then became one of the all-time NBA greats. The 2 are not mutually exclusive.
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So are you saying he served?David Robinson was 24 in his rookie year
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Should we already be showing "real dissatisfaction" with McDermott and the 2017 Bills? Have they already been eliminated from playoff contention? How about we wait until they play one game before we pack it in?Sad day when people are too lazy and compliant to show real dissatisfaction any more.. Just a bunch of sheep looking for something they can "follow" and "re-tweet". -LAME.
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Correct. Not sure when it changed. Anyone remember whether David Robinson served before he went to the NBA?It used to be 4 years if I am not mistaken, I think Staubach server 4 years before coming into the league.
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So, because the Panthers defense wasn't very good last year (after many years of being good), McDermott will fail as a HC? Do you know how he and Beane are regarded around the league?If the Jets hired the defensive coordinator from the Panthers who had a worse defense than Rob and Rex Ryan last year and made him the GM and had him pick players in the draft then fire the scouts who setup the board I would mock them mercilessly. It does not look like a winning hand.
Look, I don't know if they will be any good, but I like a lot of what I have seen so far, and I'm willing to wait until the Bills have played AT LEAST ONE GAME before I scream from every rooftop that they suck.
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And you already know the Bills are not a playoff team, right? Just like you already know that McD and Beane don't know what they're doing. Life must be boring when you know in advance what's going to happen.According to Leroi, Sean McDermott thinks this is a playoff team. And I assume he also sold the Pegulas that he would take this team to the playoffs this year.
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I have to say, as much as I'd like to see this guy in a Bills uniform this fall, this leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. When he signed up for his free ride to the Air Force Academy (a great school, by the way), he knew he was signing up for a (minimum) two-year service commitment after graduation. Now he wants to be let out of that commitment because he's got better things to do with his time. What about the AFA grad who gets an awesome offer to go work for Goldman Sachs after graduation? Does they let him out of his commitment? What about a female AFA grad who wants to try out for the Olympics? Do they let her out? Doesn't seem right to me...
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Try reading the thread. People keep trying to discuss Baltimore's former backup QB and there are other threads for that.
Some people also keep trying to discuss the 49ers' former backup QB, and the QB Magician/Coach who traded two second round picks for him.
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I don't know why you keep relying on Andy Reid to bolster your argument. All you really need to say is that Billsareback agrees with you. It's self-evident that he's an unimpeachable authority on this subject.Andy Reid > Greg Cossell.
And Cossell was the one who all the anti-Mahomes people copied, even if they didn't know it. Dinosaur era scouting. No thanks.
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In 2013, the season before the QB Magician passed on Derek Carr, the Chiefs went 11-5, with Smith averaging a dreadful 6.5 YPA. But of course he could throw at will when the game was on the line. I can't remember if that was the year he threw zero TD passes to his WRs...Smith didn't win more than 7 games until his 7 year in the league...mostly as a starter.
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Why did a Quarterback Magician like Andy Reid pass on Derek Carr in 2014 when all he had was the ultimate check-down QB, Alex Smith?Not all NFL teams have good QB scouts. The worst teams like the Bills wouldn't recognize a good QB if they tapped them on the shoulder. The playoff teams and/or teams with QB gurus were salivating over Mahomes. Hopefully Beane and McDermott will hire a QB guru.
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Point missed...So you'd be ambivalent as to whether you'd want Taylor or Rodgers in that scenario.
And that is why your statistical analysis is simply lacking.
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But Kaepernick fails "the eye test", so he sucks.lol ok, Sparky. 4:1 TD:INT ratio on a crappy team. Has been a starter for a Super Bowl team. Apparently you don't realize how crappy the vast majority of NFL quarterbacks are.
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All the data suggests drafting a QB early in the first provides the best opportunity for finding a franchise QB.
Please share the data. In a league where Drew Brees, Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers have been the dominant QBs for a decade or more, this seems to be more disinformation.
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Alex Smith was traded for 2 high picks. He wasn't scraps.
A. Smith was "another team's backup". The difference is that KC surrendered two second round picks for said backup and the Bills were able to get Tyrod without giving up anything--and Tyrod's cap hit was (and still is) far less than Smith's. Sound's like Rex was a "QB Magician"!
RD 1, Pick 27: Tre'Davious White (CB) - LSU
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I don't believe the bolded is correct. Great cornerbacks are every bit as essential as offensive and defensive linemen. That is borne out by the salaries the best ones are paid and the fact that 20 CBs have been drafted in the first round in the past four drafts. I don't believe good teams can afford to operate the way you suggest--they are always looking for the best available player, although need certainly is part of the equation.
It's true that the Bills have had some lousy DB picks in the first round--Whitner is the one that stands out, and McKelvin wasn't a great pick either, especially when Ryan Clady was available with the next pick. (Go back and look at that 2008 first round--littered with busts, at pretty much every position.) But that was a decade, and at least two front offices, ago. I totally agree with you regarding using first round picks on RBs, but the CJ Spiller pick was eight years ago and the Bills haven't used a high pick on RB since then. So that's not "what the Bills do".
Were you in favor of franchising Gilmore, or extending him for more than the Pats offered him? If not, how can you really argue with the 3D White pick? How badly do you think the Bills' defense would be shredded this season with Seymore and Darby as their top two CBs? White was extremely productive at the highest level of CFB, a four-year starter and team captain at LSU, with a clean medical history. His bust factor is very low and it's likely he will step right in and play at a pretty high level. And he's a very good punt returner, which is also a need. I have to be honest, I probably would have preferred Njoku or Taco Charlton at that spot, but I've got no problem with what the Bills did, especially while acquiring the extra first next year.