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Except that he's under contract. But I agree that it's unlikely the team went against Reid's wishes in trading up for Mahomes.Reid is NOT a short term "win now" coach. He is safe in KC for the long term. I just cannot believe a Reid team would trade up that big for a QB unless it was HIS guy. Everything about Andy Reid tells me he is the kind of guy who would walk out should that happen. He would coast into another job no problem.
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So the guy with 77 career starts has a better chance to improve than the guy with 29 starts? Makes no sense.But because of the contracts, it does even out quite a bit. RT has a slight chance of becoming a top 10 qb while I don't think TT has a shot at all. Obviously, JMO.
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Well, if he could play against Rex every week, he'd rewrite the record book.Carr's maturation as a QB though has been fantastic to watch. Have they gotten him some help? Sure, but the accuracy on some of those passes is amazing. He also has gotten better each year with his reads, progressions, and who he gets the ball to. I wish we had a QB like that.
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And not turning the ball over to the other team. Check that box, too.The best ways to help out a defense are running the football and scoring points. The offense did both of those things very well.
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The track record for O-linemen selected in the top five (or 10) is not good. There are a few exceptions, but it's not a smart way to use a premium pick.apparently 2 of the top 5 best tackles available going into the 2014 draft for the price of a cup of coffee. Robinson was supposed to be a sure thing
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I don't disagree with this, and I haven't looked up anyone else you listed, but I do think it's important to remember that Tyrod contributes ~40 yards per game on the ground. In his 2 years here he is averaging 248.6 yards and 1.62 TDs per game, which is pretty close to your initial numbers. I guess my question is are you expecting those passing number in addition to his current running numbers? Or do you just want to see his rushing stats essentially converted to passing stats?
Excellent question. Here's another one: Would you still want those those additional 40 or so yards/game passing if it also meant that Tyrod would throw as many additional interceptions as those quarterbacks throw?
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Thanks. That makes sense.It's a scale so he falls between the two in certain areas. Mariota and Wentz being the different ends of the spectrum. I'm also guessing that height/weight wise, Allen is bang in the middle of the two.
Athleticism also goes beyond the stopwatch, it also impacts stylistic approach.
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Wait, not to change the subject, but did you just compare Wentz's athleticism to Marcus Mariota's? The only valid comparison with Mariota in that category is probably Tyrod Taylor.. Athletically, he's on the Mariota/Wentz scale. Some similar ball security issues to those guys as well.
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Tyrod over Eli Manning is ridiculous.
Well, it's like comparing Tyrod to Rivers. Manning's has certainly had a better career than Tyrod, but he's also been in the league a lot longer so it's not really a fair comparison. Manning's comparative stats over the past two years aren't significantly better than Tyrod's.
It's interesting that the Tyrod haters often say that Tyrod is what he is, and that he won't/can't improve. But Eli didn't become an above-average NFL QB until his sixth year as a starter.
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I think we have different definitions of the term "eye test".The eye test is still the best way of evaluating talent and it's not even close. No idea how you can say it's worthless.
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I agree that those numbers don't prove Cardale is accurate. My point is that he has yet to see any meaningful playing time in the pros, and to this point, there is no basis for calling him inaccurate. I'm not saying Cardale is going to be a superstar, but let's just see how he does when he's given a chance to play before we say he sucks.This alone does not prove someone is accurate or even inaccurate for that matter.
EJ had a 68% completion percentage in college. A number like that would indicate a highly accurate QB. Would you say that's a fair assessment of EJ?
The eye test plays a large role here.
The "eye test" is pretty worthless, BTW. People are too easily thrown off by biases and pre-conceived notions.
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61.7 completion percentage on 8.6 YPA.Which college stats are you referring to?
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John, what evidence do you have that Cardale is inaccurate? That proposition is not supported by his college stats.You can have all the tools in the world and be a physical specimen. But for a qb if you are inaccurate it is a fatal flaw that can't be overcome. The windows in the NFL are so tight and timing and rhythm throws are required at a much higher level compared to the pro game. In college you can throw to receivers but in the pros you have to make more throws to tight spots. I just don't see him taking that leap.
There is no doubt that he has a canon arm. But that isn't going to get you very far without good accuracy. Cardale is a good kid and he is a smart kid. The description of him not being smart is an unfair stereotype due mainly because of his imposing physical size and playful personality.
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I think you are making stuff up. I just did a google search for reports on Cardale's scout team performance. This is all I found, from December 12 last year:...read articles about it ......NO benefit to me or ANYONE to fabricate such claims...yet Google yields nothing other than an NFL scout calling him a "poor man's Jamarcus Russell".....BTW, LAST thing I would do is root against any kid trying to fulfill is lifelong NFL dream.........
"Hes what you want waiting on the runway, Bills offensive coordinator Anthony Lynn said, insinuating that having a player of his caliber as a developmental quarterback that youre waiting on is the ideal scenario.
He's working hard. I mean, hes a gunslinger, strong arm. We watch him in scout team, evaluate his reps in scout team hes putting the ball in the right places, hes accurate. I think his development is coming along fine."
Doesn't exactly support your narrative, does it?
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What is the basis for saying that Cardale is an "inaccurate QB"? His career completion percentage in college was 61.7 and his YPA was 8.6. Why hate on a guy on your own team, with enormous potential, who hasn't even had a chance to play yet? I don't understand it.Inaccurate QB's don't succeed in the NFL. The big arm doesn't matter. That isn't a "gut feeling" it's what I see. Accuracy can't be taught. I don't know how that's a "waste of bandwidth".
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And yet, after that rookie year, you're ready to declare him a bust.In all fairness no one in football thought Cardale would be "ready" in his rookie year.
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As i thought, you are just making a naked pronouncement, backed up by nothing other than your "gut feeling". Complete waste of bandwidth. Just like the guy who has already decided that McDermott will fail as a head coach.He has nothing it takes to be a successful NFL QB. You can all remember this post. If he ever does anything in this league I'll eat crow. He has all the physical ability in the world. He showed what he can do during OSU's national championship run. Then he lost his job to JT freaking Barrett. Inaccurate QB's with big arms are never successful in the NFL.
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You mean his 35 minutes of preseason action (with the third string) or were you referring to his 15 minutes of PT at the end of the last regular season game, which the Bills were attempting to lose?I've seen enough of Cardale to tell me what I need to know. I don't need reports from anyone to know that he is awful.
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Published where? I must have missed that. Were these reports published by the same people who denigrated Cardale's intelligence or "football IQ"?.published reports claimed Cardale was struggling with running the "Practice Squad".
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Lower picks outperform higher picks all the time in the NFL. Cardale has better tools than both those guys, played against a higher level of competition, and won far more big games. I say we should wait and see what happens when they actually play.Well, no. Mahomes and Trubisky were top 10 picks. Cardale was taken in the bottom of the 4th. There's certainly a compelling reason to prefer the better prospects.
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Here's some tape for everyone... I wonder what people would think if Tyrod threw 4 picks on the final 5 possessions of the 4th quarter. One on the 2 yardline on 2nd and goal. And this pick six that legit cost them the game.
Rivers accounted for TWENTY more turnovers than Tyrod in 2016. If you don't think all those turnovers were a significant factor in SD's 5-11 record, you'd be wrong.
I don't think any single stat tells the whole story. You need a breadth of quantitative and then you need to overlay with what you seen on tape. I always think tape > everything to be honest when it comes to Quarterback play but that doesn't mean I ignore the data where it can be illuminating. the
I have a lot of respect for your opinion, but when it comes to QB play, I don't agree that the tape is more important than the numbers, which is not to say that the numbers should be considered out of context. IMO, Tyrod, who is an unconventional QB, will usually fare poorly when "eye-tested" against someone like Rivers, who looks and plays far more like a conventional, pocket QB.
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Cardale Jones over Mahomes or Trubisky is an interesting take. But also a terrible one.
Agreed that there is no real reason to rank Jones over Mahomes or Trubisky at this point, but on the other hand, none of them have logged any real NFL playing time, so there's not much reason to prefer them to Cardale either right now.
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I think Rivers got unlucky and had a "down" year, like most QB's not named Brady or Rodgers have every once in a while. He's one year removed from 4700 yards, 29 TD's and 13 INT's. I think it's likely he returns to that form for at least 1 to 2 years. And with those numbers, I find it hard to lay the blame of the last two seasons entirely on him, but him having a down year and the team unable to be successful with him on the roster both made him easier to attain.
Rivers is one of the better QB's in the NFL, can make all the throws, can run a two minute drill, and is consistently above average almost every week. I think it's clear why I'd take him over TT in 2017. Is there any doubt guys like Clay and Sammy would be utilized much more with Rivers under center? His skill set would take advantage of our three best players on offense, Shady, Watkins and Clay. And seeing as our defensive improvement this year will be limited, I think the only way for the Bills to be competitive in 2017 is to improve the offense even more. Rivers would do that.
When a guy is 36 years old, down years usually can't be attributed to bad luck. It could be Rivers was just unlucky last year, but it's more likely that he's in decline. As to 2015, his numbers were definitely better, but the team finished 4-12. I don't follow the Chargers and I doubt I watched a single one of their games in 2015, but I'm guessing a lot of his yards and TDs were in garbage time.
At any rate, I think Rivers is a pretty good QB, but he's certainly not one for whom I would trade much of value, at least at this point in his career. He hasn't won more than 9 games in a season since 2009, and even when he was winning a lot of games, he had a history of playing poorly in big games. In my mind, that's not a true franchise QB. Tyrod is far from perfect, but he does a lot of things well and, IMO, he's got upside, while Rivers is unquestionably in the twilight of his career. And Rivers is a statue.
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watching taylor play for 2 years is enough to see he isn't in Rivers league , even at 36
Oh, OK. The "eye test" ... You win.
Cool little Tyrod story
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Tyrod may have his limitations as a QB, but I've never heard a bad word about his character or work ethic. He appears to have earned great respect from his teammates in Buffalo and Baltimore. And he's a phenomenal athlete. This team could do much worse...