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How do you think that team would have felt about playing the Dolphins in Toronto in December?
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The single best rookie we have had since then, is the one we did not draft, then let go in his prime, Jason Peters. Nice work, Mr. Guy.
Please get this through your head: Jason Peters was worth a late first round pick, with a fourth thrown in. No more, no less. The Bills did not "let him go". They let Nate Clements and Antoine Winfield go. It's just as likely as not that Peters will turn out to be another Peerless Price, another guy looking for a huge paycheck for whom the Bills extracted a first round pick and who turned out to be a big disappointment with his new team.
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per rotoworld:
The Bills are trying to trade up ahead of the Bengals at No. 6 to select Alabama OT Andre Smith, according to Scout.com.
The Bills are desperate for a bookend tackle after the Jason Peters trade, and the extra first-round pick will allow them to be aggressive in pursuit of their target. Smith's value appears to have fully rebounded despite a trainwreck offseason.
Not even the Bills could be that stupid. Only Danny Snyder could.
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WGR did the 2004 Recap today. If it wasn't for Lee Evans, '04 would have been equally bad...
Round Pick Overall Pos. Player College
1 13 13 WR Lee Evans Wisconsin
1 22 22* QB J.P. Losman Tulane
3 11 74 DT Tim Anderson Ohio St.
4 13 109 TE Tim Euhus Oregon State
7 6 207* OT Dylan McFarland Montana
7 13 214 WR Jonathan Smith Georgia Tech
I would argue that 2004 was at least as bad as 2000, because we used up our No. 1 for 2005, as well. Gotta love trading up.
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/11600062
Trade ups that worked:
Cutler
Ngata
Bills trade ups that didn't work out - are there any that ever worked out for the Bills?
Losman - hated that pick because he sucked so bad in the senior bowl.
McCargo - hated that pick because I never heard of the guy.
Bills trade downs that worked out.
Passed on Kenyana Walker and drafted Nate Clements and Travis Henry.
I hate the trade up.
I did not realize that Ngata was obtained by trading up. Not surprising, though, since nearly everything the Ravens do in the draft seems to work out well. Interesting article, but I think the draft point system that everyone cites is a bunch of garbage. Not only is in completely unscientific (while purporting to be exact), it does not take into consideration (1) the much higher guaranteed salaries for top 10 picks, and (2) the fact that every year is different--some years, when there a handful of great prospects, the top few picks are worth a huge premium, but most years there is not much difference in talent between guys taken in the top five and guys taken in the middle of the first round. In those years, I would argue, mid-first round picks are more valuable than top 10 picks because of the far lower salary cap impact. The Bills have been fortunate over the past few years to draft just outside the top 10, where you can get premium quality talent and a relative discount.
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With Posluszny it did
Points aside, I disagree. First, I'm not convinced that Poz is all that great. Second, it's entirely possible that Poz would have been available at number 43 for our original second round pick. And third, even if he wasn't available, there were other outstanding LBs available at number 43, such as David Harris, who was chosen by the Jets. In other words, we essentially gave away a third round pick because we fell in love with a player and hit the panic button. As I've said a number of times, trading up in the draft should be a firing offense. I challenge anyone to give me more than one example of where it has worked out well for the team trading up.
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I think if anything we move up at some point to get the player we want. Hopefully we can package something to move up from 28 to around 20 and grab pettigrew.
How many picks do we need? I'm not sure we want to bring in like 12 rookies.
Targeting a particular player and trading up has worked out really well for the Bills recently, hasn't it?
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I just don't think that we needed to get rid of Peters but instead pay him so we wouldn't have another disruption before our draft. He's a great player and he was on our team, to go and have to fill another self inflicted hole is getting tiresome. Philadelphia has got themselves one heck of a LT.
Then why was no team willing to offer more than the Eagles offered for him? Obviously a lot of folks around the league have doubts about this "two-time pro-bowler".
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The bottom line is that the Bills did not believe Peters was worth his asking price, and this was the best trade offer they got. The Bills undoubtedly factored in Peters's attitude and that he did not want to play in Buffalo anymore. Despite the noise in the national media that the Bills got robbed ("you don't give up a franchise left tackle for a late-first rounder"), that's apparently all anyone was willing to offer for Peters, so either they are wrong about Peters being a "franchise tackle" or the asking price for one is not all that high, especially when there are a lot of good tackles available in the draft who will cost a lot less than Peters. If this was highway robbery, where were all the other teams who were willing to offer more for Peters?
Slighly off topic, but why was Jay Cutler worth 2 first rounders, a third, and a decent starting QB, while Matt Cassel only fetched a 2nd rounder, minus Mike Vrabel? Did the Patriots get ripped off or did the Bears vastly overpay for Cutler? The Patriots have zero history of getting out-traded, so I'm guessing the Bears vastly overpaid.
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http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/30228218/
Fans get excited about first-round picks. General managers get excited about second-round picks.
The teams sitting in the catbird seat are the teams with multiple second rounders — the Patriots, who have three, and the Browns, Dolphins and Giants, who have two apiece.
Great article by Pompei but not so great that we do not have extra 2nd round picks. Maybe that '28th is really a 2nd round pick' (sounds like someone with fact issues) is a good thing.
Absolutely true. Why do you think the Pats traded Cassel for a second instead od holding out for a first, which they certainly could have done? The draft is a crapshoot and the ante for a second round pick is pretty low. That's one more reason that trading up in the draft should be a firing offense for any GM (see Losman, JP, and McCargo, J).
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Mike Williams was more than dominant at Texas. The idea that Texas players vs. Alabama players are somehow less ready for the NFL is kind of ridiculous. Here's some backup.
Here is the list of Alabama players in the NFL
Mark Anderson Chicago Bears
Wesley Britt New England Patriots
Fernando Bryant Pittsburgh Steelers
Anthony Bryant New York Giants
Matt Caddell St. Louis Rams
Simeon Castille Cincinnati Bengals
Tim Castille Arizona Cardinals
Jeremy Clark New York Giants
Brodie Croyle Kansas City Chiefs
Kenneth Darby St. Louis Rams
Wallace Gilberry Kansas City Chiefs
Cornelius Griffin Washington Redskins
Roman Harper New Orleans Saints
Jarret Johnson Baltimore Ravens
Anthony Madison Pittsburgh Steelers
Evan Mathis Cincinnati Bengals
Le'Ron McClain Baltimore Ravens
Kindal Moorehead Atlanta Falcons
Antwan Odom Cincinnati Bengals
Charlie Peprah Green Bay Packers
Ramzee Robinson Detroit Lions
DeMeco Ryans Houston Texans
Chris Samuels Washington Redskins
Justin Smiley Miami Dolphins
Kenny Smith New England Patriots
Deshea Townsend Pittsburgh Steelers
and Texas:
Cedric Benson Cincinnati Bengals
Justin Blalock Atlanta Falcons
Tarell Brown San Francisco 49ers
Jamaal Charles Kansas City Chiefs
Tim Crowder Denver Broncos
Leonard Davis Dallas Cowboys
Phil Dawson Cleveland Browns
Derrick Dockery Buffalo Bills
Jermichael Finley Green Bay Packers
Brandon Foster Indianapolis Colts
Cedric Griffin Minnesota Vikings
Michael Griffin Tennessee Titans
Ahmard Hall Tennessee Titans
Casey Hampton Pittsburgh Steelers
Tony Hills Pittsburgh Steelers
Michael Huff Oakland Raiders
Quentin Jammer San Diego Chargers
Derrick Johnson Kansas City Chiefs
Nate Jones St. Louis Rams
D.D. Lewis Seattle Seahawks
Cullen Loeffler Minnesota Vikings
Derek Lokey Kansas City Chiefs
Frank Okam Houston Texans
Cory Redding Detroit Lions
Brian Robison Minnesota Vikings
Shaun Rogers Cleveland Browns
Aaron Ross New York Giants
Bo Scaife Tennessee Titans
Jonathan Scott Buffalo Bills
Lyle Sendlein Arizona Cardinals
Chris Simms Tennessee Titans
Kasey Studdard Houston Texans
Limas Sweed Pittsburgh Steelers
David Thomas New England Patriots
Nathan Vasher Chicago Bears
Ricky Williams Miami Dolphins
Roy E. Williams Dallas Cowboys
Rodrique Wright Miami Dolphins
Vince Young Tennessee Titans
Selvin Young Denver Broncos
I don't think this list proves anything, except that there are an enormous number of Longhorns who were picked very high in the draft and turned out to be major disappointments in the NFL. Cedrick Benson, Vince Young, Roy Williams, Ricky Williams, Quentin Jammer, Michael Huff, and Leonard Davis are prominent examples on your list, which does not include the biggest bust of all--Mike Williams, who is now OOFB. The only Alabama player on the list who was drafted as high as these gentlemen is Samuels and he has hardly been a disappointment.
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So, I've seen a couple mentions of Brian Orakpo pulling a disappearing act at times.
This isn't necessarily wrong - but I don't think its a 100% accurate view of what is going on. Most of the time this season, Orakpo was double and (once in a while) triple teamed. He's not good enough to consistently beat the double-team, which is why it seemed like he disappeared. I'm not sure any of the DEs in this draft are good enough to be a strong force while double teamed like he was.
However, if you want to see what he can do against a decent tackle, check out the Oklahoma game tape. He flat out destroyed Loadholt in that game, who will likely become a decent tackle in the NFL.
Orakpo is not perfect, but he'd be a welcomed addition to the Bills D-line. He could definitely beat some tackles one-on-one with his quickness and moves, and he would cause matchup problems (having to block Schobel, Stroud, and Orakpo would present some problems).
Please, no more picks from DraftBust U. When will people learn.
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He is EXACTLY what the Bills need. Someone with the physical skills who can put pressure on the QB unlike the trio we currently have. He was in the Ohio State backfield all night and he is the difference maker this team needs to move to the next level. We can only hope the Bills daft players like him this year.
You are apparently forgetting something: He plays for DraftBust U.
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I see TONS of empty seats...what's up with that Miami?
Nothing about this should surprise you.
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Agreed. Yesterday's game is a perfect example, Favre just killed the Jets. He should be charged with murdering Mangini's career.
I don't know if Mangini will be the best available option, but he's light years better than Jauron.
Absolutely agree. But I think Ralph is going to let DJ twist in the wind a while and see who's available. If he doesn't think there is a better option, DJ will return--hard as that is for us to swallow. I just don't think Mangini is Ralph's type of hire.
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1) he's soft
2) he's stupid
3) he's soft and stupid
4) he has a huge new contract
5) he's soft, stupid and expensive
6) this team needs linemen
7) he played his college ball at the University of Texas
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Obviously Bledsoe.
I was thinking about "The Playmaker".
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Anyone on the Bills like this?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writ...akes/index.html
It is, indeed, an interesting article. And since Tucker played several seasons for the Bills, it's reasonable to think that he's talking about some our "heroes". I'm sure we could all guess who some of them were. It's good to know that none of our Bills will have to worry about being underpaid for any extra games this season.
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correct he will have DJ fire a few assistants like Turk, van pelt and....
what a mess
I don't think Dick will be back. Whatever you say about Ralph, you can't accuse him of being overly patient with incompetent coaches. Please recall that he canned Wade, Greggg, and Meathead as soon as it became clear that each of them was not the right guy for the job (unless you really believe that Wade and Meathead "quit"). I don't think you can say that he kept any of those guys around too long, unless you want to argue that they should have been sacked mid-season, or never hired at all. No, Ralph's problem is that he always seems to hire the wrong guy, not that he keeps the bums around too long (see Detroit Lions, Millen). I think we can look forward to a new coach next year (hooray).
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John Madden was asked this morning about the Jets/Bills game. He basically said, "Well, at least the Jets aren't as bad as the Bills. The Bills show up on the schedule at a perfect time for the Jets. The Jets will be able to get things rolling in the right direction for the stretch."
Pretty hard to argue with that.
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3 years--the usual
A coach should be given precisely as much (or as little) time as it takes to determine whether he has what it takes to build a winning program. Sometimes, it's obvious after one season that a guy is not going to get it done. (In Jauron's case, many of us strongly suspected that was the case one second after he was hired.) The Fish sacked Cam Cameron after one season. Bobby Petrino lasted less than one season in Atlanta. It should now be painfully obvious to any sentient being that Jauron is never going to take this team to the "next level". Therefore, every second he remains in Buffalo is time wasted.
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Good point, I could deal with that for a change. We just stay competitive but never make that leap. Sometimes I think the Bills need a 1 or 2 or 3 win season to completely implode and really start over. Of course I don't ever wish this on my team but this cycle of mediocrity never lets the Bills truly unravel and rebuild. It's always a band aid approach here instead of cleaning house. Now maybe that is not what is needed right now but at some point over the past 5 to 7 years I bet it would not have hurt or at least in my mind what the hell is the difference? AUGGHHHHH
While it's true that the Bills have rarely finished with less than 6 wins recently, they have cleaned house to some degree about every three years. I don't think there is any reason to believe that the upcoming house cleaning will be any more successful than the previous ones. The problem is that the same person is still wielding the broom.
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"If at the beginning of the year, I told you that the Bills would be . . . . "
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Here's my prediction of what will happen: the Bills will somehow eek out a win against the Dolphins to go 7-6. That will keep them showing up in any ESPN playoff scenarios as one of the teams "in the hunt". I wouldn't even be surprised if they win the next week and go 8-6. Everyone will get all excited, just like before the Cleveland game last year. What will happen next is what always happens: they'll lose the last two games of the year and they will finish 8-8. Sometime during the playoffs, it will be quietly announced that Dick Jauron has signed a contract extension, and management will cite Dick's improvement in the overall record. Improvement from 7-9 to 8-8 - yep that's what I predict.
It's a stretch to think that this team will win 2 of their last 4 games, all against teams fighting for their lives. But overall, hard to argue with this prediction.
Why Dockery became expendable.......
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Yep. Typical UT player.