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Cleveland is one example, the Raiders, Bucs and Redskins areother examples. Look at how bad those franchises sucked. The Raiders and Bucs have been terrible since they were in the Super Bowl. The Redskins have been a joke of an organization since Snyder bought them. I think they've had two playoff appearances since he bought the team and went through coaches either on a yearly or two year pace.
And what makes you think the Bills will fire Whaley & Ryan? Because Vic Carucci and Jim Kelly said so?
You are confusing cause and effect. Almost without exception, teams cycle through coaches because they make poor hiring decisions in the first place. Can you point to single instance in the last 7 years where a team fired a coach after two years or less and that coach went on to success elsewhere? Or how about this, which coaches do you think should have been given more time?
I never said the Bills will fire Whaley & Ryan. I said Ryan will be fired if there are not definite signs of improvement this year. I said nothing about Whaley. And my opinion has nothing to do with Carucci and Kelly. I just don't believe the Pegulas are foolish enough to give Rex more than two years to "turn around" a team that was on the verge of making the playoffs when he took it over, especially given Rex's less than scintillating track record.
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IMO, it'll be obvious whether or not they should sack the current regime. If they make progress on both sides of the ball, and it's palpable, then they should stay regardless of whether or not they have a playoff campaign (though I tend to believe that significant progress on both sides of the ball would yield a playoff berth).
If they don't progress on either side, then they're gone.
If it's somewhere in the middle, then the record will speak for itself; anything other than a winning season should probably see them gone.
100%. It makes no difference what the Pegulas say now; if this teams does not show definite signs of progress, there will be regime change. The only question is whether Whaley is part of the change, or just Rex.
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Yeah... frequently changing your coach is the road to success. Look how well it has worked for Cleveland.
Last column is win percentage.
How many of those coaches (other than the obvious one) would have succeeded if given more time? Again, the problem in cleveland is not lack of patience; it's bad hiring, combined with bad drafting and plenty of bad luck thrown in for good measure.
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Could you please go back and look at how most of those teams are doing?
Hardly a success
Sorry, I'm not inclined to go back and research it for your benefit. But maybe you can tell us which coaches that were fired after two years or less have gone on to stunning success elsewhere.
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And look at how those teams are still doing...terrible! Cleveland has a history with Haslam of constantly firing coaches quickly and how well has that worked for them?
Look at the Pegula's track record with the Sabres. They're not the type to make quick, irrational decisions. Also, the Pegula's don't see this as year #16 like the rest of us Bills fans, they see this as year #2. So while others in the media feel that if Rex and Doug don't make the playoffs this year that they're going to be fired, they're just trying to stir the pot in hopes that ownership will listen to them and act upon it. Sorry, but the Pegula's are patient people and even Kim Pegula and Russ Brandon confirmed it on the radio.
So Cleveland should have had more patience with Shurmer, Chudzinski and Pettine? Got it. The problem is that they made lousy hiring decisions to begin with, not that they did not give guys a chance to succeed. Of course their drafting history has been lousy, too . . . The fact that the Browns suck hardly means the Pegulas should give Rex more time if the team sucks this year.
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Two years is nowhere enough time.
What complete and utter nonsense. In the past four years alone, there have been plenty of head coaches sacked after two years on the job, or even less. Rex came into Buffalo on a major losing streak; he was hardly a blank slate, an up and coming coordinator with no track-record. If this team has a bad year, Rex is gone, pure and simple, although it's possible that he sticks around if the Bills miss the playoffs in non-embarrassing fashion. Nothing the Pegulas say now--before training camp even opens--changes that.
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I also think it's disingenuous to say there was "hardly any" support for Cassel. That's not how I recall it, at all. There was not overwhelming support for any of the three QB's. EJ was poralizing, Cassel was literally called "Meh" and Tyrod was unknown, but there were most certainly people who believed Meh was the best of the bad crop we perceived.
In a TSW poll taken after the third preseason game last year, Cassel tallied 3.61 percent of the vote for starting QB. I would call that "hardly any" support, wouldn't you?
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Right, but just so we're all clear:
The original posit was: Bills fans thought Cassel should be our quarterback. They were wrong. They should admit it.
The response was: Overwhelming support for Cassel did NOT exist and therefore your posit is false.
That response is the very definition of a strawman.
I think you should click on FireChan's link, above. And the response was not that "overwhelming support for Cassel did not exist", it was that there was hardly any support for Cassel. There's a difference.
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Strawmen like: because nobody in July supported Cassel, then nobody supported Cassel, ever?
Or are we--sans links--meant to trust Weo's research, that his assessment of the Cassel sentiment was true to reality? And distrust = strawmen?
Which strawmen did you mean, specifically?
I'm not sure what you're talking about. In this case, I was referring to the strawman that, at least through training camp last year, there was widespread support here for Cassel as the starter or possible starting QB for the Bills. Like WEO, I recall no such widespread support, other than perhaps a couple of Buffalo News writers who were unmoved by the fact that Cassel did not throw a single pass more than 8 yards past the line of scrimmage; in fact, I recall the overwhelming majority here falling into the "ABC" camp.
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#Cowboys DE Randy Gregory is headed to a treatment center in the wake of another drug suspension coming, source say (as ESPN reported).
There is real worry on #Cowboys DE Randy Gregory, who has shut out some people close to him. The hope is treatment helps this time around.
My understanding of Randy Gregory's coming suspension is its for 10 games, at least. There is concern on #Cowboys that he may not play again
Wow, so glad we were smart enough not to draft this guy. Whaley is awesome!
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Maybe because "at this very time" last year, there really wasn't much of a "Cassel Crowd" to speak of.
Looking back at the threads at that time, one titled "Do you trust Matt Cassell?" yielded universally negative responses.
It's amazing how many pro-OBD posts here rely upon straw men.
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What's wrong with Whaley? He keeps drafting these guys who won't be playing for us the entire year or have low character.
He's really done it now... wait, who? Ezekiel Elliot? Oh, never mind.
Congratulations! I knew someone would try to use story as a way to show what a great job OBD is doing.
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I go to Baltimore often. Great stadium, great fanbase, nice atmosphere. Great home record, great playoff record.
Aside from that they suck I guess. On To week 1. I'll be there, hope we can sneak out a win.
Yep. Anyone who thinks the Ravens will be pushovers this year, or that the opener in Baltimore will be an easy win for Buffalo, is deluded.
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Maybe not, I'm not sure. But for what it's worth, I was at the Olympic trials yesterday and Goodwin looked considerably thicker than all of the other long-jumpers, except for Adoree Jackson, the USC WR/DB. Do you know what the average NFL player's offseason regimen looks like?You think training to jump the farthest is the same as training so your body can withstand the rigors of NFL football?
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I would love to see a day-by-day comparison of Goodwin's offseason with that of any other Bill. I don't think many people would argue that he is hurting himself or the team by training for the long jump.Failure to attend any voluntary OTAs -- there's a scrap. Yes, they're voluntary, but how many physically capable players didn't attend?
Attendance at mandatory minicamp but refusal to participate because of Olympic training -- there's another scrap.
It will be nice to see Marquise dedicate himself to his job and find out what he can do.
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I absolutely dispute that statement. There is not a scrap of evidence to support it.Goodwin's outside activities have materially impacted his ability to give his best effort to his employer -- do you really dispute that?
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The trials might be a way to raise $$$ for UST&F.Agree. I don't think other countries do it this way, or at least not all of them.
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Goodwin has this little thing with the Bills called a "contract". It is pretty specific about what he is not permitted to do in the offseason. It's pretty simple: If training for the olympics is not prohibited (and there is no reason it would be) then he doesn't have to ask anyone's permission to do it. Goodwin is an adult; he can make his own decisions about his life without first asking Terry or Rex.And this is really what it all comes down to. I'm surprised nobody has made more out of the fact that Goodwin never even sought permission from the Bills to pursue his dream. He just went about training for the Olympics and when later asked said he "assumed" it was ok because of the public comments made by Rex about going for an Olympic medal.
The Bills never said anything because they (correctly) knew what sort of negative PR they would receive, but something rubs me very wrong that Goodwin didn't reach out to the Pegulas -- the people paying him -- directly and have a specific discussion about this whole endeavor. It's pretty clear he didn't based upon his own comments.
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I'm sorry, what does one have to do with the other? Your logic escapes me.so if you don't give a rats ass about JBoysts stories, why do you care about the loser that hasn't finished more than 8 games in a season and has amassed a grand total of 20 catches, 3 TDs and a handful of yards in 3 years?
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I think I speak for everyone on this board when I say that no one gives a rat's ass how many Olympic athletes you claim to have "known", and even you had known dozens, it would lend zero credibility to your argument. Next, you'll be regaling us with stories of your own athletic prowess...spare us, please.qualifying for the olympics isn't all that hard. i've known a dozen athletes to qualify for the olympics to get their ass beat.
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I have heard the same thing. And yet, you have relentlessly attacked Goodwin for wanting to go....And of course Goodwin did make the London Olympics, so he undeniably has "Olympic-level talent", despite your blathering to the contrary.he won't be getting zika because he's not in Brazil. but from the guys i've known who have gone to the olympics to compete it is more or less the wildest party you'll ever go to and so much sex with world class hot athletes you'll get sick. sydney was supposed to be one of the best summer olympic parties ever and whichever winter olympics was after was supposed to be great.
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[quote name="mrags" post="3977693" timestamp="1467608262
He's apparently not good enough to qualify for the Olympics either. So he pretty much stinks at 2 sports.
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Well, Mrags, actually, he was drafted in the third round by the Buffalo Bills and so far has played three years in the NFL, probably making more money in those three years than you have made in your whole life. And as a matter of fact, he was good enough to make the olympics in the long jump and represented the United States in London at the 2012 games. So maybe you can explain how you conclude that Goodwin "stinks at two sports". Most people would say he is among the best in the world at two sports.
When we last heard from you, you were complaining that there were 25 pages of posts in one of the other Goodwin threads, and here you are polluting yet another thread with your pathetic non-takes about this guy. What's the deal? Did you find Glass's contact information on your wife's cellphone?
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And he's out.
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Not looking great for Glass. 4th place with one jump to go. Fouled on second jump.
Don't expect Rex or Whaley to be fired in the offseason
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There are lots of fired coaches who go on the become highly successful coordinators in their next gigs. No one knows if Hue Jackson will succeed as HC in Cleveland.
You aren't really suggesting that Mularkey is an example of a coach who deserved more time, are you? That hire by the Titans was probably the worst in the last three years.