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Of course not. The genie is out of the bottle though, everyone has fallen in love with the game the way it is. If contacted was drastically limited do you think football would maintain its stranglehold on the entertainment industry? It's a fine line and they are doing a good job walking it so far.
Fair enough. I just don't believe changing the tackling rule to require the tackler to wrap up would drastically change the game of football. I understand that it's a debatable point, though.
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I wasn't trying to insult rugby or its fans, can we both agree that it would never become a main stream sport in the US after the exposure we have all had to the NFL? If football ever got so watered down due to safety precautions and legislation I think the viewing audience would turn to watching robots before it would a game like rugby. I used the term barbaric earlier because like it or not that's what captures our attention, look at the rise of MMA....
I agree that rugby isn't going to become a mainstream sport in the US as long as CFB and the NFL remain extremely popular. I don't think the reason rugby isn't as popular in the US has anything to do with how violent it is (or isn't); it's a cultural thing and also has a lot to do with the forward pass rules. Do you think football would be nearly as popular without the forward pass?
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Should we compare the rugby viewing numbers to that of the NFL's inside the U.S. market? I'm sure those numbers would be nearly impossible to find because rugby's market share is so minuscule.
All the rule changes have been about reducing head injuries and eliminated much of the "head hunting" that would routinely go on against defenseless receivers. I think most fans would say those changes are for the better of the game. When you start mandating tackling form and other such things it will not be as widely accepted.
You didn't limit your comment to "the US market". Rugby is wildly popular in many parts of the world.
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When rugby's popularity rises to that of the NFL then they should consider adopting some rules. The barbaric nature of the NFL is a major part of its appeal, are we all supposed to deny that now that CTE and other findings have been revealed? That's why we have seen such gradual changes to affect player safety, they are trying to do so without totally transforming the game and thus losing its appeal. No one wants to watch rugby, no one wants to watch flag football.
There is not a scrap of evidence that football would be less popular if rugby-like tackling rules were implemented. There have been numerous changes in the rules over the past few years to make football less "barbaric" and dangerous and yet its popularity continues to increase. And your comment that "no one wants to watch rugby" is just ignorant.
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So a league wide mandate that requires all players to wrap up while tackling, how would that be enforced? How are you going to feel about that rule when Gronk is dragging Darby, Gilmore, Roby, and Rob Ryan down the field because you couldn't blow through his legs you had to wrap him up?
You're acting like there is no precedent for this. The rule would be enforced the same way it's enforced in rugby: if you don't make an attempt to wrap up, it's penalty. It's good tackling technique anyway; there are very few situations where it's not feasible to at least attempt to wrap up, even when you are going low on the ball carrier. And I suppose you could also have an exception in the "tackle box", like there is now for head-to-head contact.
Roby leads with his shoulder, I have no idea what your looking at.
Robey had his head down and delivered the blow with the crown of his helmet; he was leading with his head. I have no idea what you're looking at.
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To legislate that hit out of football would require it to be played at a lower speed. Robey is flying in and takes as much if not worse of an impact on that play as Cam does.
Absolutely untrue. The solution is simple: require the defender to at least attempt to wrap his arms around the ball-carrier, as in rugby. This won't eliminate all concussions, but it will eliminate the most severe blows to the head. It is my understanding that the Seahawks have brought in a rugby coach to help the team with tackling technique and that they are now taught to always wrap up the ball carrier.
but you hit it on the head here -- he went for a shoulder to rib hit and cam (whether protecting, or trying to hit) made it shoulder to shoulder (and by proxy head to head). robey started into the hit before cam dropped the shoulder.
what is robey supposed to do there? hes 50+ lbs lighter and trying to lay enough of a hit to make impact and coming in at a tough angle against a very good runner. it didnt look like there was any intent to hit his head, and very limited recklessness.
Robey had his head down, led with the crown of the helmet, and he made no effort to wrap up the ball-carrier. That's what he did wrong.
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Cam lowered his head and shoulder in an attempt to truck Robey. What are you looking at? Robey is flying in and his angle is below Cam's shoulder until Cam dips. This was 5 yards down the field, the QB is now a runner....plays like this happen all the time. That is not a flag.
I disagree. Cam lowered his head to protect himself from the blow. Other than run out of bounds, what was Cam supposed to do? Stand up straight and let Robey blast his ribs? Robey launched himself (making no effort to wrap his arms around the ball carrier) and delivered a blow to the side of Newton's helmet with the crown of his helmet. Aside from being dangerous and illegal, it was a very poor form tackle by Robey.
yea, this has been an incredibly common hit in the league. i can get wanting to legislate it out but when the runner drops, it makes it hard on the defender. the uproar for ejection surprises me given how rare ejections are.
I agree that Robey's is a common hit in the league, but it shouldn't be. That being said, I think the Stewart hit merited an immediate ejection, but not this one. The problem could be solved by simply requiring the defender to at least attempt to wrap his arms around the ball-carrier.
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And since when has the NFL ever ejected someone for a hit during a play?
Good question. I can't recall it happening, but I'm pretty sure the refs have the authority to do so. It's another very good argument for the expansion of video replay. In the NBA (and I think in CFB, too) the refs can go to the video after a dirty play and mete out punishment based on what they see, since often the flagrant nature of the conduct can't be detected in real-time. No reason there should not be such video review in the NFL--just more proof that Goodell is an empty suit.
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Some of us are football fans as well as Bills fans, and some of us also care about things like player safety and blatant rule violations being ignored or minimized by game officials.It was a penalty. I don't know why so many are whining in this thread. Unless they're all Panthers fans on a Bills forum.
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That one was called--roughing the passer, but it was offset by intentional grounding call on Cam. Still not right, though.How is this not a penalty? One of our players was called for personal foul for hitting the QB at the waist this preseason
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Was that the hit by Stewart? Should have been an ejection. Also does not seem fair that it's wiped out by intentional grounding.Umm...
The Broncos were head hunting.
Yeah, Cam was really asking for it there😆
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How does the ref blow that spot? He was clearly half a yard short of the first. Unbelievable.
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Not so much a question mark, but we need to hope Watkins is 100% after his foot surgery and barely playing in the preseason. Also will be interested to see how Goodwin does in the no. 3 receiver role.
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Tyrod returns to Baltimore and picks up a win, outplays Flacco: Bills, 27-20.
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Anyone still think we should tank this year for Chad?
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Against Division 1-AA caliber football players.True but if anyone is NFL ready it's Wentz because he played in a pro system and made line calls and audibles
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So a loss on a neutral field doesn't count because...injuries. Got it. And yet the Bills' head-to-head victories over the Jets are endlessly cited as evidence that we were the better team, despite winning 2 less games. Talk about a double standard...Really?
We were so beat to **** in that game......how many starters out? And literally one horrible ref call away from winning it.
I cant even believe you brought that up as if the jags are a better team then the bills
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and lost to the Jags...Once again....that is a double standard view. We went 4-2 in our division last year.
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Hey, some people never achieve literacy even with their first language!Of coarse the longer you sit the easier I is. Not many QBS can make the transition from college to pros so easily as a Andrew luck who is just incredibly intelligent and has a Penton for the game.It's akin to learning a new language,could you learn a new language in an off season or would you be more fluent after a year or two?
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But I thought the past 10 years don't mean anything, right?Its NOT a reasonable pick.....that damn team picks BEFORE us in the draft every year
It is the double standard BS that drives most of us nuts
Plus, all Sully predicted was that the Jags would win the south, not that they will be better than the Bills, although that's certainly possible.
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Cupp got more targets in that game than Sammy gets in half a season. Here's a novel concept: When you have a great receiver, throw him the ball.
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Seems like a reasonable pick to me. They have an up and coming QB, a lot of new young talent on defense and a weak division. Why not?lol, did that hack, Sully really pick the Jags to win the South, lol.
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So Dak Prescott was drafted too high?I've starting that getting drafted high is the worse thing that can happen to a qb. Insane amount of pressure and expectations. Look at how everything just changed for Prescott. It's nuts the pressure we put on these guys.
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Not necessarily.
Bills receiver Marquise Goodwin says he will prove doubters
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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