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He has little or no trade value, so no,
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On 4/17/2018 at 12:18 PM, cle23 said:
ESPN Cleveland just floated a rumor of 12 and 22 to Indy for 6, then 6 and 2019 1st for Cleveland's 4th overall.
Too much to pay to get to 6. Would want back one of the seconds that Indy stole from the Jests.
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15 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:
make him he a QB
How exactly do you know this?
I don’t, but it should be, unless the Giants really want to draft a qb there, which is unlikely.
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6 minutes ago, SWATeam said:
I think the Bills end up picking at 2. I predict that they first trade with Denver to get to 5. Then the Giants feel comfortable dropping back to 5 and getting either Chubb or Barkley. Allen goes #1 to Browns and the Bills take Darnold at #2, IMO.
Probably not necessary to get to 5 first. Price to get to 2 is dropping. If NYG are not taking a QB, then they will be desperate to trade back and the Bills have the most to offer.
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6 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:
Things are certainly lining up nicely if Bills want to trade up to 5 or 6.
Or to 2. Along with the Denver news yesterday, this is creating a buyers’ market—and the Bills are the richest buyers out there.
6 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:12, 22, and 56 for 6 and 36. Get it done. Or 12, 22, and 56 for 5 and 40.
Probably too much. I’d want another later round pick back in both those cases.
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10 minutes ago, Wsam4031 said:
Im a big Rosen fan but have been warming up to Darnold. Just curious what schools do reliably produce great nfl qb's? Personally I cant think of any
Well, there are a few, but my point is USC is infamous for producing overhyped busts who stink as soon as they are removed from the Trojan bubble. It’s happened often enough that I doubt it’s a coincidence.
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16 minutes ago, kdiggz said:
interceptions and fumbles don't bother anybody? how about the wonky throwing motion and poor footwork in the pocket? not worth trading all of those extra picks over someone like Rosen. would be a very poor decision based on where we are picking in this draft. if we were picking #1 and we had our choice then fine you can talk yourself into him maybe but the extra picks make it not worth it value-wise. Rosen is the best QB in the draft and he will be available at 5
Relax, Darnold has a high football IQ. And he’s coming from a school that reliably produces great NFL QBs. Oh, wait...
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29 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:
I really hope its Allen because I don't want him still out there when the Bills pick.
I can’t wait to see the epic meltdown when the Bills draft Allen.
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2 minutes ago, aristocrat said:
The trade to 5. You can’t make the deal without knowing who’s there unless you know for certain the giants are skipping qb.
Agreed. That trade should not be made before draft day.
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This also creates competition with the Giants, who are certainly trying to sell 2. A good thing all around.
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4 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:
Browns and jets are taking a qb. Giants likely take barkley at 2. Browns won’t take 2 qbs. So we get the 3rd Qb in the draft. One of mayfield Rosen Darnold will be there. 5th is a great spot
Giants would be incredibly foolish to take Barkley at 2. They will trade down or take a QB there.
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In other words, Denver is NOT taking a QB at 5, as many here feared they would.
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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:
No he couldn't. You can only deal three years ahead.
Most were also not drafted under this CBA. We are in a new world order now in so far as picking QBs. The last 6 selected in the first round of the NFL Draft have been selected by teams that traded up to get them. Doesn't guarantee anything.... Paxton Lynch was one of those.... but I think there were 5 first round trades last year and I expect about the same again. Moving about the board is going to happen more not less as we move forwards.
A couple things are going on here. The CBA is making it financially more attractive to pick a QB in round 1, and of course teams now fully understand that the relative value of a successful QB dwarfs the value of every other position. So teams that are drafting high, but who are set at QB (like Indy), are crazy not to trade out of the pick in a draft like this one because value of the pick to a team like the Jets is just too high for them (Indy) to waste it on a position player, no matter how good that player might be. This won't happen in years where there are fewer top QB prospects, but in a year like this one, QBs will probably be the first three or four players off the board, even though guys like Barkley, Nelson and Fitzpatrick carry higher grades. So yes, I expect to see more teams trading up for QBs, now and in the future.
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On 4/16/2018 at 10:22 AM, YoloinOhio said:
Yeah I think I’ll wait until he plays a full game before determining his nfl potential
No, we need to start tanking NOW or we’ll miss the boat! #draftcapital
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16 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
Good listen with Brooks talking NFL draft.
Has Rosen as the best QB in the draft in the long term.
Brooks’s explanation for why the Giants will turn down a boatload of picks to stay at 2 and take Chubb is not very convincing. If they do that, gettleman is just not very smart.
8 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:The shame of all of this is more and more folks keep mocking Allen to buffalo, and not just mocking allen to Buffalo, but they have us trading up for him.
This organization will lose every ounce of my trust if they take Allen over Rosen.
So you wouldn’t even be willing to give Allen a chance to suit up before you write him off, along with the entire Bills organization? Even though many have Allen going number 1 overall? Seems like an absurdly pig-headed stance....
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If they traded into the top 5 and took a RB, the entire front office should be fired on the spot. It’s not going to happen, though. Zero chance.
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7 hours ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said:
I think Bills will trade up from 12 and trade up from 22....
i think Vander Esch is in the cross hairs
He will be available in rd 2. No need to panic.
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5 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:
Or perhaps because there are so few amazing MLBs?
Then go ahead and tell me how much the “amazing” MLBs make compared to the top WRs and edge rushers. Also, I noticed that amazing (and non-amazing) MLBs tend to have short, injury-plagued careers these days.
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1 hour ago, ndirish1978 said:
MLB. They have the most opportunities to change the game on D. They can blitz and sack the QB, they can disrupt passes across the middle, they can completely shut down a running game.
Must be why inside LB is the lowest paid position on defense...
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10 minutes ago, K-9 said:
Pass rushing DE, hands down. The second most important thing in football after you've acquired your franchise QB is to be able to get to the opponent's QB, especially if he's a franchise player as well.
This would be my second choice, after WR. I see a few problems with choosing the DE. First, I believe it's less difficult (although not easy) to scheme around a dominant DE and, conversely, I think, from a defensive perspective, there are a lot of things a good coordinator can do to generate a consistent pass rush without a totally dominant edge rusher. On the other hand, week after week, game after game, a truly great WR (Jerry Rice, Antonio Brown, Julio Jones, even AJ Green) opens things up for the entire offense, not just the passing game and I don't think there's really any substitute for that. I doubt a single edge rusher can have that sort of impact on a game, week in and week out. Finally, it's a lesser consideration, but I would also guess that the career of a dominant edge rusher is going to be shorter than that of an all-time great WR.
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1 hour ago, ChevyVanMiller said:
I'm sure this will get flamed, but I'm casting a vote for Kicker (seriously). Here's a stat from Marasoft.com:
In the last twenty years 46.12% of all the NFL regular season games were decided by 7 or less points and 23.59% of the football games were decided by 3 or less.If you knew that you were getting the GOAT kicker, one that would hit almost everything up to 60+ yards out and one who would always kick it out of the end zone and pin your opponents deep, it would easily translate to 3 more wins per season on average.
Can any other position besides QB make that claim?
This is not a crazy idea, at all. The difference over the course of a season between an all-time great kicker and an average NFL kicker is probably 30-40 points (that's a wild guess). I doubt there are many positions (other than QB) where that could be said. I started noticing last year that almost all the playoff teams have a plus-level kicker and I don't think it's a coincidence. I would also add that great kickers can play in the league at a very high level for 15 years or more, something that can't really be said for any other position besides QB.
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19 hours ago, billspro said:
They are crazy if they think an RB is more valuable than picks. RBs probably get injured more than any other position and have short careers.
Not everyone even agrees that Barkley is the best RB in the draft. It would be malpractice on a huge scale for NYG to not either (1) take a QB at 2 or (2) trade out of the pick.
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On 4/5/2018 at 8:19 PM, Lfod said:
#1 and #2 spots you pick a QB or you trade down. You don't sit on that sweet QB spot to not go QB. Those are the money picks and if you can't get one of them you already lost a lot of ground. Jets going QB at #3.
So that leaves you with a possible #4 trade with the Browns with 3 QBs off the board. I wouldn't be very excited about taking the fourth QB off the board. Unless that QB that was left was one you had a target on. People say it's a QB heavy draft.
If he can't get to #1 or #2 then I'd rather him let the draft fall. A QB might drop in to a range it makes sense to move up a few spots. People say it's a QB heavy draft.
The mention of trading for pick #4 just smells of desperation if 3 QBs have already been stolen. The last choice on the top 4 QBs. Yuck. Imagine the Jets lighting us up with the guy they picked at #3 and we traded to #4 and busted.
If the Bills trade up in a place behind the Jets for QB you might find me being critical until it pays off. Yuck.
I like the #1 pick or #2 pick or just pick at #12.
The Browns aren’t trading out of the 4 spot. They don’t want or need more picks.
Would you use Shady as trade bait?
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If you could get a 2nd round pick for him, I’d trade him in an instant, but he is likely worth at best a 4th or 5th, and for that price I’d rather keep him.