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    Why is Josh Allen loved by Scouts?

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    1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:

    You're fooling yourself if think Tyrod going to be back in 2018. Now if we want to sign a guy like Keenum to a Tyrod make it break it type deal (connection to Dennison in Houston) to a two year deal and use one of our top picks on Allen and see if he develops behind Keenum. Yet to me I'd rather trade up and take Rosen. 

    At the time I posted that, it seemed more likely than it does today that Tyrod would be back. 

     

    Hopefully, a connection to Dennison won't matter next year, because he'll be gone. 

    Bills love Sam Darnold?

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted · Edited by mannc

    13 minutes ago, rodneykm said:

    I can't put my finger on why, but Darnold just looks like he's going to be a major flop at the NFL level. 

    Well, there’s his awful throwing motion, the long history of NFL failure by USC quarterbacks (despite the pro system they operate), the fact that he doesnt take care of the football...

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    MNF: Steelers at Bengals

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    31 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

    If Shazier gets up (and celebrates no doubt) after he inflicts that hit with his helmet, there's no penalty, no attention paid during or after the game to the hit. And of course it wasn't penalized on the field either.  It's hard to watch as you can see Shazier's head compressed into his body, followed by his legs going limp and his obviously panicked reaction with his hands.  That's why this kind of "tackle" is supposed to be illegal. The NFL still - after all the talk about concussions, CTE, settlement funds, etc., etc. - still does not take the issue seriously.  Will this turn the tide? I hope Shazier recovers, and I hope it does turn the tide.

    Would this be a bad time to point out that Shazier is a dirty player?  I have seen him lay out guys with vicious headshots multiple times.  Not saying he deserved what happened tonight, but...live by the sword....

    Gronk committed deliberate, intentional, and defenseless criminal assault with his metal elbow brace

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    1 minute ago, corta765 said:

     

    Probably because if you had any reading comprehension he said as much after the game that he was pissed wanted to hit him but didn't intended to hurt him. In Moore's case by Bertuzzi it was known before the game that they wanted to get him back and take him out. That's premeditated.

     

    And Gronks hit didn't do the same to White. If White had a broken neck and taken out on a stretcher yea I'd want criminal charges. That's not the case and context matters.

    And you believe him??  What he says after the fact is irrelevant anyway (unless he confessed to wanting to maim White).  As I pointed out before, Gronkowski's intent is inferred from his videotaped actions, not the lame excuse he offers up after the game.

    Gronk committed deliberate, intentional, and defenseless criminal assault with his metal elbow brace

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted

    1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said:

    No, it's not stupid at all. The correct analogy would be this: MMA fighter, after a round is clearly over, picks up a folding chair and strikes his opponent with it, WWE style. That is clearly outside the scope of the game/rules.  Criminal liability is a stretch, but of course that's fact dependent. If a full minute had passed and Gronk went after Tre with the metal elbow brace on the sidelines, it would be pretty clear cut. So it's in a gray area that would be very unlikely to result in prosecution, since the prosecutor would have to prove intent to inflict a late hit rather than confusion about when the play ended (and with a reasonable doubt standard). Civil liability is also a possibility. The only thing that stops that from happening is a Tre type victim is hesitant to sue an opponent since that would be frowned upon by everyone in the NFL world, including the league, ownership, teammates, and even the union. But there's no legal impediment to suing that I'm aware of. Again, it would be a question of proof. 

    Unlikely though it is, we also can't discount the possibility that a Patriot (or other visiting team) hating publicity seeking DA might someday go the criminal route. Again, I see nothing that would stop it. It's workplace violence, just in an unusual workplace ....

    I believe you are correct.  An act that occurs after the play is clearly over, with an obvious intent to injure is not subject to the "It's all part of the game" defense. 

    Gronk committed deliberate, intentional, and defenseless criminal assault with his metal elbow brace

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    4 minutes ago, corta765 said:

     

     

    I've said repeatedly Gronks play was stupid and dangerous. I do not believe it was done with intent to injure however, I do believe he wanted to hit him because he was pissed off he even said as much after.. That doesn't matter because the outcome took our guy out and he should be suspended 3-5 games. Burfict's hit on Brown could've killed or broke his neck and his track record says as much that he is a straight thug when he plays.

    How did you reach this conclusion?  We don't have to read peoples' minds; intent is inferred from their actions.  If I punch someone in the face, the law will correctly presume that I intended to injure him.

     

    You don't think Gronkowski's hit could have done the same to White? 

    Gronk committed deliberate, intentional, and defenseless criminal assault with his metal elbow brace

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    Just now, corta765 said:

     

    Makes no difference to me dirty is dirty whether during the play or after and stupidity happens regardless. If we are going to start saying people should be arrested for assault after plays the same can be applied during the game. It was an awful dirty play that occurred in the long list of ones done by players in the NFL and sports in general. If he receives a one game suspension or none then yea I'll be mad as hell. But otherwise if he gets a few games then it is what it is from there. I would expect the Bills to probably take some liberties comes the 24th though and if I was coach of the Bills I'd tell my players to do as much.

    It makes a huge difference.  It can mean the difference between a mere unnecessary roughness penalty and a criminal act.  You've been asked to name the five other actions that you believe were worse than one Gronk did and all you did was refer to a bunch of dirty hits that happened during the course of a football play.  None of them comes close.

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    Gronk committed deliberate, intentional, and defenseless criminal assault with his metal elbow brace

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted

    6 minutes ago, corta765 said:

     

    Just watch the Steelers Bengals WC game for starters from 2 years ago for starters. Burfict alone has a highlight real worth of hits.

     

    Kiko Alonso on Joe Flacco a few weeks ago for starters or as I said above the entire Bengals Steelers WC game was a straight joke by both teams.

    You don't get it, do you?  All of those Burfict hits and the one by Kiko occurred as part of a football play.  Gronkowski's assault occurred when White was lying on the ground, well after he was tagged by another Patriot.  

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