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I didn't see the game (a blessing apparently). Was Cardale that bad?Watching this game, I am flabbergasted that anyone thought Cardale was ready to be anything other than a 3rd QB this season
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Nice deflection.90% of the residents are white and the state nearly always votes Republican.
So who is behind this scheme to suppress voting? What would be the point?
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Maybe that's why earlier this month a federal judge issued a preliminary injunction, blocking enforcement of the North Dakota law. Among other things, he found zero evidence of voter fraud in the state. Doesn't anyone know how to use the Internet any more?<p>
This is wrong as well. Can't anyone use the internet??
Bring one of the following IDs with you to your voting location to vote:
- ND Drivers license
- ND non-drivers license ID
- Tribal ID
- Long-Term Care Certificate (only valid if you dont have a drivers license, non-drivers ID, or tribal ID)
- Passport or military ID (only valid for voters in the military or living outside the US who dont have a drivers license, non-drivers ID, or tribal ID)
So, to recap: tribal ID=OK. Military ID=OK. So ND is actually pretty easy to provide voter ID.
As for the passport question--it's meaningless. Who is left out on that list of acceptable IDs? The non military, non driving, non American Indian, non long term care international traveler? You're kidding, right?
There are probably fewer passport holders in that state than African Americans.
I think you spoke too soon.Yes, they can, and typically they keep using it over and over it until they ultimately find the answer that fits their way of thinking, no matter how ridiculous it might be.
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What? Are you suggesting that here in this country and at this time that the screening process of voter registration includes turning over illegal immigrants that attempt to register to vote and then prosecuting and deporting them?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:It has literally never happened and our own DOJ has threatened to sue states that pursue cleansing of illegal voter registration. Your government is literally protecting those that register improperly.
From the article below.
Yet no U.S. Attorney's Office (USAO) appears to have initiated any effort to prosecute aliens for voting. Nor has the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) initiated the deportation of aliens who have registered or voted illegally, which it can do independently of a prosecution by the USAO or state prosecutors.
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In Florida, state officials developed a preliminary list of about 180,000, later refined to 2,700 apparent registration discrepancies, which was sent to local electoral officials for further review and inquiry. It also was refused assistance from DHS. When the federal Department of Justice (DOJ) threatened suit, many counties declined to take action on the questioned names; but some counties pressed forward, resulting in identification of nearly 100 noncitizens according to media reports. DOJ's lawsuit was dismissed in a federal district court, prompting DHS to agree to provide access to SAVE records. Despite the dismissal, DOJ has issued subpoenas for the records of those counties that were not deterred by the legal action.
http://cis.org/non-citizen-voters-diluting-the-rights-and-privileges-of-citizenship
I'm not suggesting any such thing. I'm suggesting that it's a stretch to believe that thousands of illegal immigrants (or other illegal voters) are taking the risk of registering to vote. Even if the risk of being caught is miniscule, do you think most illegal immigrants know that or, even if they do, are willing to run that risk for essentially no benefit? Highly unlikely and the "data" you've provided certainly does not prove otherwise. I would also note that it's furnished by an organization whose mission appears to be to whip up anti-immigrant fear and loathing.
And I know this is heresy, but would it really be so bad if there are illegal immigrants in this country who are voting in our elections? They live here, have jobs here, pay rent and taxes here, many have families here. What would be the damage to the republic if they are allowed to vote (other than the fact that they would probably tend to vote for Democrats, of course)? And is preventing this horror important enough that we should enact laws that cause collateral damage to the voting rights of actual American citizens?
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I'm pretty sure when the surgery was announced they said he would miss the first 4-6 games, which is different from the entire first half of the season.Did you just learn this? He hasn't been expected back until the second half of the season for some time now.
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Pretty much. But he should be able to contribute quickly once he is back. He can still be in meetings and film sessions and on the sidelines during practice so he'll have the mental part down and his conditioning shouldn't be an issue, so he'll just be lacking live game reps.
If he's as talented as we all hope, it shouldn't take more than a game to knock that rust off.
For some reason, I thought he would at least be practicing much sooner than that.
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Isn't the voting period for the mail-in votes in Oregon a month?
In Maryland when you go to vote they don't ask for ID. The person at the receiving table will ask you what your date of birth is and may ask you where you live. Then you are directed to a voting machine. I have not heard of any cases of voting fraud. Why would an individual risk a criminal charge for their one vote?
What is lost in this discussion is not only the issue of IDs but also the limiting of early voting days and the closing of voting locations that make it difficult for people to get to their voting sites. The clear intention with the added hurdles to voting is to suppress the vote for specified groups rather than encourage it.
Ballots go out in the mail about 3-4 weeks before Election Day and can be returned (by mail or in person) any time up until Election Day. Voters have to foot the 55-cent bill for their own stamp, unless they want to hand-deliver. There was a lot of hand-wringing when vote-by-mail went into effect about 20 years ago, but pretty much everyone out here agrees that it's been a very good thing. One of the benefits is that there are paper ballots that make it relatively easy to audit the vote, if necessary. Also makes it impossible for anyone to hack the election, which is actually a very real concern in states that use electronic voting machines.
And yes, the idea that a foreign national or anyone else would risk a felony conviction or deportation in order to illegally vote in an election is ludicrous.
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Apparently, this means Shaq Lawson can't even start practicing with the team until week seven. So much for him making a meaningful contribution before the second half of the season, right?.
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Then 40% are wholly misinformed, based on the evidence.40% believevoter fraud to be a major issue based on polling.
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Who is their backup?
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And here's Rodney Harrison gumming up the whole issue for everyone:
http://www.tmz.com/2016/08/30/nfls-rodney-harrison-colin-kaepernick-is-not-black
Nice job, Rodney.
Here is something I think we can all agree on: Rodney, you are an ass.
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wrong...Military ID is acceptable...if you are in the military. Others your driver's license is all you need there. Don';t drive? You get a non driver ID at the same place. Simple.
Actually, a high percentage of ND's substantial native American population lives on reservations, which do not contain any DMV offices and are generally a long way away from such offices. Again, it doesn't make voting impossible; it just makes it more difficult for a group that coincidentally tends to vote Democratic. Making it more difficult means less of those folks will vote. Can you think of a single reason that a United States Passport should not be a sufficient form of voter ID?
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Actually, under North Dakota's ridiculous voting laws, even US passports and military IDs are considered insufficient forms of voter identification.There are such things as fake drivers' licenses, fake passports, so let's add fake voter ID cards to the list.
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I kind of laid out my theory on voter fraud in post # 1192. If the rest of the developed world is doing it and the majority of Americans think its a good idea, and we can provide transportation and free ID's, then we should all be in agreement with it.
And yet, in my state, all voting is by mail (with no ID requirement at all) and voter fraud has been all but non-existent. How do you explain that? From the Oregonian newspaper:
Statutes pertaining to Oregon election laws run for pages and pages. But, for the most part, voter fraud and related illegalities are exceedingly rare, according to Oregon Secretary of State Jeanne P. Atkins.
"I've been in this job since last March (2015)," she said. "And I've had only four or five of those come across my desk. I'd call it a relative rarity."
What scant voter malfeasance exists almost always involves one family member signing the ballot envelope of another — something that's strictly prohibited by law.
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I'm not buying into your perceived views of what people's intentions or motives are. The rest of the developed world and the majority of the country believes its good policy and that is what I'm focused on. It's clear to me that your main concern is purely about partisan politics, which tells me that you are unable to view policy for what it is.
It doesn't really matter what the legislature's intent is (although the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals recently found that in passing its voting restrictions, the gerrymandered republican legislature of North Carolina specifically intended to disenfranchise minority voters); if the restrictive voting rules are not reasonably calculated to address a real problem and they have a disproportionate effect on the voting rights of minority groups, then they are illegal. (That's a bit of a simplification, I admit.) It is also irrelevant what "the majority of the country believes is good policy". That's why we have a constitution.
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I'm asking you a question. Forget about what you believe the motives are, lets focus on the policy.
If there are services that provide transportation at no cost to obtain an ID, would you then still be opposed to having to provide ID like the rest of the world does and what 80% of country believes we should do?
Probably not but it would depend upon the details of the law in question, the history of voting rights in the state and the impact the law would have on minority voters. In my state, all voting is by mail and therefore no ID is required, and yet there has been no issue whatsoever with voter fraud.
"Voter fraud" is a pretense for making it more difficult for certain types of people (who tend to vote democratic and are more likely to be minorities) to vote. It is also worth mentioning that the laws passed by Republican legislatures to make it harder to vote are not limited to ID requirements. They also involve shutting down polling places early, curtailing early voting and other similar measures that have been shown to disproportionately affect would-be Democratic voters. This has been a major point of emphasis for Republicans for a long time and they have gotten very adept at passing facially neutral laws that nonetheless have the effect of suppressing the minority/Democratic vote. Many of those laws have been tossed by the courts, some have passed constitutional muster, and others are in the process of being challenged.
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I must have missed the Alabama link. I'm not sure what voting restrictions are in place in Wisconsin, Mississippi or South Carolina, but I'm pretty sure that, armed with zero evidence of voter fraud, the gerrymandered Republican legislatures in those states have passed laws that make it more difficult for new voters to register, and that those laws have the effect of disproportionately reducing the number of registered minority voters, who not surprisingly tend to vote democratic.
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Check out the 2nd link I edited in, and sort the census data by race. There is a DMV office in every single black majority county. Some are only open 1 day a month, but this is also the case in white majority counties.
I don't have time to cross-check that with the two links you've provided, but even if it's true, do you think it's reasonable for Alabama to pass a law requiring a DMV-issued identification in order to vote, when many counties in the state have DMV offices that are open only one day per month and many counties have no DMV offices at all? Do you see how that makes it more difficult (not impossible--more difficult) for people to vote? And if, as I believe to be the case, blacks in Alabama are far less likely than whites to have such identification, do you see how such laws have the effect (if not the expressed intent) of suppressing the black vote? And on top of that, throw in Alabama's despicable history of depriving its black citizens of their right to vote, their right to attend the state university, etc...
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Brooklyn, with 2.6 million people (50% are African American or Caribbean ), has only 2 DMV's.
Why do you think that is? Because NYS is run by racists, or not that many people need to use the DMV as more suburban areas do (Monroe county has a ton of DMVs)?
I'm not sure why Brooklyn only has only two DMV offices (assuming that's true), but at least they have some. Are you unable to see the difference between Kings County (Brooklyn), which has widespread, cheap and reliable public transportation, and counties in rural Alabama that have no DMV offices and virtually no public transportation?
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I am going to call BS on that. Just looked up a few and clear as day DMV offices in several primarily black counties.
http://dps.alabama.gov/home/DriverLicensePages/wfDLOffices.aspx
Sorry, but your link does not refute what I posted. I acknowledge that there are DMV offices in a couple of black majority counties. The issue is the other eight that don't have offices.
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There only 4.9 million people in the entire state. Maybe they cut the ones where no one was coming in for driver's licenses?
Like 8 of the 10 counties with the highest black population. But hey...Alabama has such a long and admirable history of supporting the voting rights of its black residents that I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt.
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Those stats hurt your own argument. 25% of the population of Alabama is black, and yet they closed 38% of the DMVs in black majority areas.
Oh, it's far worse than that. Of the 10 Alabama counties with highest black population, only two will have DMV offices. This in a state where 20 percent of the adult population (and an even higher percentage of the black population) lacks a drivers license or alternative DMV-issued ID.
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Kaep actions is like a child that whines that his room is dirty and sits down pouting in the middle because he doesn't want to clean it. Only after he gets all the attention from throwing a temper tantrum is he going to help clean it. Seems like a very self-absorbed move.
Maybe I'm just slow, but I think you're going to have to explain your analogy a little bit. It doesn't make any sense to me.
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What are the numbers for this vs fraud?
I don't understand your question, but I think we can assume that the "problem" of illegal immigrants voting in Alabama is a non-existent one. Alabama has such a sterling history of facilitating minority voting rights . . .
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BTW, I do not believe the notion that good QBs are harder to find these days. IMO, there have never been as many good/great QBs in the league as there are now.