Andy1

Good thread topic. Bad title.

Trump can’t out-tough China. China and Russia are used to collective suffering for national pride in a way Americans can’t do. In the end, whenever that is, I don’t expect any meaningful advantageous new trade deal with China. China knows the cards they hold. They can create a lot of economic pain if they want to. He will create some other crisis to divert attention while the tariffs whimper away and he declares fake victory. The media will spend one day talking about tariffs being over, then focus on new crisis. Now, where are all the amazing deals with all the other little s-hole countries?

Ok, I agree. Nazis are a bad comparison - too old school and maybe a bit over the top. Now when it comes to unidentified masked men in black snatching people off of the street, or deporting people to hell hole prisons in another country with no rights, that’s much more like the Russian FSB. That’s more of Donald’s style.

Just look at the title and first post of this thread.. LOL 😆

Fine. Hyperbole is what politics is all about. Once upon a time, Obamacare was about sending grandma to the government run death chambers.

I understand the rules. You are unable to comment or criticize actions of Dear Leader, so you can only talk about the messenger. Perhaps some day, you can tell us what you think about this case.

Trump is now defying a 9-0 ruling by the conservative majority Supreme Court. If the government wanted to bring the guy back, they could. This is what Putin does. Trump is now happy that he can finally act like a true ruthless, lawless dictator. I guess the Moral Majority crowd is down with this during Holy Week. Does the right believe in the rule of law? The court wrote : “The Government’s argument, moreover, implies that it could deport and incarcerate any person, including US citizens, without legal consequence, so long as it does so before a court can intervene.” This is Trumps position and today he mentioned his desire to send US citizens to El Salvador prisons, which is clearly ILLEGAL. One orange old man as judge, jury, and executioner, just trust him. Now picture a radical liberal president doing the same thing. The political pendulum swings back and forth so don’t discount the possibility. Read the 4 page decision here: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a949_lkhn.pdf

When Trump opens his mouth, Putin speaks.

We need manufacturing, but factory work is for those other people; not me or my kids. That’s partly why businesses left.

No worries. The clown crew has this under control.

Rational in the sense of being understandable or logical from a policy perspective, not that I agree with it. I would see the training funded with savings from DOGE.

No one can answer my question above because there is no rational reason for his tariffs and no consistent reason explained by the administration. I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer but a rational tariff policy would be to place 10% tariffs on China products and imported oil and use that revenue to pay tuition costs for education/training in high need job fields like nursing, doctors, medical specialists, electricians, welders, mechanics, plumbers, and subsidized child care. Those are areas of real need that would help Americans everywhere. Everyone could understand the reason. By the time we are in nursing homes, doctors will be replaced by us talking to a computer and they will have robots wiping our ass because there are no people in those jobs.

What is the goal of Trumps tariff policy? Be specific. You can’t determine if what he did was right unless you know the goal to achieve.

Fine. No one forces anyone go to college. Go get a trades job then. They make good money too and are in short supply. Welders, plumbers, electricians etc are all needed. Those jobs are better than the factory jobs or coal jobs Trump wants your kids to work at.

How arrogant does one have to be, to be the wealthiest nation in the history of the world and declare that global trade hasn’t been fair to America? Every other nation on the planet is like WTF? In other countries, children and young adults leave their families to go to work in factories making goods for America. They work in places with no OSHA or laws to protect them. They make this sacrifice to support their families living in poverty unlike anything in America. Do Americans think that other countries don’t also have problems adapting to changes caused by global trade? America has benefited the most from global trade. The entire economy of the world has been designed by and for the benefit of America. As our economy has developed and wages increased, corporations followed the rules of capitalism and moved to locations where labor and resources were cheaper to maximize their profits. Americans supprted that philosophy over and over again by choosing the cheaper foreign made products over the remaining Made in America alternative. America is still the #2 largest manufacturer in the world. Biden got the bipartisan CHIPS Act done which is a step in the right direction. Trump has repeatedly wanted to repeal that… for no logical reason. Now currently, the economic issue seems to be the struggles of young men without college degrees. A lot of them seem to think they deserve better. Women are succeeding more than ever before and are out competing men in many areas. If men are struggling, the answer is to buck up, get off the video games, and get training or education in a field that will pay well. If you have to move, then move. Make a career in the military. There are plenty of labor shortages in many sectors of our economy. Why does the only answer have to be a factory job artificially created by tariff taxes paid by Americans? Everyone is ignoring the service sector of the economy. We dominate the world in that department. There are huge labor shortages in this sector. The trade war has, and will, damage this sector of jobs. See: https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/11/business/service-sector-trade-war-jobs-threat/index.html

So basically these neo Nazi idiots are a bunch of insecure losers.

So now Trump has given tariff exemptions for tech and electronics from China. They have paid him off. I thought the tariffs were about bringing Apple factories back to America. The big bad wolf is looking like all bark and no bite after he realized his stupidity. He has painted himself into a corner and now must deliver great amazing trade deals to justify the self inflicted damage he has done to the economy. Other countries will be smart to be slow to give concessions, knowing he is under pressure to deliver something.

So now Trump admin is forcing employees to take lie detector tests which are proven unreliable so they are not admissible is courts. That’s some Nazi s#@t. Paranoia will destroy ya.

No as in never. A person with a functioning brain knows the umbrella needs to be folded first.

I think this is an excellent talking point for republicans to repeat. It’s all just digital ones and zeros on your bank statements!

This is stupidity in action.

What is owing money to China? Are you talking about the $750 billion in US Treasury securities they own or do you mean the products we purchase from China?

In addition to Steve’s comments above, most small rural towns (MAGA land) with low income jobs, have very few stores to shop at. There is often just a Dollar General - filled with products from China, a liquor store and gas station. These people can either shop local and buy products from China or shop the internet and still buy from China.