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Allen flat out sucked vs Houston. He was not great vs Baltimore either. The OC has to recognize what is and isn't working, and draw up plays that can work, also he has to get his QB right. Marino did his all 22 as well. 19 of 25 first downs were runs and the rate was higher when cook was in. First down is the easiest passing down. Mahomes is playing better than Allan, no question, but our brain trust is not giving their panicky QB any easy plays to get going nor are they winning any rock paper scissors games with formations and match ups. The OL is getting got because no one, not Allen not the OC and not the wrs or backs, are recognizing blitzes correctly. We've seen from mcds prior team melt downs that the coaches are in over their heads right now and they need a shake up. There is no way an OC with ability can't get Allen to better than 9/30. There are also 20 OCs who can be less predictable than 19/25 first down runs. Allen has to get out of his funk, our wrs have to play better, all of that, but the coaches can make lots of changes very easily to get ahead of the sticks. You battle w the army you brought, right now these coaches, offensively mainly, are out thinking themselves and are making it easy. They need to fix it now.

It is the whole front office tbh. Contracts and players not being used, no strong logic to how they are drafting and so on. The offense is so poor. Like, they have two, three of the rook is good, real rbs. They have two tes who can start in the NFL, they have poor wrs. But they don't have quick hitter plays to the backs and tes, runs and short passes are slow, etc. A chunk of that is on Josh being just slow to identify or simply always holding out for a bigger play, but the coaches can just practice and run plays to use the talent they have. Samuel is either not well enough to play, or being used in the worst way possible. The obvious first down runs, etc. If we are gonna do this crap to wrs in the passing game, how did we only draft one?

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ya, the data on brady shows he is a trash nfl OC. it is crazy how our front office just won't go get a vet top flight coordinator. they insist on retreads and failed early career guys. reid in kc has a super vet ultra DC. if mcd wants his d run his way and gets yes men (which he does) then ok i can understand that, but why with the no track record guys?

that is worth consideration for sure. to me the simple bit is you accept the 10 second run off after the grounding call (mcd didn't, which is criminal, because he was banking on driving up the pitch for a fg to win it in regulation when he had zero TOs, they had all 3, and josh was 9 fo 27 to our trash heap wrs all day). you run the ball to start, make them burn tos, see if you get some yards. i think you do something that you should have drawn up for an emergency end of game first down, like a roll out w a fast option for josh. a roll out run play also takes more time and means the d might make a mistake. generally, you expect to run 3 times, getting like 7 yards, and they burn all 3 to's w the 10 second run off, they have very little time left, maybe 12 seconds max. but the few yards you picked up means you are punting from a normal formation, not a compressed one in the back of the end zone. you blast the ball w an angle, and remember their punt return game was horrible as woods was back there and is not fast nor their normal guy for that, and they get the ball on what, their own 40 at the best? w an angled kick you also have a shot at them running the clock some too. so now you have time for 1, at absolute best 2 plays. no TOs and they need like 15+ yards to have a hope at a FG even with their paul bunyon legged kicker. well, they can only go sideline, can't really run or scramble, that's good for us. they make the play fast, more likely to fall incomplete. then time expires or they do a hero spike to set up the fg. that's the best chance, that's what every reasonable coach would do, that's what i thought they would do, but in stead they banked on hollis to help josh break his slump from his own 3. in short, they butchered taht and it's awful

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he did have some more underneath stuff, guys who would catch and get tackled right away, in front of him, and he coulda run for yards more. im not saying it is fair, nor is it right, but josh is the goat of all time, in a tight game he's gotta make some plays. aside from the deep ball touch not being great, the real thing he can and has to improve is his pre snap reads. teams will pressure and show pressure on 3rd and long against us ever play given how easy it is to beat us with it. he and the coaches (who i legit think suck, i think dabo, dorsey, and brady all run trash and have been bailed out by josh) have to figure some stuff out. frankly, our O should be featuring cook as a runner and pass catcher, that will take the safety down and slow down the blitz, and allow the gang who can't shoot straight at wr and kinkiad to run free and get easy passes. we just suck as a drop back team right now, and it is so so easy for teams to force us into that.

true, but 9/30 for what a buck fifty? those jp losman numbers. he's playing awful.

facts, altho i think there are a lot of guys better than dabo. josh really does stink w the deep ball. its so obvious how to beat the bills, take away the middle of the field, force throws outside to wrs who won't get open, and just dare the deep stuff. how has our OC not tried to figure out ways to get out of this rut?

the ball wasn't so great, but the wr was leaning back and pulling up trying to find it too much. josh isn't good at the deep ball, but these wrs are trash

i was really hoping brown would ball out and keep improving, but he is trash vs any quality pass rush, and so is the guy next to him. i don't know if it's butt kissing, or hard working, or being a coach's pet, or whatever, but the bills LOOOOOOOOOOOVE to pay up up up for unwise contracts. the diggs extension was insane, for a 30 yo wr who isn't big or fast, knox extension was laughable, brown extension i think is fine, but maybe not, von contract and then extensions were malpractice, what we are getting out of oliver, samuel, and some other guys isn't great either. DQ jones is getting way too much for an old DT as well. we dump way too many resources into guys who are a little better than replacement because of some scheme/character fetish, but then don't have the resources to actually go and get a difference maker when they are out there. also, extending knox and then drafting kinkaid, when we barely like to use TEs, what is going on here?

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we trade up to draft and sign TEs to huge extensions. we just refuse to feature then in our O or throw to them. similar to the hines stuff, we love having guys on the team at high expense who will not be used, so we can give burn to hollis and mvs and toohill.

im a marino fan. his podcast after the game was good -- he took the coaches to task and he was pretty credible. as a post mentioned above, i can't watch cover 1. i'll check out snippets of their film breakdowns, but my gosh they are allergic to being critical of the bills. one thing that is true this season -- josh allen is playing poorly overall, not good. had a couple highlight real games vs trash with zona and the jags, and was good vs miami, but was terrible vs baltimore and houston. he threw 4 passes that coulda/shoulda been picked in those two games too, he just got lucky with them. if josh is as good as i keep saying he is, he can find a way to elevate guys around him, show leadership, and get some victory. he did that vs zona, so i'm not saying he's shot or anything, but the houston game might be the worst passing offense by an offensive starter in 3 years.

i think he's hurt because he looks just slow out there. also, our o scheme is junior mints cheeks. the Ds know what we are doing based on our line up and our people, it's pure disadvantage football. and allen has turned into a pumpkin. the last two weeks were the worst he's played since his rookie year. the oc not taking that into account and trying to set up quicker hitting plays and stuff to the TEs and RBs is a sin and i will not forgive it.

TB was great last season, but we might be over rating our guys saying tb and MM are the best duo in the nfl. top 5-10 when healthy tho i think is totally fair. i think williams is coming along nicely, and i wonder if we could have a solid D with 3 LBs on the field when teams go with big lineups (would that have stopped the opening run by henry for a TD?). part of why we might be overrating out starters is because of how absolutely trash the back ups are. dodson was solid for us as a back up last season, specter is barely serviceable, and although he's a nickel corner, cam lewis plays basically linebacker on many occasions when he has to come off of coverage and blow up a screen or make a tackle, and he's awful. seeing a quality nfl starter lined up w those scrubs, and with wet behind the ears bishop (who i still have hope for) and literal PR roster spot Hamlin really shows you how low the floor on this team is when hurt. sheesh!

Josh is the goat imo, but he has flaws. To some extent (not sure how much) the flaws are a result made worse by horrible roster design and pitiful offensive coaching. I'll ignore the suger high desperation stuff where he blasts the ball too hot when he had a better read. To me his big issue is he is poor at pre snap reads. He does not see unblocked rushers well, he doesn't understand where the d is forcing him to roll when he does roll, and he does not do the Brady thing of identifying who will be uncovered out the gate and just go to him off of jump. Part of that is because he can be super man and buy time, and extend plays in order to make magic happen. But part of that is simply a weakness in his game. Having a yes man rookie or low experience and no success OC (which is what dabol, Dorsey, and Brady all are) is not a great way to get him out of these habits, which is why a top flight NFL QB in his 7th year still has them. I poop on mcds scheme all the time on d, but he does not have his guys consistently making pre snap errors or free lancing due to a lack of clarity on what they should be doing in a regular basis. I love 17 but if dcs for bmore a d Houston can just look at tape and know how to turn him into a bad below average NFL QB (which is exactly what he has been the past two games) then this is a problem. At first I thought the talent and size on bmore and their great run d just matched up badly with us, but they have the worst pass d in the NFL. Houston isn't great either. This is a coaching and player issue and it's shocking that a team who's won the division 4 years in a row and won the second most games and has the highest points differential let's it come to this.

Is that really true? That's crazy. Allen was off and trash, but how does an NFL offense run the ball effectively during the game but still end up doing so awful? The wr talent is cheeks, but our OC really really sucks right now. Not being able to have any go to plays or the ability to set things up is sub high school level. We had 7 or 8 negative plays, including a few awful attempts at screens (almost all to the left side on first down) and some obvious runs blown up, but 21 incomplete passes all go for 0 yards as well. So we are at 29 or 30 of mid 60 plays that got zero or fewer yards. I know we have less skill talent than last season, but holy cannoli it's not like we are marching out the sick and the crippled here. An NFL OC has to be able to get some production. I remember in 2021/22 a buddy of mine (non bills fan) commenting the dabo offense just looked like Allen on shotgun and a bunch of guys running at trying to get open. We have promoted from within twice since then. The offensive basis for this team has some shocking flaws that have papered over by Josh Allen. Well he's a bit hurt and his magic went away the last two weeks, so now we have the worst performing o in the NFL for two games. I don't know how people can have confidence in our front office given this drop off. We are clearly understood on O and the recipe to beat us is not hard to pull off. Disgusting

i think mcd has as much influence on the gm as any hc in the nfl. also, i think what they prepare for, who the line up, and how they run their o and d are the bigger issues. baltimore has a lot of talent, but their d has been horrible except for vs us. houston has a couple guys, but is not a great d by any means. both of them turned our o into zeroville. josh allen played not good vs balt and really bad vs houston, but it is clear the book is out and people know what to do to stop us. i refuse to believe that a josh allen lead offense should be 3 of 14 or whatever on 3rd down, and fail to score a td from the 9 or better twice in any game, let alone vs houston with who they have.

a one year rental where the raiders eat a bunch of cap is worth a 3rd, possibly a 2nd. if we get him for 2 years and cheap cap wise, then for sure a second, maybe a 2nd and a 4th or something. his health and so on is obv a concern, but a full strength adams doesn't help us vs baltimore (cluster game) but gives us a win over houston, and frankly last season woulda gotten us a win over KC in the playoffs. an actual outside threat changes a lot of things up for us. you make a great point about who we've drafted in the 2nd round. i still think cook is solid to very good, OCT hopefully turns it around, and bishop is just starting and i like his ability set, but these guys are not impact guys nor at high value positions.

knox is a below replacement level TE being paid like a top 5-10 guy. kinkaid had a great rookie year and has fallen off so far this season. there is something very broken with who beane brings in and what the team does with them. toohill getting extensive burn, hines never getting burn after an expensive trade, all these picks and contracts for DL and them being "kept fresh" in big downs. rotating the TEs in and out, and the goofy stuff we do lining up w the WRs and benching cook when he's fresh, it's all a disaster and i think it tips our tendencies horribly.

a loss vs teh jets, especially w the o looking clueless, and i think we have a coach that has lost the locker room.

i assumed they'd so something kind of roll out thing where he can option pitch it to an rb or throw a short one to the te, or keep it and run to the edge. hollis missing the perfect ball (i swear an average wr mighta taken that to the house) just made my heart sink. the holes on this team are killing us, and the front office is not good.

ok, this is a vet player pointing out that the coaches have lost the flipping plot, a soft mutiny of sorts. remember the denver loss last season? pure coaching error. mcd works hard all week and gets his d to play hard, even if his scheme can be awful vs good qbs or power run teams. his game day management is beyond bad. not pulling klien vs kc, keeping cook on the bench, 13 seconds, denver last year, this game. he just is not good on game day, and having him w two zero track record young coordinators isn't a good look either.

so, i woulda liked to have seen them run something w josh having the ball in his hand, an rb around him and a te out in front, make the d chose and at worst he rumbles forward and gets yards. i was shocked there were no runs by allen on that last posession. second, i agree if you run the ball you force the time out, and maybe get a few yards, but what's even more important is that it gives your punter a normal distance to kick, he had a compressed pocked because of how backed up they were. that woulda given us a shot at a deep and angled kick, and their punt returner was stinking all day, so if he doesn't field it perfectly then we force OT on the punt alone, and even if it was it's very low likelyhood that it's in FG range, so they get to run what, maybe 1 or 2 plays with no TOs? it's not being conservative vs aggressive, it's being dump and doing the obviously wrong thing at the wrong time.