colin

i think harvey has the chops to be considered at the 11 spot, but you really need to be an expert and spend time with the players to figure if he is worth it vs a cb or a wr. he's not vernon gholston or c long good, so it's not a no brainer. we have some beef on D now, if we spend a top 3 round pick on a DE we need a guy we can rotate in without our crop of DEs who can generate pressure consistently (with the rest of the line playing their roles of course, not tiny tim getting flipped over and the G and T all over aaron every snap). we need quicks and a guy who can play with leverage, flow to the ball, and get sacks/pressures. if he can do that then we should take him. if he is lacking in any of those catagories he is not worth the 11th pick FOR US. a wr that might o.w. go 18th might be, since we have a horrible O and small WRs

if this guy is a true super star guard (like larry allen, hutch type guy) and can play RG then getting him at 11 would make sense. even tho we need playmakers badly, if we can get a 3rd for jp and trade our 2nd and extra 3rd for a 1st, we can still grab a stud WR and get a good TE in the 3rd round. that would beast up our line pretty crazy. we'd be like KC a few years ago!

i think the real secret (from looking at the colts drafts) is get get a friggen super star stud every draft and you'll be ok peyton -- maybe best ever? edge -- super star RB morris -- miss wayne -- stud probowl top 5 type wr freeney -- best pass rusher in the nfl (top 3 anyway) and a monster clark -- top 3 tight end snaders -- D player of year, stud and a half jackson -- very solid cb if not great addai -- stud rb, from day 1 gonzo -- p1mp wr, very promising. i think getting great players > always getting linemen

the reason for a big wr is so he can get the jump balls reach further for fade outs and comebacks use his body to screen the d on slants and inside routes be physical at the line and block cbs take a toll on smaller dbs so they have to take different positions to cover different passes (as the big body makes playing straight up hard). of course the skills to play at the highest level are rare, size is rare, and together they are even more rare. overall every O really does need at least one big (or at least physical if not big) wr to post up on guys and run the corners and slants. we don't have that at all.

i like a couple drafts here. imo there are 2-4 guys at wr or te that COULD be the real stud we need, i hope our fa gets the ones they want. if a true super star OL or DL falls to us at 11 i think we could get him as cb/wr/and te are so deep this year. that said, if our fo thinks top picks go to playmakers and they can find diamonds with our many day 2 picks for our lines i can handle that. imo more projects in the mid rounds work out at the line than at play maker positions.

i agree about the o and qb. he wants to see what our team is like. IMO he is likely to get 80 for 1300+ and some TDs, so after that he will like it here and we'll re up for about 8-9 a year and 30 upfront. if we do it during the season (along w peters) that will be great as it uses up our cash this year, and lets us go out and sign or extend guys again.

total joke. when you look at DEs in the 3-4 since, you realize how insane bruce was. when people tell me LT or white were better than bruce, they often bring up how each changed how their positions were played. i point out that bruce played the position in way that no one before or since has ever been capable of playing. being lined up over the tackle for nearly every play in your career and still leading the nfl all time in sacks. if smith were a 4-3 for his entire career he would have cracked 30 in more than one year. his playoff sack numbers would be redunk as well.

rating a wr is tough, but it's skewed lately. the top wrs now have very big stats compared to guys of old. they are also much more impressive physical specimens. good point above about the play offs -- if we had won a single sb reed would have been in first ballot, yet he doesn't get enough credit for his playoff contribution. as sick as moss is, i'd much rather play him than TO in the playoffs, moss is like brady; perfect when on but once off he just isn't nearly the same player.

i don't think we'd have to give up a 3rd -- we can make them pay to play. i think 22nd and 28th would be awesome --- a CB and a WR, and we'd get a TE and a lineman in the 2nd and 3rd.

to me the contracts are what they are: no one is coming cheap so you have to pay up. that said, we added two big time run blockers (again look at how the skins ran against dock and how the faiders went going right) to an O that has some bigtime speed at wideout and a quick QB. all we are left with is a hole at rb, and i think a good rb will play even better than he is on our team with that line, particularly if he has some speed (why imo mcgahee was expendable). so for me it is about what picks we give up. if we can still have 3 day one picks, and land a guy like willis, and get turner then i'd consider that solid. if it costs us a shot at a good LB then i don't think so.

last season we lost milloy sam adams vincent posey mike williams losing them didn't really hurt us. frankly i expect the only guy we will miss to be nate. our running game wasn't good, so missing mcgahee won't make a big negative impact, and on d those guys didn't perform that well. we have added 2 solid big men to each line and our young team has one more year coming together. i expect us to be better

he won the butkis and was the best player on a team. he made big impacts in the sec, he looks day one pro ready. a more physical vilma

i don't think the bills pass on peterson unless someone offers the world (like GB giving up 1st, second and perhaps more). if peterson does fall to us, i see us trading back up into the 1st and getting a solid LB if available. with some (a lot) luck we might nab a falling peterson and willis. that might leave us with only one additional day one pick tho, but we could use that on the best CB, DT, or LB on the board then.

there is ALWAYS a run on a position in every draft, sometimes more than one position. last year it was DBs and pass rushers. guys went entire rounds ahead of where the mag people had them projected. if willis goes early lbs will get run on, if ANY db goes top 8 then dbs will get run on. i think it is most likely that all d line will get snapped up early. the 2 or 3 top pass rushers will get nabbed way early, then branch and okoy, then next level guys like carriker and so on. a run on dbs and d line would be great for us, we'd get the best lb or rb in the nation, and perhaps have a big trade down chance.

one game wouldn't hurt

donkos are a paper tiger fo sho. the one thing that leads to consistent winning in the nfl is good qb and passing play. that requires a good solid qb and a decent line (pass and run blocking) don't think denver has both of those

imo the true lowest risk pick is CB (i mean in general compared to other positions). you get very few true busts at cb compared to all other positions. jammer and newman were considered dissapointments but ended up as pretty solid cbs. buchanan and smoot disapointed, but still performed pretty well, at least at times. i don't want us to take a cb 1st by any means, but if we take 1 day one it prolly isn't the worst thing in the world. if we can make up for clements loss we will have had an very outstanding offseason.

we have a chance because teams ahead of us might want to stay put and get a de, lt, s, wr or qb. i'd love to see us trade out AP and get picks to get us willis and lynch

we are weaker at corner but IMO flat at secondary overall. if we draft a solid young lb and anyone for the DL we are a good bit better on the front 7 our biggest weakness has been a horrible O, poor short yardage game, not enough production consistantly from our passing game, and an inability to control the LOS. entering every single season for the past 10+ years we've been weak at LT. we have been HORRIBLE at LG since rubes left. now we have a solid (and by many accounts top 5 or 6) LT, a kick ass LG, and with the kid from the raiders we have a RG as well. this is the best our O has been for a while

if ap is there i think we might pull off a super draft double: 1. trade down with someone who wants ap (get about 5-10 spots lower and a 2nd) 2. pick up willis/whoever at our new spot 3. trade up with our 2 2nds or a combo of 2nds and 3rds and get marshaun or whoever falls that far.

mcgayhee reminds me of mike tyson after he started falling off. he used to use his explosiveness so much that everything else he did was based on that, just like tyson used his ability to mix up knockout punches. as soon as tyson lost his bobbing and weaving ability his power was much less effective -- now that willis lost his turbo charge he really doesn't seem to be able to use the rest of his skills as well as he could of. our o would be perfect for a mix up of a power and speed back, or an all purpose guy like marshawn lynch. i'm not really worried about losing willis, there are prolly 6 young guys coming out of the ncaa this draft who could give us more than 1k and 4.0 per carry, maybe a lot more.

we can get a small quick LB, or perhaps draft one with real potential. we cannot just up and nab an OG ready to maul in the run game. the bills decided that a fast D that keeps teams from scoring (which they were pretty good at last year) and a run game that can control the game late is better than what we could have had on D. i think they are right. you can plug in fast hungry guys on D along with a good mix of players and end up with an effective D. a good o line takes a few studs, good team play, and good overall ability and toughness. i think we have a good mix of young vets on our o line for the first time since 88

this is pretty damn negative right here. what the bills are doing is simple: they are stocking up by unit not by position. we have plenty of WRs (a big one or TE would round it out to a top unit in the whole NFL) we have a good young qb we have a decent secondary (lost a great one, but have 2 young safeties and 2 young cbs, better than most) a healthy tko makes our lb pretty good, but i think we draft that kid from the sec who gets all over the place. our dline lacks size/run stopping but we have the mccargo who was well thought of last year and will prolly jam another dt in there. we are very good at de our rb situation could be better, but i think we have plenty of outs and willis in a contract year might just kill some fools. clearly we went crazy on o line yesterday. we had a crap line, after the bye it was decent. we now have a couple straight studs on the left, a decent C, and some size and ability on the right. all young, and we added depth (these guys ALWAYS get banged up, you never go 16 without having a lineman go down). you can B word about this player or that player, but the team plays together. our whole ability to pass and run and dictate the pace of the game and MOST IMPORTANTLY to mash people up in the red zone and on 3rd and short. if this line performs as well is at can we have an advantage that pretty much has been the one constant throughout football history: if you can whip them in the trenches you can whip them anywhere

have you seen what other 2 and 3 year day 1 DE picks are getting paid? check out what the kid from GB and the kid from KC are getting (isn't the kid in KC getting franchised?) also the kid on the titans. carter went to DC and howard went to philly for even bigger contracts. while they might be superior to kelsey it would not take much for kelsay to pass them this season, and all the above contracts set the price for kelsey. what matters is if he can be a bigger time player this season

i think CBs are a much hotter position in the nfl than before, so the lowest rated DB or CB might still go pretty high. last draft we had no true top notch corners, but dbs went all over the high end of the board (including 7,8, and low double digit picks). cbs are rare and tend to contribute pretty well as rooks which makes them covoted picks. the last draft i can remember with cbs being rated low was in 01 when clements went to us in the 20s, and i think about 75% of gms would have taken him if they had another chance in that draft. dbs will always go high so we might get a player to slip or a team to trade up to us.