colin

he's saying you take the player that gives you team the most. position will have a part in it, but you don't just draft the best guy at a given position that you have a need at in the draft. his point is if you team needs a tackle and because of this you decide you are gonna draft a tackle no matter what (GIT ER DONE MARV) if you take you tackle over a player who would provide more value to the team but at a different position you don't gain because if that tackle doesn't workout, YOU STILL NEED A TACKLE so reaching or compramising or being overly focussed on one position is bad.

as much of a bust as he was mike williams was a mauling monster on running plays. compared to him peters will look weak, but is his issue not getting in the right position for run blocking or his overall strength?

well, you don't have it right either. if you learn enough about economics you will learn that value is subjective, although in the NFL we can assume that all teams are after a championship. if we can opperate under that assumption then yes where players are picked and how valuable they are (wrt to winning a championship) can vary, but the players value to each team can vary as well. all that said, market failures are a misnomer and Ackerleys market for lemons is a weak strawman.

i read a bloomberg article looking at the value of draft picks (by how much they overperform their salary) and it said the top of the 1st is crap but the 2nd round is great. anyhow, i don't like this kind of analysis on football, it ignores too many other things that are specific and relevant to football. there is a large emotion and psychological aspect of the game, going for it and messing up gives the other team a boost and hurts your own guys. there are also only so many plays one can run on 4th that have a chance to move the chains, if you ran those plays more you'd reduce your ability to pull them off. wrt the draft, the analysis ignores how very very good players make other players better, and how they are scarce, and you need certain rare players to win the superbowl, the goal of every team. in other words, winning one year and sucking the next 2 is better than being pretty good for 3 years.

i really wonder about that lb from penn state. does he really have an NFL skill set? Hawk was a slam dunk, but he is MUCH bigger and faster, and has better hands, and is more productive, and more successful, and bigger in big games and blah blah blah. i think more RBs and fewer linemen should go in the first 10. i figure about 13 RBs, -7 linemen, 3 QBs, and one white slow undersized injured linebacker goes in the top 10. and a kicker.

that with a decent yards per attempt and a bit of scrambling is WAY WAY above average for an NFL QB. if our D gets back to form, our run game is OK, and our special teams just stay the way we are a QB performance like that (with lots of young and cheapish WRs) would make my day

who drafted that year or after has more sacks than aaron schobel? how many sacks does the average DE from that year have since then? please bring up other aspects of DE play as a counterpoint to me bringing up sacks (HINT: aaron does a few things well), or just handwave and say aaron's sacks only come in one game a season. thanks

i'd like us to keep him, but a franchise and trade for a pick (asuming youtoby can play at that level) would be good too. if we keep him we have clements mcgee whitmore vincent youtoby simpson who at that point will be the best dime package in the NFL and a lot of depth at nickle. along with a 3/4 man line and 2 LBs that would REALLY help us on 3rd and long (particularly with gerry joker not running madden Ds all the time with sellout blitzes at outside gaps)

whitner is a harder hitter and a much better tackler. everyone who plays for OSU can tackle, even the QBs! I think our brain trust see him knocking heads off and hawking balls in the middle, essentially doing what roy williams/sean taylor/troy in pitts do. kind of how basketball playing tight ends are all the rage, i think our guys want to be ahead of the modern safety trend

i think our best game on D was against carolina, we got run on a bit but managed to frustrate them with a sort of cover 2 look (very vanilla with LBs underneath on the WRs). with a bump in our front 7 (crowell after 1 full year, SPIKES, and our new DTs) i think our new super fast secondary (particularly in nickle) might end up making us a VERY good top 10 D. a top 10 D does a whole lot towards making us a winning team, coupled with special teams and some luck we might just be one this season.

i don't get these draft guys. sometimes they rate teams highly for filling in needs, but most of the time they just buy into hype. how does zona get such high grades for building on a strength (passing) and ignoring every other need on their team? A+ for a back up QB who might end up being very good (or a total bust, he slipped for a reason) a TE who will be a small addition to a stacked still position team, and a big fat slow short armed guard who doesn't fit their o which is full of big fat slow linemen. i'm not saying zona did bad, but these people seem to have no solid consistent way of marking, just throwing stuff against the wall, hoping some sticks.

how many of these clowns had leinart as the top qb, young as a potential falling rock. eric winston and winston justice in the high first round, and mario williams falling as far as 5th? how many had cramartie and all the other marginal CBs going as high as they did, and how many has Ernie Sims going before leinart? i don't even look at people's boards, just at the player breakdowns. we got 3 quality football players and i think marv is about right that whitner wouldn't have gotten past Detroit and St Lou/Balt.

i understand that these are all exciting big name players, but arizona had a massive passing O last year. they have a crap D all over the place and a suspect O line. the one OG might be a nice fit, but they will get very little next year from this draft

if we took eric winston in the 2nd, bunk in the 1st, and gilles and watson in the 3rd everone (including me) would have thought we got great value and solid guys but would have been wrong by a country mile. for this reason, i don't freak out over our picks, but just try to learn more about them. what i have found is that all 3 are impact players, not workout guys who shot up, potential guys who MIGHT become great, or big program guys with character problems who would be great if the just straightned out. i'll take who marv levy thinks is a good football player all day

they sure solved their WR, QB, RB, DE problems didn't they? Mangold and d'brick are going to open holes for .... and keep pass rushers away from...... on second thought it looks like they only addressed some of their problems, kind of like us

top linebackers, a super fast aggressive young secondary, a quality pass rusher, two fast DTs who can get after the passer and disrupt. i've said it before, we only lost a couple guys and went from the best d to one of the worst, i think a couple players can put us back up there and we might have them right here.

where did espn have leinart, ngata, etc. if you look at the player profiles you'll notice people talked about his speed and explosion, if all you go by is the analysis you'll see he was thought of highly. you can't just look at a draft board, you have to look at what they actually say. this guy grades as a hyper active 3 technique DT, i think that's exactly what we were looking for and didn't think bunkley was worth what he would cost.

ok, another surprise, but the guy is a highly rated super quick DT, the bunkley our team really wanted

great minds think alike AND SO DO WE!!

i think justice or winston will go to the bills here. i also think they traded their 2nd and one of their 3rds. very outside chance they like MANGOLD but justice is prolly more likely. i could go for another buckeye

BILLS TRADE INTO 1ST!!! 26

this is just silly. the bills AND detriot didn't bother to trade down to pick up a 3rd, arizona prolly thought they didn't need to trade up (as cutler OR matt would have gone to them). so the bills were looking at trading down to 14-18 and getting a 3rd rounder? we have 2 as it is, we wanted the biggest impact guy we could get in the 1st. we had a shot at either QB, ngata, bunk, justice, and so on but decided on this guy. i think the bills thought this guy is worth more than anyone named above plus a 3rd, otherwise they could have taken any one of them.

i was shocked, but remember dwight freeny, levi jones, edge james? everyone thought they went too high and were not even that great at their position, but they were all fundamentally sound. this guy is too

WE HAVE THE HAMMER FOR THE QBS!@!!!!!! PAY US YOU QB WANTING FREAKS WE WANT 10-15TH PICK 2ND 3RD AND MORE

we might pick up 3 picks for leinart when he falls to us