BadLandsMeanie

Yes and no. What you say is true but guys don't want to catch a ball that is going 60 miles an hour. So this really only applies on the long ball as in your example, when it has had time to slow down some. And to be a pain there is also the arc of the ball to be considered and the calculations of wind resistance and deceleration on a 60 mph versus a 50 mph one. I have no idea if it is different, but it could require adjustments to your calculations there!

Nice find with the stats there Shaw. Memory lane: YEAR: 2010 Levi Brown, Troy 56 2010 My boy Levi Brown was number 1! Levi was robbed I tell ya!

I'm kinda desperate. At this point I think the only things I couldn't overlook would be if he was some kind of terrorist or the leader of North Korea.

Speaking for myself, I would support a Chicken Wing hating, politically crusading, religion spouting, jay walking, tax dodging, un-natural child of a biological union between Bill Bellichick and Jon Bon Jovi, who insisted on playing in high heels and feather boa, if I thought he would get us to the Superbowl. I think most Bills fans would too!

This year The defense has carried the team a couple of times to pull out a win. The kicking game carried the team for at least one win. The running game carried the team for at least one win. When it is the passing games "turn" to carry the team, nothing happens. We may be 5-4 but in my opinion we lose nothing by switching up because the passing game has never carried the team to a win this year.

Do you mean the clip or the gaps? Tom Brady does this all the time. He is the best there is at it. The clips I dont know it is very well done though. No, Tyrod did not. He can not do that. Tyrod is unable to do that. Look, probably I can't do that either I am not saying he is stupid. You have to think and see very fast and Tyrod can't do it. Or won't I don't know which. What is so terrible about not having to watch the Tyrod to Tolbert connection for another week? I don't understand at all really.

OK you have a point. But I didn't watch Wentz or Goff. Rookies make mistakes and often make stupid ones. Even jim kelly made costly mistakes his first year as a Bills. Did Wentz or Goff look like they were unable to understand? Like they could not be made to understand? Like they could not think quickly enough, could not scan the field quickly enough, could not recognize coverage? JP, EJ, and Tyrod appeared as if they could not be made to understand. And that they could not read the defense quickly. Not to me, like they were making mistakes doing it. They looked like "can not". Trent Edards certainly could and was worth waiting and seeing. Until he started to REFUSE to make certain throws. Just like Tyrod has started to do. He just wont do it. Time for the bench. OK but the only place we are going to the playoffs in, playing like we have been, is in your mind. That is where we disagree. We were on the fast track to nowhere and the mirage blew up. That is how I see it anyway. How about we wait and see how Peterman does before we decide they have made an error?

If I may say so, I think 7 or 8 games is enough to get a pretty good idea. Especially since Peterman comes in with experience running an NFL style offense. Most new guys nowadays have no clue because of the college style offenses. And maybe call me crazy but I think most QB's you can get a pretty good idea after half season. Maybe not about how they will play in 5 years. But about how they will do anytime soon. And I think teams including the Bills kind of lie to us about that, or to themselves. JP was in trouble you could see it early on. EJ was in trouble you could see it early on. The Bills just pretended it wasn't true for years.

The move cleared about $5 million in 2017 salary-cap space and about $2 million in 2018 cap space, in addition to erasing about $47 million in cap hits from 2019-21. In all, the Bills saved about $54 million over five seasons by trading Dareus. The Jaguars owe Dareus about $5 million in guaranteed salary for the remainder of this season as well as $7.35 million of his salary in 2018. There are no guarantees after 2018. It is also an unexpected development for a team that might have released Dareus after this season at a higher cost to their salary cap. Had the Bills released Dareus in March, they would have been on the hook for the guaranteed $7.35 million of his 2018 salary, in addition to the $14.2 million in signing bonus proration they had to swallow with a trade. In this case, the Jaguars absorb that $7.35 million. That's what I know, from Rodak http://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/29701/bills-save-54-million-in-cap-space-in-dumping-marcell-dareus-contract

Ok, say you are right and we make the playoffs. Will you be ok with it if Tyrod and the offense score 3 points in a playoff game? Or the conference championship is where they choose to have their meltdown? This offense melts down sometimes. A couple games the defense scored enough points for a win. Another game we have I don't remember how many field goals. But this offense does not often put the ball in the end zone, even when they are not having a bad day.

Yes. Plainly they are moving on from Tyrod Taylor. Or possibly they are trying to wake him up. Against the Jets we scored 7 points during the portion of the game where it was not a sure loss. Against the Saints we scored 3. When you score 10 points in 2 weeks you have to do something when you are dealing with a 7th year pro. Or so I think. I agree with you all who say that we may spend just one high pick on a qb if things go well. That makes sense. Let me say this though. I know Peterman was chosen in the 5th for a reason. And I know even a high first rounder has about a 50-50 chance of turning out well. On Peterman's first day at camp, his first day, I watched him reading the defense and picking at the seams in the zone defense. Someone posted a vidoe of him doing that from last game so you can see what I mean. He sees what is happening, and the throws to the spot where he knows the gap will be, before the receiver even makes his cut. I am no football genius I freely admit. But I have been going to camp for 13 years now. No rookie could do that. And we have had multiple starters who could not do that. Tyrod can not do this. On his first day of camp Peterman could. That is very different. I was amazed. Maybe he has other big flaws, but I think maybe he might be good enough. And i think the coaches might think he might maybe be good enough too.

All other factors and possibilities and feelings and opinions aside, the Bills brass are looking at this in a very simple clear professional way. They will play Peterman which means, things can go well, or things can go badly. If things go well they will know that they do not need to draft a quarterback high next year. If things go badly, they will know that they do need to draft a quarterback. And they will be in a better potion to do so because they will have lost more games and will draft higher. I think it is that simple. They need to know and they are going to find out

wow Its true listening to it now

Why can't they go back to Tyrod? Is he like their girlfriend? Once they jilt her, they can't get her back? I am so sick of this stupid, absolute horse crap superstition and smokescreen the NFL throws up around the QB spot.. They have two player under contract that can use them as needed period. If they are AFRAID to, ok. They should just say that they are afraid. But they certainly can do it.

There is a dark side to "The Process".

A tid bit I have wondered about since I read it. Might be something, might be nothing. Adding it for anyone who is still reading this thread. From Kimberly Martin's article of Oct 14. The set up is these are the names that have haunted or motivated Tyrod since his draft 6 1/2 years ago, 2011. " "He leans back in his chair, clasps his hands behind his head and looks to the ceiling. Then, the names begin to flow. Taylor recites them from memory as if reading from a script. But after all these years, he doesn’t need much practice. They will stay with him for the rest of his NFL career – if not longer. “Cam Newton. Colin Kaepernick. Andy Dalton. Jake Locker. Christian Ponder. T.J. Yates. Ryan Mallett. Ricky Stanzi,” he rattles off in rapid succession. Then, he pauses again. “Wait, I’m missing somebody,” he says, before he’s reminded of Blaine Gabbert, the 10th overall pick in 2011, and Nathan Enderle, a late fifth-rounder." The 10 names of QBs picked before him. The 10 names that "...will stay with him for the rest of his NFL career – if not longer." But he can only remember 8 of them. Like I say, might be something, might be nothing. http://buffalonews.com/2017/10/14/tyrod-taylor-unfiltered-win-everythings-great-lose-want-crucify/ (is paywalled)

Don't underestimate Coleman. He is ready... To light the way.. To generate a pass rush And to Circle the Wagons

So far I only have one rational theory about what happened. I don't believe it, but it is the only possibility that has some chance of being true that I have thought of so far. Many players think of it, reasonable, that they have only so many plays in their bodies. Obviously there are other factors that may even matter more. But Ross Tucker for example once wrote an article saying he and many other players, truth be told, would rather not go to the playoffs because of the extra wear and tear. I am not saying the Bills don't want to go to the playoffs. I think they do. But they may have realized at some point that the Saints were going to kill them no matter what they did. And they may have decided to just get through the game with as little wear and tear as possible.

Well we will find out eventually but it might take years for something to leak out I suppose. I just wish I could find the game film. I really want to look at it and see if I can figure something out. But no one posted it this week that I can find.

Well, for me, setting aside any trace of predicting how any Bills QB will turn out in the long run, just side stepping that whole thing: We had an offense out there behind by 30 points who wouldn't take gambles and just go for broke. If I was head coach, unless it was me who told the team not to try at all to come back and win, I wouldn't want anybody to think they couldn't be benched when something like that is happening. For me that means the offensive coordinator on down. That one piece is the main part I don't understand about this game, The offense didn't even seem to try any desperation measures.

Tuesday morning I get my cup of coffee I turn to TBN....and no Voice of the Fan. This isn't Hollywood glamour boy. People are expected to show up and meet basic expectations. Oh, except the team, hmm. Ok, This isn't Hollywood or the NFL glamour boy. Where's my VOF? My free trail period ended and I don't read the other stuff. So I am paying 50 cents a VOF here. (not counting the extra in-between one you did)

Tom Landry is a Hall of Fame coach. These guys are not maybe is on reason why. I am serious about what you said I do think they should try it. Every coach in the league refuses to do this though. They have many many excuses. What it amounts to for me is that they have a superstition that QB is the one job that must not be competed for in games.

Hey Foxx well I had spent a few minutes wondering about that. But it seems crazy to me that the whole team could be angry enough about something to just quit trying without any word of it leaking out. They looked like replacement players. That was really weird.

We have come full circle Shaw back to the point where your colum is better than the game. I had a bad feeling before this game but man I had no inkling it could be THAT bad. I don't understand how things went this wrong so fast. Especially because everything I thought they were, they are not. Not scrappy, not sound fundamentals, not smart, not well coached, not physical, not knowing the assignments, none of it. It just evaporated so completely I wonder if it was even there to begin with. Do you have any idea how things could crumble so bad so fast? I could only come up with a couple possibilities. Dareus would certainly have helped but his leaving couldn't make THAT big of a difference. I am wondering about his Hatian connection though. Maybe there is something to Voo Doo after all. That team looked cursed. Or, I am wondering if the light bulb finally went on for Tyrod when they got rid of Dareus. Woods, Watkins, Gilmore, Darby, and then Dareus. Maybe when Dareus went, Tyrod finally realized that they are getting rid of all the good players. And that if he wants to stick around Buffalo he had better start sucking and he better start sucking fast. Now he can only hope that he didn't start too late and that he is sucking bad enough to save his job.