Bill from NYC
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That game wasn't great. Leading a team to 16 points isn't great. One drive that ends in a FG late in the game isn't "great" (though I was impressed with his ability, to just once, overcome adversity). Great is probably the most overused term in our society.
That roster was far from pathetic and if Johnson or Flutie were just better than average that team would have been in the Super Bowl instead of losing the WC game on the road.
The meaningless game before it was great (vs. Indy).
That was the problem with RJ. He would do superb things sometimes and make us forget that he couldn't play football very well.
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Not true AD. We truly need the kid to play well!!! No crusade here. I merely like to see a player do it on the field before I lavish praise upon him, and thought that the quote was in poor taste.
Something told me not to comment on it but I did anyway, so in that sense, SDS was correct with his barb.
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JP's comments concerning RJ were in relation to the "california surfer dude" stereotype. JP didn't call out RJ's physical ability or skills as a QB; he's smart enough to be aware of recent history and realize that a california boy has to prove he belongs in a blue collar town.
i prefer a glib QB who doesn't hide from the media and tells it like he sees it. we can agree to disagree on that point.
Maybe you are correct. I hope so, but I saw nothing in what was posted to indicate that.
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someone most likely posted this, but i think it was interesting:
JP stated that he was NOT rob johnson and that his dad did cement work and his mom worked 2 jobs. while i like his modest past and candor, is he trying to hard to be a blue collar/ buffalo type guy? just be yourself JP and play hard and win games. the fans will love you for who you are on the field - nothing else. these sentences - where he relates to fans - are strange. is sam W. writting these?
I was not going to mention that quote due to the probability of being castigated for being a non-worshipper, but I too found it disturbing.
Rob Johnson had at least as much talent as JP, and he is bigger. Was RJ a good qb? NO. Has JP proven that he is even as good as RJ in a real game? NO.
I am proud and delighted to see a kid from working class parents succeed. That said, I wish that the kid would just shut up and play football.
He would be much better off, because dumb statements to the press can and will come back to haunt a player.
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TD is the guy responsible for NOT locking this thread.
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Yeah, MW definitely had a great start FOR A ROOKIE PLAYER. He was not a great player his first year (2002) but I feel quite comfortable saying he got off to a great startthat he has not continued. We can certainly argue the semantics of what one means by "great" or "disaster" but I think any rational analysis (not that I expect or demand that any fan be rational actually) looks at MWs first year and judges it to be much close to the good side (great start) than the bad side (disaster).
Specifically:
1. He was chosen to start right away as a rookie.
I would judge this to be a good start and a start to be hoped for in a #4 choice, but as 50% of the choices in even the 1st round disappoint according to the pundits, breaking into the starting line-up in your first game is an essential part of a great start though it does not gurantee it. If he had not been able to start his first year you might (might) call his first year a disaster, but he did start so if you are going to justify calling it a disaster 1. it has to be shown that his play was the bad or the cause of bad things and, 2. the burden is definitely on those labeling his play a disaster because the default of the coaches choosing him to start provides some assumption of at least credible play on his part.
2. The team was very productive offensively in 2002.
Assessing lineman play is a tough thing for a fan to do. There are not the usual assorment of stats like catches, yards gained, TDs etc to point to when making a case. Even worse, what you see in terms of line plan may not be a totally accurate indicator of individual play. For example defender who lined up across from an OL player may get credit for a sack but the OL player may not be the blame if the line call gave him responsibility for a different player on a slant block.
This being said, all the objective signs point to MW and the OL being part of an O which performed in objective terms and relative to other Bills teams produced on the field:
A. This OL provided the blocking which allowed even a statue like Bledsoe to set multiple single-game and season records for offensive production.
B. The OL provided the blocking which allowed Henry to gain the fifth highest rushing total in Bills history.
C. The OL provided the blocking which saw 3 Bills O players (Moulds, Bledsoe and Henry) qualify for the Pro Bowl (not a perfect indicator but a pretty good assessment of accomplishment from third parties).
There were objective limitations to his game. he did not start all 16 games, but starting 14 as a rookie is very good. He logged some sack free games and did so early (Bledsoe for example was only sacked once in MWs first start and I'm not sure who was responsible). However, all in all I'm not sure where you get calling this a disaster from.
In my view MW clearly got off to a great start because he was a key part of an OL that helped the team produce offensively and in the most important indicator the team went from 3-13 to 8-8.
I will concede that I was not as accurate as I could be if I gave the impression I thought he was a great player his first year rather than what I meant that he got off to a great start at the beginning of his career. However, I'd love to see you lay out the case that his first year was a disaster because I saw nothing that would indicate this is true in the least.
Jeepers, if Bledsoe made the Pro Bowl with a disaster playing RT for him and Henry racked up about 1400 yards and caught over 40 passes with a disaster playing RT in front of him then maybe well all better reconsider how good Bledsoe and Henry are. If they can pull off their 2001 accomplishments with MW being a disster they must be good.
FFS, it is kind of you to attribute Henry's yardage and Drew's pro-bowl selection to Mike Williams, but imo you are simply wrong to do so.
Again, imo, Henry gained a good deal of yardage due to the Gilbride system; an ill advised mess which was pass oriented, behind a weak OL. Defenders were charging past the LOS to sack Drew, so in essence, Travis was running by these guys, who were not thinking run.
Wrt Drew, if you want to credit MW for his pro-bowl appearance, please inform us who you wish to blame for more than 100 sacks in 2 seasons? Although he was FAR from the only cause for these sacks, the sad truth is that speed rushers got around MW almost at will. He could always run block to a degree. Big deal. That is the easy part of playing the OL.
My hopes for MW were high because of when he was selected. There are posts galore (all quite true I might add) telling us how GMs know more than fans. It was TD who devoted the 4th pick of a draft on this kid, along with tens of millions of dollars.
A great OT CAN be worth this kind of investment to be sure. Pace and Ogden were instrumental in their team's superbowl wins. One had a qb who was from the Arena League, the other a qb with a non-descript career before that season.
Disaster might have been a tad harsh no doubt, but MW has simply not earned the big bucks since his arrival in Buffalo, at times falling far short of doing so.
The good news is that it isn't too late. We have him for 3 more seasons, and I for one wont be distressed about his cap hit IF he develops into one of the top 10 offensive tackles in the NFL, and I dont think that this is asking too much.
He is already beind paid as such.
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Glad you appreciate it. QB would be another one. I mean, if spending TWO second round picks on specialized slot receivers in the past four drafts wasn't bad enough, how about exhausting two first rounders, a second and a fifth on the QB position in the past 4 drafts. Combined, that's two firsts and three seconds spent on two positions for players that lack the versatility to be moved around if they fail to excel at the position they are drafted for.
When you put it like that, I agree. In order for the Bills to take it to the next level, they need succcess at positions for which they allocated so much resources.
Imo, they also need at least one of the 2 offensive linemen to be a player. Everybody is quick to give Big Ben all or most of the credit for the Steeler's splendid 04 season. I am just as quick to cite their strong, deep and talented offensive line.
What are your thoughts on our new blockers? Have you seen much of them?
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Defense:
1) Troy Vincent
2) The Lawyer
3) London Fletcher
Offense:
1) Eric Moulds
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Travis cannot/wont protect his quarterback from the running back position. This strong runner is utterly useless as a blocker. Certainly you dont dispute this if you watch the Buffalo Bills football games.
What on Earth leaves you with the impression that he would be willing to sacrifice his body to make a special teams play for a team that he wants off of; this in an option year?
Travis is a proven loser who will not be on the football team this season.
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Marc in Montreal and The Dean in 2 days?
All we need now is "Des!"
Glad to see ya Marc!
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The best LTs usually develop quicker than their fourth season.
Pace struggled at first after his hold out but by the secomd year was a clear force to be reckoned with and I would not be surprised if he got Pro Bow recognition as early as his third year. Jonathan Ogden was even quicker out of the box if memory serves me correctly and by his second year was well on his path to be considered one of the best.
MW had a great start, but having Vinklarek and Ruel as his OL coaches have set back his development by at least a year and in conjunction with the death of the grandma who raised him really set back his development by a couple of years.
I am hopeful and I think it is reasonable to hear some talk of MW dominating this year, but if he were really on track he would have been ready to flip to LT right now.
A great start? His first 2 years 1/2 years were a disaster.
MW started palying well on 10/31/04 in the Arizona game.
That said, the fact that he looks good now is nothing less than spectacular news.
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With the new enforcement last year of not touching WR's it has brought back the small speedy WR to the NFL. The bias towards bigger WR's helped allow Roscoe to slide to the 2nd round.
An offense is often measured by the number of offensive players you have that can score a TD of 80 yards...prior to last season we had 1...an aging Eric Moulds.
We now have 4...Roscoe, Moulds,Evans & Mcgahee....with a strong armed mobile QB who throws well on the run. Defensive coordinators will have much to worry about.
You raise a fair point, but nothing can work without a strong, talented offensive line. I respect Coach McNally as much as anybody on this board after having seen what he did for the OL last season (of course bringing in CV helped too
), but the Bills need a pro-bowl performance from Big Mike this season, and someone to step up and be a good LT.I am hopeful, but it is asking a lot.
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1) Block, and run the football.
2) Prevent the other team from running the football against us.
Pretty basic stuff, but that, imo, is the primary way in which football games are won and lost.
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Sep 11 Houston (W)
Sep 18 @Tampa Bay (W)
Sep 25 Atlanta (L)
Oct 2 @New Orleans (L)
Oct 9 Miami (W)
Oct 16 N.Y. Jets (L)
Oct 23 @Oakland (L)
Oct 30 @New England (L)
Week 9 BYE
Nov 13 Kansas City (L)
Nov 20 @San Diego (L)
Nov 27 Carolina (W)
Dec 4 @Miami (W)
Dec 11 New England (L)
Dec 17 Denver (W)
Dec 24 @Cincinnati (W)
Jan 1 @N.Y. Jets (W)
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And what did the cops do? Suspect the fiance right off the bat! He was the guy who reported her missing and for that he's suspect #1. Sometimes I think cops get lazy and try to hang it on the closest person they find. I don't blame him for not wanting to take a poly without a video. It was obvious they were going to try to pin it on him.
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Good point. Next time there is a missing bride from Georgia, the detectives should disregard the fiancee and go straight to Albequerqe, New Mexico and search for clues.
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Lori, it is great that you are posting on TSW. Thanks for such a great report.
See ya in October!
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Imo, our Bills do not have the time nor cap space to waste on a non-talented player such as Josh Reed.
I am guessing, but imo, he is a classic example of a kid who didn't try hard enough. Posters here throughout the years have told of his partying exploits. I believe it.
As much as I am not thrilled by the Parrish draft pick, at least he has possibilities. Josh otoh has been here long enough and his tenure has been a failure.
Jmo, but I am hoping that the Bills cut him, and his pass dropping ways.
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>>>>Under pressure from Robinson, Gallagher-Smith eventually told her husband and said he forgave them, and Robinson continued to caddie for Gallagher-Smith through the end of the tour season in October, Robinson said.<<<<
"OK, no problem! Now, go out, win, and have fun you two."
Is this what the husband said?
Btw, this could backfire on the caddy. Being a slut does not disqualify the golfer from getting custody of the baby, so if the child DOES belong to him, 17% of his (pre-tax) income will belong to her (at least by the NYS formula).
I think the caddy planned on the golfer getting a divorce and then stepping into a big "purse."
Interesting case in a changing world.
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WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gotta go to work, but I am thinking that when I get back, The Dean will be here talking some football!!!!!!
Welcome back Bro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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He may well be a blowhard, but I believe the following.....
>>>>The Bills risk reducing their leverage even further by flirting with former Bears running back Anthony Thomas, who visited Buffalo on Thursday. If they should sign Thomas, the ultimate fate of Henry would seem to be an outright release.<<<<
This is pretty tough to argue with, wouldn't you say?
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Everyone acts like it was a huge mistake not to trade Henry before/during the draft. Am I the only one that thinks the Bills will get better value for Henry during training camp or in the preseason?
Of the 32 teams, one of them (including possibly the Bills) will lose their starting running back before the first weekend of real games. Having Henry on the roster when that happens will be a great asset. Even if they end up with a 3rd rounder in '06 for Henry, that pick should be better than a 3rd rounder in '05 would have been.
When someone loses their starter, I imagine getting a 3rd round pick next year won't be very hard when they realize how much better Henry is than their backup, even if it is just to fill in while their main guy heals.
Travis Henry is all but worthless. He could not bring us a decent pick in a poor draft. Thinking that he can bring us a decent pick in a strong draft is silly.
What is the problem? GMs around the league simply do not view him as a good football player, which he is not.
Imo, he will be cut in early September, and then if he is lucky, sign for the NFL minimum with another team. The Bills will lose a sack of sh-- and gain approx. 1 mil in cap space.
Sounds OK to me.
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Greg Zolman.
JP's past...
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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My point about the "Big Cat" story is that it WAS ridiculous, not something about which to praise the kid.
