Bill from NYC
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No, once again you're not reading or too quick to jump on people without thinking of what you're complaining about. Almost every evaluation of Losman will say that he "can make every throw". That phrase doesn't mean that in games against top NFL defenses he will be able to make the plays, that phrase means he can throw deep with accuracy and strength, he can throw hard enough to complete long out patterns, he has a touch to complete short slants and swings and screens, he can thread the ball into small spaces over the middle, he can drop passes over defenders into recievers, etc. He has the talent to make throws throws. That's what he can make every throw means, as opposed to some quarterbacks that can make certain throws and not have the arm strength or accuracy or touch to make others.
Kelly I love ya, but please dont think for me. I have a hard enough time myself.
Look, if I appeared to be jumping on him, I apologise...to HIM.
Second of all, let us please look at the phrase "every throw." OK? There are only a few qbs who ever played that can throw accurate, consistent out patterns of 30-40 yards without a ton of air under them. Elway, Marino, Bert Jones, Namath, are some. You know who else could? Yeah.....Drew Bledsoe!
This does not make Drew the greatest of all time, but his arm is a freak. Again, the phrase "every throw" is what was brought up.
From what very little I have seen of JP, I liken his style/arm strength to that of Joe Theisman. If he could have a similar career to Theisman, I would be thrilled, and the Bills would win many games behind him. That said, the "every throw" thing is exactly what I was addressing. That, and being able to make ANY throw in a real game.
Maybe I am getting too much like you and nit-picking to excess!
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The "nothing else" was unfair Mark. He tossed 50 and 60 yard bombs to Evans that had just the right amount of air under them.
Drew had his faults for sure, but he could make the almost impossible throws. Looking back, that could truly have been part of his problem, as strange as that may sound.
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I saw some Roydell WIlliams footage on the NFL network and some highlights had Jp throwing him the ball. On a couple of different occasions it showed JP throwing the corner/fade route on the goaline to RW with a lot of touch. Unlike the QBs from this draft, JP can make every single throw. Aaron Rodgers and Alex Smith might be efficient with short to intermediate passes but can't strcth the defense with the long throw like JP can.
Once again, I wish that I could be as optimistic by nature as some of you.
>>>>>Unlike the QBs from this draft, JP can make every single throw.<<<<<
I mean, do you realize what you just posted????? He can make EVERY THROW???
Good God, he has proven NOTHING! Rob Johnson could make ten times the throws of JP, except not in the NFL! Drew throws 40 yard out patterns, something JP could only dream about, and he was just run out of town!
How about we wait and see if he can survive preseason this year and let him win a couple of football games before we ordain him as this perfect all-time great?
Sheesh!
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I do agree, and I'm certain that TD knows that better than me. But he won't have to cut him for a very long time. My understanding is that he simply will cost us $1.25M in this year's cap, which is chump change...relatively speaking. Meanwhile, TD is given the one thing he needs to unload Henry: Time. Because in due time, any number of things can happen.
(1) A RB can get hurt in the preseason, and TH can be had cheaply.
(2) He can still be traded for a pick for next year.
The same, by the way, could be said about Shelton. He offers a significant cap hit to the Cardinals, and likely will be cut June 1. Assuming that happens, how great to have picked up Shelton, and still be sitting on Henry?
Time and options is all TD can ask for. Believe me, if a year goes by and he can't get anything of value for Henry, not a Bills fan will really care because they'll have a whole new list of things to B word about.
It depends on what you mean by "a very long time." He is only under contract for 1 more year. How much more time do you think remains to rid the team of this miscreant and get something in return?
In a way, we are in a similar situation with Clements, the difference being that Nate is a very good football player and DOES have value.
You think that people are bitching now? What happens if TD loses TH AND NC and gets zero in return? Would you think that this is OK and continue to defend him?
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Based strictly on what I know was being discussed (not what was being speculated here) the answer is 'no, I don't think he screwed up a little...or at all...in regards to Henry. Other things...yes. Henry? No.'
I've said this before, and while I know it sounds ethereal to many people, the bottom line is that the most successful negotiators operate on a few basic points:
(1) Get only the deal that makes sense for you. Do business on your own terms.
(2) Know your final offer, and live with it.
(3) If you can not get what you want, be prepared to walk away.
TD needed a few things to happen for him to unload TH, but the bottom line is we didn't HAVE to get rid of him simply to move up in a draft that clearly sucked. I find it hard to believe that TD's whole draft strategy was to unload TH so he could get Baas or some other player. He probably went into the draft thinking...let's just use the picks we have and if an opportunity presents itself, fine.
Thank you for a well thought response.
The only thing I can add is that by your very terms, at some point it is VERY possible that TD will simply be forced to cut him and get zero in return.
Would you agree on this?
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Nice selective reading, Mick. What I said was that it could be used "as one example of why TD was unable to trade him." In other words, he didn't help either his cause or TD's. But to blame TD for being stubborn, or overvaluing Henry, or flat out screwing this up is simply indicative of people who have the negotiating skills of a Dion Sanders Hotdog Maker.
LA, I fully agree that Travis hurt the cause, but dont you think it is in some way possible that TD also screwed up just a little?
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give me a break
We're not talking a deranged mental patient but a freaking brat. Yes, said brat was wrong to kick the assistant principal and she probably needs some help but three cops bending her over and handcuffing her?
Debbie, dont you know that it often takes more people to NOT hurt a prisoner than it does to hurt one?
Really Deb.
PS: The link doesn't work.
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You DO realize that you are conversing with someone who calls himself "Tossy McSalad," right?
Certainly one of the top 10 screen names to ever hit TBD.
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And I am sure that Elton is quite happy these days. Let's see how thrilled he is in a few years when it costs him 50 million dollars to get rid of this dude.
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Great stuff Mickey!!!!!
I was not to be out done with my brilliant forecast of NC going to the Redskins!
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Perhaps he could have brought in a cheap stop-gap type player. Looking at the early record, it could only have been an improvement.
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I think Reed is going to be cut late in the pre-season.
Obviously, Moulds and Evans and Parrish are locks.
At first blush, it would seem that Not quite So Fast Freddie's job is in danger because Parrish would fill many of the same roles. But on second thought, my reasoning is that Reed and Aiken are basically the same type of player, and you simply don't need two of them. Aiken is the better blocker and better on special teams and probably has the higher upside at this point in their careers unless Josh makes a ridiculous turnaround. It's possible but unlikely.
A team's #5 receiver rarely sees the field but Freddie somewhat impressed me last year with his play-making ability. As a #5, we don't need another possession guy that does the same things as the #4. Especially with creative offensive thinkers MM, and TC and SW around. So I think Reed and Aiken battle it out against each other and Freddie gets a reprieve for a year to see if he can make plays in a limited role.
Kelly, I fully agree. I think it to be highly unlikely that Reed will make the team, and believe Aiken will stay because of very good special teams play.
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AD, I once heard on ESPN radio that his collarbone is being held together by steel rods, or something of the sort. Have you heard this?
Too bad, because he was exciting to watch with that speed.
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Why would you possibly want Donohoe to have traded Travis last year for a top pick when he could have, or trade him for a 4th - 5th rounder this past weekend, or trade him for anything he can get in the future? Please tell me why you would be happy with this? The player he is going to draft for TH will be just as stupid, we won't need, will not be Jonathan Ogden, will have no chance to make it in the NFL and is destined to be a bust anyway, making our team even worse than it is now. Right?
This played out pretty much as TD said it would. He and the brass put a value and a worth as they see it on Henry, and wanted something of equal value for him. No one came close to it, for the myriad of reasons already discussed, and now he's our back-up this year until someone makes an offer for what he is worth. Nothing really has changed.
TD should have traded Travis last season when he had any value at all.
Imo, saying this is not akin to "bashing" TD. It is also not to say that I could do a better job, which is of course ridiculous.
In terms of player decisions, I think almost every move TD has made was good. His drafts were at least average, perhaps better (and I do NOT count 05). He has done good things with the cap, and most of his free agent signings were superb.
Unlike many, I am not ready to declare JP a smashing success, so the jury is still out on this major move.
In summary, I think that TD is a class act and a fine GM, especially when taking into account that RW has a lot less money to spend than Snyder, Allen, blank, etc.
No, my problem is not with TD.
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Depth, and good depth are 2 different things. Henry started 4 games in 04 and the Bills were 0-4.
We always knew that 2 seasons ago he was a good runner. Now we also know that there is little to no interest in Travis around the league. Coincidence? Is this what you think?
Even if he WAS worth keeping, dont you think that there is a lot of bad blood between TH, his agent and the Bills?
Sometimes ties just need to be cut.
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Well, my thought in posting this was to note that other organizations seem to think ahead, and get some success out of that. NE (and PHI) have done so for several years.
Sad to say and in contrast to some years ago, the Bill's organization is not a top competitor in the marketplace. It's not sufficient to be parochial and to not take a look (and emulate) superior businesses. Obviously, personnel choices can fail - nature of the business, but the idea is to have a number of possibilities on deck - things like player substitutions in a game when you are up big time helps.
A while back, I looked at the number of linemen the Bills have drafted through the last 10 years, and their draft position. Nothing exact, but my impression was not favorable. Yes, in these FA days it can be here today gone in 3 years, but there is benefit in continually acquiring and developing linemen. If they leave, they leave, but don't stop the process. It's called building a bench. It's nail-biting time when a starter goes down with the Bills these days.
And please don't reply with "you're no fan" or some such.
You're no fan!
JKYou are totally right! In the last 10 years, they have drafted all of 2 offensive limemen in round 1, Ruben Brown and Big Mike.
I believe that Ruben was pick #14, kinda high for a guard. Ruben, imo, was a smashing success. He was done at the end, but so what? For years he was a very solid player.
MW, drafted at #4 has imo been a dismal failure when comparing his play to his salary. We are all wishing that he earn his money. Maybe he will, but when?
The rest of our OL draftees (other than Jennings, a 3rd) were late round picks as I recall who have contributed little to nothing. Examples would be Nails, Spriggs, Pucillo, and Sobieski.
On the defensive side, it is differert. The Bills took Flowers in round 1, and Wiley, Kelsay, Schobel and Denney in round 2. All DEs mind you, but imo they are way harder to find than DTs, because many are playing forward in the NBA.
In summary, the Bills need to do a WAY better job at allocating resources to the OL, and drafting good blockers.
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If the Eagles were to deal Tre Thomas to the Bills, I doubt that they would even accept a 1st round pick along with Travis Henry. Teams just dont trade solid LTs.
Think about it.....they are winning a ton of games, and you just cant do so without a high quality LT. You just dont see teams trading away these guys...... it doesn't happen.
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TD should hold out for Simon, Mitchell, and a 1st round pick in 06.
Why settle for just Simon?
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To paraphrase Mother from Psycho III: "Norman, get down there and run the hotel. What do you expect us to live on, HOPE?"
Yeah, I'm hoping they do well this year. Hoping against hope. But the signs are there that they could really struggle this year. At what point are we forced to start all over again, wipe the slate clean and move forward?
Not yet imo. There are still some players in Buffalo that I am thrilled to have on the team. He ya go (not in order)
1) Spikes
2) Milloy
3) Big Sam
4) Vincent
5) Fletcher
6) MaGahee
7) Villarial
8) Evans
9) Schobel
10) Kelsay (OK, maybe a reach, but he has nothing but upside)
11) Moorman
13) MaGee
14) Clements
There is also a ton of talent on STs. This is a very strong nucleus and they appear to be well coached.
I hate saying it, but this season probably depends on an unknown qb. I just hope that if he screws up (a much stronger possibility than most believe), MM will not hesitate too long to pull him.
The Bills, despite a draft that I am not crazy about, do have a chance to be a very good team this year.
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Joe, not to get you more depressed, but we need to wait and see if JP is in fact an improvement over Drew; and if so, will it happen in his first season?
The good news is in terms of improvement is that the NFC is starting to come around, or so it seems. The NFC East is looking stronger, as is the NFC Central.
I for one see no great improvement with the jests nor dolphins, and NE, as great as they are, seem to be in a slight state of decline at the very least.
All we can do is hope.
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Congrats! I hope you will be watching lots of Ws.
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