Bill from NYC

Get yourself together and grow up. Seriously.

crayonz is a very funny poster. All of his stuff is tongue in cheek and just a few steps below hogboy (the greatest troll ever) in terms of quality. His best work involves inter-divisional wins. My daughter once called me about this lol. That said, he is a BIG TIME Losman fan. He is one of a few who cannot get over JP. I only hope that we face him JP this season. He is an awful qb. Simply awful and even way worse that Trent.

This was a very good post. I suppose the answer to your question depends upon what one as a fan wants. PM is the only QB I have ever seen who could carry a football team to the extent that he did. Do you disagree? And, you wisely pointed out salary cap implications. They HAVE to take their toll in such circumstances. The OP, in his eternal quest for a "consensus" on a football message board (what he means is that everyone must agree with his rather pedestrian views), calls Manning a "money grubber." This is, imo, a ridiculous tangent he is running with. PM won the Colts a superbowl with a good, not great team. He got them back, well into his thirties, with an average team. Your question about whether it is the right move to build around a quarterback rates a seperate thread. We probably will not reach a "consensus," but I think it would bring out some great dialogue.

Agreed, and I want to float a premise out there..... I make the case that Aaron Schobel was not THAT far behind Freeney. I do this btw without looking up stats. Very often Manning would put up huge points early, and Freeney, a very fast player, could pin his ears back and go for the sack. My point? Manning had a huge impact on the Colts defense too. I could easily be wrong but when the Colts won the Superbowl, I didn't think they were THAT good. Just a perfectly constructed dome team, with an all time great at QB. The year that they lost to N.O., I thought they were average. Manning had perhaps his best season to get them to the SB. The man (who I hope never risks his health and plays again) made as much as a difference, I think more, than any 1 player ever made to a team. Polian built around this and won big time. I'm with you.....Kudos to Polian! One of their many faults was that they tried to build a team as if the Bills too play in a dome. They do not. They play in the elements as do 2 of their divisional opponents. And, they stunk up draft after draft, as well as free agent signings. Polian has a proven record of winning. It's beyond dispute. Jauron can't get a job as a head coach, and Levy all but destroyed this team as GM. No comparison.

Careful, he might hang himself on the mere premise of being slighted by someone as all knowing as you.

There are so many ways to go with this..... 1) The Bills have never been in a situation where they have a top 5 all time qb on their team who ate up such a huge chunk of the payroll, let alone in a salary cap era. 2) For the record, the year before they drafted manning, they too Tarik Glenn (LT) and Adam Meadows (RT) in rounds 1 and 2. 3) Polian (no, I don't have a link) admitted that he was either missing on picks and/or neglecting the OL of late. 4) The Colts are a dome team. Their defense was small and fast. A player such as Freeney could pin his ears back and go for the sack because Manning would pile up points and make teams have to pass. Manning made that team. It's been obvious for a while. In other words, Polian isn't the problem. He built his team according to circumstance, and probably whiffed a few times along the way. He is a winner, and built great teams wherever he went. He has a line of people who worked under him that were successful. Think about Polian, then give some thought to Levy/Jauron.

Bravo!!!!!

These are the positions that would make us a better football team. Sprinkle in some bargains at other positions (hopefully from the Crimson Tide), and we would (imo) immediately have a very good football team. GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK.....when do you project Nico Johnson and Donta Hightower from Alabama to go?

You left out the fact that Cincy has what is probably a better than average offensive line. You will hate hearing this, but we agree 100% on the above. Go ahead and edit.

Same here. I am guessing family issues and I wish him well.

I agree. QBs get crazy contracts. Here is a prime example: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2951390 They need to lock up Fitz for a few years.

There is every reason to believe that Gailey has a great offensive mind. And, he seems to be an absolutely perfect fit for this team.

You answered your own question.

It isn't at face value I suppose. And the Bills can't afford to trade a RB right now so the post was a moot point. But it WOULD be idiotic to believe that any team out there would give up a second round pick for Spiller, or so I think.

Others will support each and every dumb move this team has ever made, even if it makes certain that the team will suck. Wouldn't ya say?

Astro, I would be all about the BPA from the OT and OLB positions. And as much as I like our DTs, I hope that they draft another good one. Also, another good ILB should be easy to come by in this draft.

I am inclined to agree. A case could be made that taking all into consideration, KW was the best draft pick (in terms of being a steal) made by the Bills in more than a decade. SJ would enter into the conversation but it is harder to get big guys imo. I hope that they continue to draft linemen who can play on both sides of the line, along with a OLB who can provide pressure. If and when they do, the Buffalo Bills will be very serious contenders.

But ya know GG, he drops passes and he is old, let alone crazy. My inclination is to pass.

I don't understand this trade KD. And, it might not go over to well in the locker room. Campbell has been holding players only meetings (according to SIRIUS Radio) to motivate the team, etc. And, they are currently 3rd in the AFC in points scored. Cincy, if they don't screw it up, can be a great team sooner than later.

It is ok Coach, but he needs to step into throws more than many other qbs. I like his "fastball," but he cannot stand still and throw it the way many qbs can. Please do not take the above to indicate that I think that Fitz is the problem with this team. Far from it. We are both well aware of where I think that the major problems lie. And, anyway you look at it we are an improved football team this season.

I want to address the above. If Evans got open consistently, he would be a hall of fame receiver. He would not have been traded for a late 4th round draft pick. He was a great deep threat, and put up very good numbers when Losman would key only on him. No hard feelings to Lee, but players such as Nelson make his departure far easier to handle. Nelson dosn't get enough time to put up great fantasy numbers, but the kid is clutch and yes.....he gets open.

Overall, I agree with you. But there is room for flexibility. They were on the road, playing in thw wind. If we are to be honest, we are not 4-2 because of our dominating defense. Being up 3 does not seem like a safe scenario, but we have been winning on takeaways. As you said, we will never know what would have happened. I wanted them to run, but I tend to more than most. Gailey has been "right" this season more than Jauron was in all his time here combined. His offensive strategy is great, but I happen to disagree with it in this one instance.

Coach, we can certainly agree to disagree about the call. I must however state that on almost every occasion this season where I was in strong disagreement with Chan this season, HE was proven right. Not this time imo. One of the reasons I feel this way is your last sentence above. Thinking that they will make the superbowl isn't realistic. BUT, playoffs are a possibility imo. I would have liked them to take the safe method, get a lead and fight it out. Besides, who is to say they couldn't have scored on a running play? I don't think that the Giant front 7 is great btw. They are not stacked at the LB position. In any event, we are 4-2 and coming home in 2 weeks. 5-2 would look pretty sweet!

I fully agree with the above. Gailey has done a wonderful job this year with his offensive scheme, and Fitz has done extremely well in implementing it. That said, they were is a spot to take the lead. And, they were on the road in a windy stadium, playing a team with good pass rushing DEs. I am not so angry either, but I do think that Gailey's decisions were too gutsy under the circumstances and cost us the game.