BuffaloRebound

It's all upstairs. Some guys like Brady have the latest Intel processor and some have a Tandy processor.

Hughes with 2 years $15m total left on his deal is worth at least a 2nd rounder maybe more.

They're appeasing their fanbase that they would've taken Darnold if he was available trying to show they did their due diligence on QB's but nobody other than Darnold was worth prematurely ending Eli's career with the Giants.

I don't either, as Giants will want a 1st next year, but they're not getting more than three 1sts if I'm Beane. Giants can take Barkley at 3, win 10 games next year, and try to find Eli's eventual replacement next year with the 23rd pick in the draft. Or they can take Roquan Smith at 12, Derrius Guice at 22, still win 10 games and have the 23rd and 7th pick overall next year.

You have to have your line in the sand on the most you'd give up and that's mine. I'd give up both 2nds this year instead of next years 1. With McCarron and a rookie at QB, winning 8 games would be a small miracle. More likely this is a 5-6 win team probably worse. I'll keep all my picks and go with Jackson or one of the top 4 who slips.

If I'm the Giants, I absolutely want a 1st next year if I pass on a QB this year. If I'm the Bills, three 1st rounders is all I'm giving up. If Giants want next years 1st, which could be a top 5 pick, no way I'm throwing in anything else.

Good way for Giants to justify a trade down to the part of their fan base that wants them to take a QB. 'We would've taken Darnold but he was gone.'

Im not seeing accuracy issues with Allen. The difference between 56.2% and 60% is 1 completion per game. That's 1 checkdown vs a guy trusting his arm and zipping the ball down the field. Guys with accuracy issues don't make the throws he did against Iowa in what gets panned as a bad game for him. I'd go Darnold 1st in this draft because he has the upside to be a top 5 QB and a higher floor than Allen. Allen would be my number 2 because his upside is highest and Rosen and Mayfield have a high bust factor also.

Physically, Josh Freeman was comparable but not as tough and Boller is the only guy you mentioned who comes close to Allen's arm strength but Allen has better touch than Boller did.

Allen may end up being a bust just like any of the other top QB prospects could, but the guys you mentioned couldn't hold a candle to Allen as a draft prospect.

The 60% completion percentage thing is beyond stupid. The difference between Allen's completion percentage and 60% is one drop per game. I counted at least 4 in the Iowa game that were clear drops. One of his Receivers had a TD bounce off his chest. When you have an elite arm and play with WR's who are low D-1 caliber, you're gonna have drops.

I'm not seeing accuracy issues. Most of his throws were tight window throws right on the money against Iowa in a game where if you just look at his completion percentage, you'd think he struggled with accuracy and was throwing the ball all over the place.

http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/09/08/josh-allen-vs-iowa-2017/ Allen had bad stats in this game, but I don't see the accuracy issues everyone is talking about. From what some people on this board have said about him, I'm surprised how good Allen looked against Iowa when his team was clearly over-matched. The majority of his throws were on the money and there's probably only 2-3 QB's currently in the NFL who could make some of those throws. I don't trust Rosen. He could be really good but I'd be happy with Allen at 2. He's a guy you take a chance on. His floor is probably lower than Rosen, but that's what you have McCarron for. Allen has the potential to be the best QB in the game.

If the Giants want something comparable to what the Jets paid, they should've made a trade with the Jets. I'm not giving up more than 12, 22, 53, and 65. If Darnold is available at 2, then maybe I throw in something else.

Dansby's made $67m in his career. I'd hope he's set financially for a few lifetimes. Guy must love football to not be walking away after 14 years to play for $1m. Sign him up.

If we hadn't made the playoffs last year, can't imagine the pressure that would've been placed on one of these rookie QB's to end an 18 year playoff drought.

Supply and demand. A QB who falls to pick 10 is not in high demand. You also had Watson still available at pick 10 so you still had some supply. It's why Cleveland probably got the better deal at 12, since only one of them was left.

Certainty helps the Giants too. If there's 2 or 3 teams with different deals on table, it makes it harder for Giants to have a completely well thought out plan for what they're gonna do with the picks they get. Do the deal now and Giants have 5 weeks to prepare for who exactly they want to pick with all those picks. Yes, you can have contingency plans for different scenarios but there's still value in knowing exactly what your picks are gonna be 5 weeks out instead of 1 day.

If I'm the Giants, I insist on next years 1st if I'm passing on a QB this year. 12, 22, and next years 1st should get it done, unless Jets are so desperate they'd give up next years 1st to move up a spot.

I don't think we'll have to pay a giant premium to trade up to #2. It's in the Giants interest as well to not let the Jets get the 2nd best QB.

If next years 1st rounder is included, all I'm giving is the three 1st rounders and keeping the other picks. Next years 1st rounder could easily be a top 5 pick with a rookie and McCarron at QB. I'm sure Beane is smart enough to sell it that way. If we kept Tyrod, it'd be a different story.

Maybe but you have to assume Jets are not completely out of their minds. Desperate, yes. Spending that kind of draft capital on a RB when McCown and Bridgewater are your QB's makes the Watkins trade-up look like a stroke of genius.

Anybody who believes Jets gave up three 2nd rounders for a RB who might not be available at 3 is a fool.

It's looking more and more that Jets are in complete desperation mode. They were all in on Cousins and he took less money from Vikings per the Peter King MMQB article. Giants at 2 basically blocks them from ensuring they get one of their top 2 choices at QB. Trading three 2nd rounders to move up to 3 was a panic move. It will take nothing less than next years 1st rounder to get higher than 3 as Giants will not be helping them out without a pound of flesh. Before McCagnan does that, Jets ownership would be wise to fire him.

Very possible it's now worth less since a team going after a QB just traded a whole lot more draft capital than they received to a team whose not taking a QB. That means less trade capital searching for a QB trade-up.